Is Dumervil worth a 65 mil contract?

[bowtown]

Yes or No

[broncswin]

This fence is starting to hurt my bean bag

[Kaylore]

65 million, yes.

40 mil guaranteed, no.

[hambone13]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

65 million, yes.

40 mil guaranteed, no.

This.

[TheReverend]

For anything 5 years or more, absolutely.

[Schism]

Over six years, yes.

As has been said, 40m guaranteed is an awfully large percentage.

[TheReverend]

His production, skill set and impact equate insanely well with Dwight Freeney (same strengths, weaknesses, etc) and 3 years ago in 2007 Freeney signed a 72 million (30 guaranteed) for 6 years.

Dumervil at 65 and 40 is a good deal for both parties when you consider that players are being paid a good chunk more now than they were 3 years ago.

[peacepipe]

Originally Posted by McSchism

Over six years, yes.

As has been said, 40m guaranteed is an awfully large percentage.

Maybe so but he's earned it. Great players are not cheap, everybody seems to want good/great players until it comes time to pay them. you can't have it both ways. You either pay him or move on. He'll get his big contract, it's just a matter of wether he gets it from us or another team.

[hambone13]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

His production, skill set and impact equate insanely well with Dwight Freeney (same strengths, weaknesses, etc) and 3 years ago in 2007 Freeney signed a 72 million (30 guaranteed) for 6 years.

Dumervil at 65 and 40 is a good deal for both parties when you consider that players are being paid a good chunk more now than they were 3 years ago.

It's the proportion of the guaranteed money that I'm not comfortable with. 72/30 even sounds better than 65/40. Just make it incentive laden so if he his certain thresholds he gets his cash anyway.

[Popps]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

His production, skill set and impact equate insanely well with Dwight Freeney (same strengths, weaknesses, etc) and 3 years ago in 2007 Freeney signed a 72 million (30 guaranteed) for 6 years.

I think this is a good way of looking at it.

The other way is just that we can't afford NOT to overpay him, if that's what it takes to keep him.

He's just too rare of a commodity, even if he has weaknesses.

[Taco John]

He deserves the same deal that Dwight Freeney got, IMO.

[elsid13]

He is our only young proven difference maker on defense. So yes he is worth it, even if we overpay him.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by hambone13

It's the proportion of the guaranteed money that I'm not comfortable with. 72/30 even sounds better than 65/40. Just make it incentive laden so if he his certain thresholds he gets his cash anyway.

1. It's not the final number. It's a negotiation point.

2. It's also 3 years later. More money should be expected.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Is Elvis Dumervil worth $65 million?

How do you feel about entrusting Robert Ayers, Jarvis Moss and Darrell Reid to get to the QB on a consistent basis from the OLB position?

They have 10 sacks total between all three of then in their entire career of 9 combined years.....Elvis Dumervil had 10 sacks in the first 6 games of last year.

I'm not sure if all three of them working together would be able to drag Elvis Dumervil's jock across a practice field.

[hambone13]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

1. It's not the final number. It's a negotiation point.

2. It's also 3 years later. More money should be expected.

More guaranteed money? I think if they decided on a higher overall number and come in around 50% guaranteed, I'd be much more comfortable. Almost 2/3 just seems a bit steep.

[montrose]

I obviously hope he's kept around and I certainly won't be upset if he's resigned to that, it's not my money, but I'm not sure he's worth that much on the open market. Still hope he stays.

[Doggcow]

Originally Posted by SouthStndJunkie

Is Elvis Dumervil worth $65 million?

How do you feel about entrusting Robert Ayers, Jarvis Moss and Darrell Reid to get to the QB on a consistent basis from the OLB position?

They have 10 sacks total between all three of then in their entire career of 9 combined years.....Elvis Dumervil had 10 sacks in the first 6 games of last year.

I'm not sure if all three of them working together would be able to drag Elvis Dumervil's jock across a practice field.

Lets be realistic though. Elvis was sacking some of the ****tier teams in the league

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by hambone13

More guaranteed money? I think if they decided on a higher overall number and come in around 50% guaranteed, I'd be much more comfortable. Almost 2/3 just seems a bit steep.

Yeah. Agents keep pushing for more of it guaranteed every year. Is that a high ratio? Sure, so?

[hambone13]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Yeah. Agents keep pushing for more of it guaranteed every year. Is that a high ratio? Sure, so?

So if he was a more complete player it would be easier to swallow. We need to start stopping the run, bottom line. My junk hurts from my fence riding on this topic because I love the guy in general, from a character and sacking potential perspective but he has a hard time getting off the block horizontally against the run. If he's a liability during run plays, I just have a hard time w/ so much guaranteed money. He's a linebacker now and there's 4 of 'em to pay and rotate. I really want them to work something out and for him to feel wanted and financially secure but I'm just not convinced he's "elite" as a LB.

[Vegas_Bronco]

He's worked for peanuts thus far. I'd make all contracts incentive based with guarantees based on incentives - hee heee heee!

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by hambone13

So if he was a more complete player it would be easier to swallow. We need to start stopping the run, bottom line. My junk hurts from my fence riding on this topic because I love the guy in general, from a character and sacking potential perspective but he has a hard time getting off the block horizontally against the run. If he's a liability during run plays, I just have a hard time w/ so much guaranteed money. He's a linebacker now and there's 4 of 'em to pay and rotate. I really want them to work something out and for him to feel wanted and financially secure but I'm just not convinced he's "elite" as a LB.

That's not his job. We have 5 other people who's primary focus is stopping the run. His is getting after the passer, and occasionally hitting coverage and playing the run if he reads run.

[Dedhed]

Pay him. He's our most productive player on either side of the ball, and he's done everything the right way both on and off the field. Including the way he's handled this off-season.

Marshall, Schef, and Cutler were examples of "me first" tools who were shown the door, and we should make Doom the poster boy for how a player can be rewarded for being a team player and a good guy off the field.

Get it done. I'd put a HUGE chunk on the books for next year so the rest of his contract is manageable if the cap comes back.

[FireFly]

No. But we can't lose him. So we have to sign him.

I wouldn't want to commit going into a potential lock out though?

[hambone13]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

That's not his job. We have 5 other people who's primary focus is stopping the run. His is getting after the passer, and occasionally hitting coverage and playing the run if he reads run.

And he is elite at one of those things.

[azbroncfan]

If anyone has acted right to deserve a big contract it would be Dumervil.