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Old 07-06-2010, 11:51 AM   #26
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If the drug lords kill US cops it will prove to be their undoing.
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Watch the **** storm that occurs if they come across. People will be clamoring for intervention.
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Old 07-06-2010, 11:58 AM   #27
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Also they grow somuch in calif im surprised they even need to smuggle anymore.

My area got smart, made it legal, sort of, but now wants to make these crazy taxes. They want shops to pay income tax, a 10 thousand a yr permit fee, and 15% right off the top each month of the gross income. the gross!!!

DO that and you create a huge black market and nothing changes. Ou govt will never learn. You have to make drugs legal, and tax low, get rid of all black markets for it to work.
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Old 07-06-2010, 12:00 PM   #28
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Clearly the depression is hurting all business including the drug business.
the profit margin so high though they will survive just fine. Probably if anything the war is about less money to pay off police and govt. So now they have to fight them more with violence.
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Ummm do you think that all they are bringing in is pot?

What about Coke, Heroin, Speed/Meth, not to mention slave trade, extortion, indentured servitude(sp?).

Legalizing weed won't make it all go away, it would just amplify the issues.
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Little know that the United States trained Mexico's Special Forces in Georgia a couple years ago, and guess what? Most of those guys we trained are now fighting FOR the Cartel. These guys are highly trained with sniper rifles, automatics, and have great communication tools. The police officers on the border are badly outgunned. It's no match.

The President needs to start thinking about sending in Special Forces to snuff out these a-holes and to destroy the tunnels that lead into the United States. We need to get a plan going to erect a full proof wall that spans the border. The drawback is that it costs serious money, but even then, I doubt Americans would have a problem with the costs.
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Old 07-06-2010, 12:15 PM   #31
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Strawman. The law wasn't enacted to deal with this and never has been represented as such.

Taking a pot shot at the 1070 because it doesn't solve the drug cartel problem or cure cancer is kinda cheap, really.
Actually it was the OP who made the first attempt to link the drug cartels to 1070. Subsequent posters are pointing out (in apparent agreement with you) that there is no connection and the Arizona law was enacted for different reasons (illegal immigration; not drug cartels).
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Old 07-06-2010, 12:28 PM   #32
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My area got smart, made it legal, sort of, but now wants to make these crazy taxes. They want shops to pay income tax, a 10 thousand a yr permit fee, and 15% right off the top each month of the gross income. the gross!!!

DO that and you create a huge black market and nothing changes. Ou govt will never learn. You have to make drugs legal, and tax low, get rid of all black markets for it to work.
No I think that's smart. Legalize it and tax the snot out of it. It will generate jobs, hurt the drug lords, reduce spending on border patrols and create income. That's basically what they do with Tobacco and it's still profitable and people aren't selling illegal tobacco at any real substantive level.
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Old 07-06-2010, 12:38 PM   #33
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We just need to boycott anything related to Mexico. Most everyone I know doesn't even visit that ****hole anymore. As far as marijuana goes there is little doubt that Colorado's demand is way down. Everyone and their brother seems to be growing it these days.
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Old 07-06-2010, 02:22 PM   #34
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If our federal government actually does something on this issue, there's a legit chance that the Mexican cartels will start to use terrorism over here in a more visible way.
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Old 07-06-2010, 02:44 PM   #35
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That's basically what they do with Tobacco and it's still profitable and people aren't selling illegal tobacco at any real substantive level.
up here in ontario where the governemnt truely taxes the hell out of things, a pack of smokes is over 10 bucks, but you can get a bag of contraband rollies on the reserve for 20 bucks, one bag is equal to 200 smokes or a carton.

recently they did a study and found that 33% of butts outside the ontario legeslature, and 25% of butts outside the supremem court of canada are contraband native smokes.

thats a substantive level if you ask me.
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Old 07-06-2010, 02:49 PM   #36
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up here in ontario where the governemnt truely taxes the hell out of things, a pack of smokes is over 10 bucks, but you can get a bag of contraband rollies on the reserve for 20 bucks, one bag is equal to 200 smokes or a carton.

recently they did a study and found that 33% of butts outside the ontario legeslature, and 25% of butts outside the supremem court of canada are contraband native smokes.

thats a substantive level if you ask me.
Well, then there's Canada...
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while i do think that legalizing and taxing pot would only cause the cartels to deal more of the other drugs, it is pretty sad to know that people are getting killed over marijuana. but i guess it really has nothing to do with the drug.. they are just units. doesn't matter what it is. still, legalize it.
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I don't think you can treat Pot like Cigarettes-if you Tax it too high, you will just encourage an underground source, one that already has a distribution Network, and Salesmen already in place. Look at Alcohol-even today, there a lot of Stills working in the Southern States, and that thar 'shine is much more potent than the store bought stuff-

