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Old 07-07-2010, 02:57 PM   #76
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The scary part is that Sinclair said it about the moneyed, self-serving powers of the early 1900s. It came years before even World War I, let alone Black Friday and the Great Depression. Funny how much things stay the same, no matter how much we think they've changed and we've learned better...

Baja, you might like this one too: "Fascism is capitalism plus murder."

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I'll say it again, instead of supporting and backing up the state of AZ for attempting to enforce the law, the fed gov instead sues AZ and claims that they are the only gov entity that has a right to oversee immigration. Wow, the irony is so confounding its literally embarrassing to be a US citizen. Our fed gov totally neglects immigration and then sues the state of AZ for protecting its border because the fed gov refuses to do its job.

I just love the fed gov. Obama, you are a joke.
News flash for those who know nothing: the federal government "claims" that they're the only gov't entity that has a right to oversee immigration... because they're the only gov't entity that has the right to oversee immigration.

Please continue to blame Obama for a problem that's 40+ years old. Your ignorance makes me giggle.
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The scary part is that Sinclair said it about the moneyed, self-serving powers of the early 1900s. It came years before even World War I, let alone Black Friday and the Great Depression. Funny how much things stay the same, no matter how much we think they've changed and we've learned better...

Baja, you might like this one too: "Fascism is capitalism plus murder."

I would say it this way,

"Fascism is capitalism with the curtain pulled back"
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You guys are idiots. Fascism has nothing to do with capitalism, in as much as it is even a defined economic philosophy to begin with (which it isn't).
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Old 07-07-2010, 03:40 PM   #80
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You guys are idiots. Fascism has nothing to do with capitalism, in as much as it is even a defined economic philosophy to begin with (which it isn't).
Never mind, it was just me & Baja riffing off each other. [shrug] It was pretty incidental to the thread, and I don't want to derail it any further.
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Old 07-07-2010, 06:46 PM   #81
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What's the problem with asking people to properly identify themselves? I thought illegal immigrants were...eh, "Illegal"? If you can't prove your an American cititzen...see ya!
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What's the problem with asking people to properly identify themselves? I thought illegal immigrants were...eh, "Illegal"? If you can't prove your an American cititzen...see ya!
Arresting legal citizens for not having a birth certificate on them is a problem. Pulling people over on fake charges (like going 1-2 MPH over the speed limit) because they "look" illegal is a problem.

But continue to oversimplify the issue. It's much easier. See ya!
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Old 07-07-2010, 07:44 PM   #83
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What's the problem with asking people to properly identify themselves? I thought illegal immigrants were...eh, "Illegal"? If you can't prove your an American cititzen...see ya!
That's how it is. It's cut and simple.
All they really need to do is uphold the already existing laws. That's it!
You came in to this country illegally, you are in violation of our laws.
How can it be any difficult to understand!
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That's how it is. It's cut and simple.
All they really need to do is uphold the already existing laws. That's it!
You came in to this country illegally, you are in violation of our laws.
How can it be any difficult to understand!
Do you think a national idenity card that every American must carry just like you must carry your drivers licanse and present when asked for by athorties is a good idea?
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Old 07-07-2010, 08:38 PM   #85
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I'm against police stopping us to ask for our papers.

People who support that are crazy.

You can fix this problem without being stupid.
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Old 07-07-2010, 08:39 PM   #86
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Nope - it would lose the president willing the latino vote. That's exactly why nothing is being done today or has been done for years and years. I imagine that vote is worth some dead americans in the candidates eyes.
I could see it happening because American Latinos support it. Like a total collapse of the Mexican govt and/or military.
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Arresting legal citizens for not having a birth certificate on them is a problem. Pulling people over on fake charges (like going 1-2 MPH over the speed limit) because they "look" illegal is a problem.

But continue to oversimplify the issue. It's much easier. See ya!
You're not going to need to have to have your birth certificate...just a drivers license or Social Security card. The officers only need to verify the SSN and your cool. What's so bad about that?

It's not like they're going to ship them off that very instant...but, if they're found to be "Illegal" they're going to get their "Illegal" asses shipped back to where they come from.

It's the law!
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I'm against police stopping us to ask for our papers.

