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Old 06-18-2010, 07:40 PM   #1
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http://detnews.com/article/20100617/...#ixzz0rFKAH8Xb

I always thought the owners resisted a longer regular season schedule because the preseason games were all profit, that is, the owners go ticket revenue but didn't have to pay players reg. season money.

Now the owners are pushing for a 18 game reg. season and that can only mean one thing: expanded rosters. Not sure how this will help current players but if the roster expands, so will the cap. In essence, owners seem to be saying "ok" to salary cap expansion.
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I think 16 is perfect. Stop messing with the league damnit! It's fine the way it is!
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Yeah, more games is just ridiculous considering how many injuries there are already.
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Yeah, more games is just ridiculous considering how many injuries there are already.
I'm all for it if they expand the rosters. There's enough good players out there to expand the rosters and add depth. 4 preseason games is too much. I'd love it if the regular season just started two weeks earlier. If they do add two games to the reg season then that means one additional bye week for each team. Basically it's an expanded season which I kinda like.
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I'm all for it if they expand the rosters. There's enough good players out there to expand the rosters and add depth. 4 preseason games is too much. I'd love it if the regular season just started two weeks earlier. If they do add two games to the reg season then that means one additional bye week for each team. Basically it's an expanded season which I kinda like.
But don't you think expanding the rosters degrades the level of competition?
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I'm all for it if they expand the rosters. There's enough good players out there to expand the rosters and add depth. 4 preseason games is too much. I'd love it if the regular season just started two weeks earlier. If they do add two games to the reg season then that means one additional bye week for each team. Basically it's an expanded season which I kinda like.
I agree that is the most likely course of action for the league but will changing two preseason games to regular games really bring in that much more money? They already charge full price for season ticket holders for the pre season games. I guess the TV rights would be a nice chunk of change.

Anyway I hope they do that.
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If they do add two games to the reg season then that means one additional bye week for each team. Basically it's an expanded season which I kinda like.
A 18 game, 20 week season with 2 byes would be awesome. The extra bye week could pave the way for full time Thursday night football.
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No need to expand rosters IMO, what are you talking about all this talent out there? Talent to be a #5 WR? Marcus Nash talent out there?

I've heard the expand to 18 game rumor, as well as adding a NFL Developmental league. Personally, the NFL doesn't really need a NFL Developmental league. Who would watch it, how would it really help?
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Even without 2 extra real games coaches and teams could use IMO at least 5 more players dressed and available on Sundays. This will make it easier for a coaches to sit injured players.

How about 10 extra players on roster, and 5 of those can dress on Sundays. That would add 320 players to the NFL and a lot of jobs for the players union. Then make a rookie salary cap etc etc and throw some bones back to owners.
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Even without 2 extra real games coaches and teams could use IMO at least 5 more players dressed and available on Sundays. This will make it easier for a coaches to sit injured players.

How about 10 extra players on roster, and 5 of those can dress on Sundays. That would add 320 players to the NFL and a lot of jobs for the players union. Then make a rookie salary cap etc etc and throw some bones back to owners.
But adding 320 players to the NFL would make the viewing experience crappier by about 320 knots.
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But adding 320 players to the NFL would make the viewing experience crappier by about 320 knots.
I disagree there are a lot of players coaches wish they didn't have to cut. Young ones you can groom etc etc. Older vets maybe that have a couple yrs still to give get to keep playing rather then being cut to make room for a younger player you can't afford to cut.

Mostly it's about money, not the level of play.
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A 18 game, 20 week season with 2 byes would be awesome.
True, but in that case, I don't want to hear any more about how great the running-back-du-jour is when he gets 1,000 yards for the season. That's barely 56 yards a game. That conversation should just begin with someone who can rack up 1500+ in an 18-game season.

So many records will be so inflated that any year with less than 16 games will be meaningless -- if it isn't already, because of rules changes that alter the nature of the game. Personally, I don't want to hear about season total stats for an 18-game season. Let's talk instead about a runner's average yards per game over the season, or a receiver's touchdown score ratio per catch. That at least comes closer to giving us some decent stats for comparison.
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Coaches always ask to be able to dress more players. The notion there isn't talent out there is joke. Most certainly some really good talent for whatever reason never makes in the NFL. Easily there are 300 good athletes who could play some football in the NFL. Is Walter Payton out there? no probably not but for sure some good bkups and special teamers.

By adding players you could get starters off special teams etc etc, have more specialists, have more depth to groom.

In the end with the added 300 players some of those would improve and become really good players.