Tax it, make it affordable, and then you can control it-after the supply chains dry up then you can raise prices-maybe-
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Defending citizens from foreign nationals is the duty of the Federal government, and is one of the prime reasons we have a national military. Send them in to Arizona. By all means attempt to operate in conjunction with Mexican forces. Perhaps they can set up a kill zone for us to chase them into. Notify, yes I mean notify, the Mexican government that if necessary we will chase members of the cartel into Mexican territory to track and kill them if they are caught trying to kill or harm American police.

This is ridiculous:

"In the neighboring Mexican city of Nogales, attacks on police officers have become commonplace. A deputy police chief in Nogales, Mexico, and his bodyguard were shot dead in March when gunmen in a pickup truck opened fire on them with assault rifles. "

A deputy police chief needs a bodyguard? **** that. Kill them.
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Old 07-06-2010, 05:02 PM   #40
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Legalize MJ and make our border with Mexico - S. Korea/N. Korea 2.0. Get rid of all current illegals who have criminal history.
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Illegal immigrants aren't making people smoke pot.
Shut up dude, you don't know what you're talking about. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW. Pot is inherently evil as are those that grow and sell it.
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Old 07-06-2010, 05:24 PM   #42
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Exactly, if this happens and Obama can grow a pair of balls it would be the worst thing for the cartels to do.

We all but tolerate the drug runners into this country, if we looked at it as a serious problem it would be a much bigger deal to us. Once they start offing our cops it will get real serious. Of course, our El Presidente has to show some cajones.
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Exactly, if this happens and Obama can grow a pair of balls it would be the worst thing for the cartels to do.

We all but tolerate the drug runners into this country, if we looked at it as a serious problem it would be a much bigger deal to us. Once they start offing our cops it will get real serious. Of course, our El Presidente has to show some cajones.
Here's the scary thing. A person with a vendetta toward the drug lords could start a war on the border against the mexican cartals by offing a couple of police officers and making it look like the smugglers did it. We live in fragle times.
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Strawman. The law wasn't enacted to deal with this and never has been represented as such.

Taking a pot shot at the 1070 because it doesn't solve the drug cartel problem or cure cancer is kinda cheap, really.
Strawman? That's the EXACT argument that was made by the OP. It assumes that people are still against 1070 and that it has anything to do with THIS STORY.

Tell it to the guy who posted the story, then asked how anyone can still be against the Arizona law.
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Here's the scary thing. A person with a vendetta toward the drug lords could start a war on the border against the mexican cartals by offing a couple of police officers and making it look like the smugglers did it. We live in fragle times.

I'm gonna go ahead and root for anyone with a vendetta toward the drug lords.
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Here's the scary thing. A person with a vendetta toward the drug lords could start a war on the border against the mexican cartals by offing a couple of police officers and making it look like the smugglers did it. We live in fragle times.
True, but who cares really. Something needs to be done about them anyways and it's clear the Mexican government is either too inept or too corrupt to do it themselves.

I've read books about Mexico being an easy access route for a new wave of terrorism, while they are fiction it does provide some good points. Look how many illegals get across every day with the help of coyotes. With enough money I don't think any of those guides will have a problem sneaking people across carrying weapons.
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I'm gonna go ahead and root for anyone with a vendetta toward the drug lords.
I get you point but we are in a deep recession and fighting two wars, this is extreemly bad timing to take on another war and the ranafications of this border war would be much more realized that the other two. This is close to home and would be devistating, so much so that if I were a terrorist I would consider this a smart move to get a conflict going on the border with the drug cartals.


Dude we got troops pulling 4 and 5 cycles of duty who do you plan on using to fight this third war?

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We just need to boycott anything related to Mexico. Most everyone I know doesn't even visit that ****hole anymore. As far as marijuana goes there is little doubt that Colorado's demand is way down. Everyone and their brother seems to be growing it these days.
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I get you point but we are in a deep recession and fighting two wars, this is extreemly bad timing to take on another war and the ranafications of this border war would be much more realized that the other two. This is close to home and would be devistating, so much so that if I were a terrorist I would consider this a smart move to get a conflict going on the border with the drug cartals.


Dude we got troops pulling 4 and 5 cycles of duty who do you plan on using to fight this third war?
Just pull out of one of the other wars. Think of the savings in fuel!!!!
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We really need to help Mexico out with taking on the cartels. Can't have it both ways.
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