People who support that are crazy.

You can fix this problem without being stupid.

Most states require you to have a form of identification. That ID is your "papers". If you have one, then this statement is ridiculous.

I really doubt the police in AZ will pull someone over for "looking latino" when half the state is latino. I also think its ridiculous that the state of Arizona is branded as racist for doing what the federal government fails to do...AZ legislators copied and pasted FEDERAL law into the state code...so is the federal law and requirements racist?

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If you drive, and most of you do, you need your papers. If you want to drink or buy alcohol in a public establishment, you need your papers. Fly aircraft? Papers please. Health insurance? Better bring your papers. Employment? Fill out this I-9 and two forms of papers please.
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You're not going to need to have to have your birth certificate...just a drivers license or Social Security card. The officers only need to verify the SSN and your cool. What's so bad about that?

It's not like they're going to ship them off that very instant...but, if they're found to be "Illegal" they're going to get their "Illegal" asses shipped back to where they come from.

It's the law!
And it still allows for profiling of anyone of a certain color. As long as that is a part of it -- even though the law specifically mentions that profiling is against the law, it's not hard to claim someone ran a red light or was going 5 MPH over or made an illegal lane shift -- I'm against it.
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What's the problem with asking people to properly identify themselves? I thought illegal immigrants were...eh, "Illegal"? If you can't prove your an American cititzen...see ya!


Are you aware you can reside and work in the USA legally without being a citizen?

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Are you aware you can reside and work in the USA legally without being a citizen?

On a work VISA that last's only a certain amount of time.
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I'm against police stopping us to ask for our papers.

People who support that are crazy.

You can fix this problem without being stupid.
Well 70 percent of the people voted for it.
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Arresting legal citizens for not having a birth certificate on them is a problem. Pulling people over on fake charges (like going 1-2 MPH over the speed limit) because they "look" illegal is a problem.

But continue to oversimplify the issue. It's much easier. See ya!
over simplify? How about you accusing every officer that they cant be trusted? Why stop with the AZ law and just have no speeding tickets because we cant trust an officer to really pull over a colored folk just driving the speed limit.
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Are you aware that those in the country with a work or student visa (or visiting for vacation) must have on body and ready to show if asked? That law has been around since the 1940s and the paper is the size of about a plane voucher/boarding pass.
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America has spoken (through msnbc no less!):

http://world-news.newsvine.com/_ques...al-immigration
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over simplify? How about you accusing every officer that they cant be trusted? Why stop with the AZ law and just have no speeding tickets because we cant trust an officer to really pull over a colored folk just driving the speed limit.
I never accused anyone of anything. An excellent attempt to pigeonhole me though. As usual, you're incapable of actually having a debate without resorting to shrill nonsense.

So tell me, Johnny, which is more likely? That SOME officers might take a law like this and interpret it their own way, in line with their own political beliefs? Or that NONE OF THEM will, regardless of their personal beliefs?

My problem with this law is that it could infringe on ONE PERSON'S civil rights. And that is NOT an America I want to live in.
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America has spoken (through msnbc no less!):

http://world-news.newsvine.com/_ques...al-immigration
Nothing like an unscientific web poll to make your point. /rolleyes

Let me guess: as a Maverick, you think Palin is competent.
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I never accused anyone of anything. An excellent attempt to pigeonhole me though. As usual, you're incapable of actually having a debate without resorting to shrill nonsense.

So tell me, Johnny, which is more likely? That SOME officers might take a law like this and interpret it their own way, in line with their own political beliefs? Or that NONE OF THEM will, regardless of their personal beliefs?

My problem with this law is that it could infringe on ONE PERSON'S civil rights. And that is NOT an America I want to live in.
So, everyone who doesn't subscribe to your line of thought utters "shrill nonsense". Some of us (based on polls, most of US) expect laws to be enforced, and if a few feelings are hurt in the process, so be it.
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On a work VISA that last's only a certain amount of time.
No, that's not right. You can be a permanent resident without ever becoming a citizen. Perhaps it can be seen as nit picking but when people make sweeping comments along the lines of "if you ain't a citizen, see ya!" the ignorance scares me.
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