I would bet all my money that if you added 300 players that wouldn't normally be in NFL because of roster sizes, that at least a few would become stars.
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Even without 2 extra real games coaches and teams could use IMO at least 5 more players dressed and available on Sundays. This will make it easier for a coaches to sit injured players.

How about 10 extra players on roster, and 5 of those can dress on Sundays. That would add 320 players to the NFL and a lot of jobs for the players union. Then make a rookie salary cap etc etc and throw some bones back to owners.
bad enough we have the jaguars and now you want to add the arena football guys like Marcus Nash to the league. Oh, puhleeeeaze!

Add two games and have them played on the road somewhere as a neutral site. Los Angeles, San Antonio, Birmingham, Toronto and I hear Detroit is looking for some pro football action too.
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Success is defined by dollars. Playing 2 more regular season games = more dollars and blasts open the door for more oversea regular season games which = even more dollars.
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Success is defined by dollars. Playing 2 more regular season games = more dollars and blasts open the door for more oversea regular season games which = even more dollars.
You're right, but my point is that expanding the season could have unforseen consequences. Things are great as they are now, I don't see why people are looking at the NFL and saying "We need to change things".

Except rookie salaries.
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bad enough we have the jaguars and now you want to add the arena football guys like Marcus Nash to the league. Oh, puhleeeeaze!

Add two games and have them played on the road somewhere as a neutral site. Los Angeles, San Antonio, Birmingham, Toronto and I hear Detroit is looking for some pro football action too.
I just don't see it as a big deal. It would only mean a few players as bkups, special teams guys. There are a lot of players that are about the same. Some make some don't based a lot on numbers game. You make it sound like I say expand the number of teams which I didn't say.
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Oh and just so people know coaches in the NFL would love 5 extra players on Sunday. They already have players they can't activate they would like to. The whole notion 5 more active players on Sundays would make the talent get diluted is a joke.

Most of you couldn't pick the pro's from the almost pro's on a field without numbers to tell you who was who.

Bunch of experts on talent we have huh?
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But adding 320 players to the NFL would make the viewing experience crappier by about 320 knots.
How so? The casual fan wouldn't notice the extra players. Could be that a team is inclined to keep a couple extra specialists that they normally wouldn't keep. A Kickoff Specialist to go along with their FG Kicker. Or a truly dedicated return specialist. That extra FB we've been needing for a long time... one deeper in those positions with more frequent injuries.

Then basically it's all of your regular roster competing against another team's regular roster with three or four additional players that may or may not even see the field. So how exactly does that make our viewing experience "Crappier"? I think you're being a little emotional Nancy.
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Think of it this way. It would allow a team like the 2009 Jets to win a couple extra games at the end of the season, win their division and host a Playoff game or two.... or it could allow a team like the Broncos to finish 2-10 instead of 2-8 and have a 8-10 record. The only thing that will be weird about this and it will only last a year or two (for me anyway) is adding up the total games to 18 instead of 16. I always look back at the 14 game season and think, they were weird to play only 14 games a season. 18 seems like a lot.


So with 18 games, is it fair to say that 1200 is the new 1000? As in yards rushing.

4500 is the new 4000? Yards passing.

What will it do to the record books?

I think LT's TD record is safe for a little while, but with 18 games, the single season rushing records and passing records are immediately in the crosshairs. If I had to guess who would break those records, Ray Rice and Drew Brees... but there are a number of players that can battle for those records. AD, Rice, Turner, and then the more obvious ones in Steven Jackson and Chris Johnson. As for QBs, Aaron Rodgers, Schaub, Manning, Rivers, Romo, Brady... it would be year one on this one as QBs generally stay more healthy than RBs and put up more consistent numbers.
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bad enough we have the jaguars and now you want to add the arena football guys like Marcus Nash to the league. Oh, puhleeeeaze!

Add two games and have them played on the road somewhere as a neutral site. Los Angeles, San Antonio, Birmingham, Toronto and I hear Detroit is looking for some pro football action too.
Be careful! You know the jinx.
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As it is, teams everywhere are going to RB by committee because it's too hard to keep one healthy for the whole season. We'll start to see even more injuries when you take a team who has played together less in training camps and make those early games full speed.

Adding more players starts to take away the roster crunch strategies. Currently versatile players occasionally stay over slightly more talented or players with more potential as the roster forces you to pick. That strategy is part of the game. Add 5 more people and you should see that roster crunch almost completely disappear.

NFL is perfect where it's at. It's a good balance. I really hope they don't mess with it.
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16 games is fine the way it is. This is all about money, but I don't think you would see the cap expand. The owners are going to get their money back and reduce the cap. It's too high, and the people that pay in the end are the fans. It's time for a rookie cap to protect vets and the owners should lock them put if the have too.
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