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Old 06-11-2010, 02:10 PM   #1
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Raft guide arrested after helping stranded rafter on Clear Creek
By Jason Blevins
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Posted: 06/11/2010 01:12:57 PM MDT
Updated: 06/11/2010 01:14:37 PM MDT


Clear Creek sheriff's deputies on Thursday arrested a rafting guide for swimming to a stranded young rafter who had tumbled from his boat on Clear Creek.

Ryan Daniel Snodgrass, a 28-year-old guide with Arkansas Valley Adventures rafting company, was charged with "obstructing government operations," said Clear Creek Sheriff Don Krueger.

"He was told not to go in the water, and he jumped in and swam over to the victim and jeopardized the rescue operation," said Krueger, noting that his office was deciding whether to file similar charges against another guide who was at the scene just downstream of Kermitts Roadhouse on U.S. 6.

Duke Bradford, owner of Arkansas Valley Adventures, said Snodgrass did the right thing by contacting the 13-year-old Texas girl immediately and not waiting for the county's search and rescue team to assemble ropes, rafts and rescuers.

"When you have someone in sight who has taken a long swim, you need to make contact immediately," said Bradford, a 15-year rafting guide and ski patroller from Summit County. "This is just silly. Ryan Snodgrass acted entirely appropriately. These guys came to the scene late and there was a rescue in progress. They came in and took over an existing rescue. To leave a patient on the side of a river while you get your gear out of the car and set up a rescue system you read about in a book is simply not good policy."

Snodgrass' raft flipped on the runoff-swelled Clear Creek around noon Thursday and the girl swam from the raft. Krueger said the girl was missing for 30 to 45 minutes while Snodgrass searched for her. He said she swam a half mile from the spot where the raft capsized.

Since it had been so long, Krueger said, it was no longer the rafting company's rescue.

"They should involve themselves up to a point. They lost contact. Whether they want to say they were trying to rescue their customer, when they had lost visual contact and had no idea where their customer has been for 30 to 45 minutes, then it becomes our issue."

Bradford said he would expect his guides to do the same thing again. His guides are professionals, he said, trained and certified in swiftwater rescue.

"To jump into water and navigate a river in a swiftwater rescue is common. You get into the river and swim. You have to do it," Branford said. "The fact these guys don't understand that is disturbing. Making contact immediately with your victim is essential. It's not about who is in charge. It's about the safety of a 13-year-old girl. You are doing to do everything in your power to insure the safety of your guest, and if that means in Idaho Springs you get arrested, well I guess we'll just get arrested."
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Old 06-11-2010, 02:15 PM   #2
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This sounds like a sheriff trying to compensate for his lacking manhood.
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Old 06-11-2010, 02:17 PM   #3
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that's a crock of sh*t.

what a jerk.
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Old 06-11-2010, 02:18 PM   #4
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This will end that officer's career.
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Old 06-11-2010, 02:20 PM   #5
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Like the sheriff who arrested the fire chief...
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Old 06-11-2010, 02:23 PM   #6
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This will end that officer's career.
Not likely. I bet the same thing happens to you if you go do the same thing right now. The reason they do this is they don't want others putting their own lives in danger. Yes, I get that guys life probably wasn't in danger. I'm not claiming they are smart, just that they have these policies and the officer was following what he was told to do in that situation.
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BS government red tape, they arent capable of rescuing someone the quick and efficient way, the worker was and he did it. he should be awarded, and i assume in time he will be.
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Wow, a cop a$$hole. Who knew?

Never met an officer that wasn't a complete tool.
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Extremely stupid move by the river guide. There is a reason that you follow rescue procedures and reads like he didn't have the equipment to ensure a proper rescue.
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BS government red tape, they arent capable of rescuing someone the quick and efficient way, the worker was and he did it. he should be awarded, and i assume in time he will be.
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Extremely stupid move by the river guide. There is a reason that you follow rescue procedures and reads like he didn't have the equipment to ensure a proper rescue.
Thats a stupid thing to say.

It sounds like he was well aware of the situation, and he made a decision to act according to what he had been taught.

Brave man. He deserves honor, not derision.
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Not likely. I bet the same thing happens to you if you go do the same thing right now. The reason they do this is they don't want others putting their own lives in danger. Yes, I get that guys life probably wasn't in danger. I'm not claiming they are smart, just that they have these policies and the officer was following what he was told to do in that situation.
Cops have leeway to work with. They use judgment, and it allows the bad ones to excercise their need for power.
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"When you have someone in sight who has taken a long swim, you need to make contact immediately," said Bradford, a 15-year rafting guide and ski patroller from Summit County. "This is just silly. Ryan Snodgrass acted entirely appropriately. These guys came to the scene late and there was a rescue in progress. They came in and took over an existing rescue. To leave a patient on the side of a river while you get your gear out of the car and set up a rescue system you read about in a book is simply not good policy."

Snodgrass' raft flipped on the runoff-swelled Clear Creek around noon Thursday and the girl swam from the raft. Krueger said the girl was missing for 30 to 45 minutes while Snodgrass searched for her. He said she swam a half mile from the spot where the raft capsized.

Since it had been so long, Krueger said, it was no longer the rafting company's rescue.

"They should involve themselves up to a point. They lost contact. Whether they want to say they were trying to rescue their customer, (what?) when they had lost visual contact and had no idea where their customer has been for 30 to 45 minutes, then it becomes our issue." (oh, so they can get busy organizing themselves while the girl drowns. What a dumb****)

Bradford said he would expect his guides to do the same thing again. His guides are professionals, he said, trained and certified in swiftwater rescue.

"To jump into water and navigate a river in a swiftwater rescue is common. You get into the river and swim. You have to do it," Branford said. "The fact these guys don't understand that is disturbing. Making contact immediately with your victim is essential. It's not about who is in charge. It's about the safety of a 13-year-old girl. You are doing to do everything in your power to insure the safety of your guest, and if that means in Idaho Springs you get arrested, well I guess we'll just get arrested."
I bet the sheriff said something stupid at the scene and the Bradford guy probably called him on it. So what is a sheriff going to do? CYA with a ridiculous charge that makes him look like a dunce. Brilliant.

FTR, I've seen firsthand a group of cops being lazy and stupid when they did a half-assed investigation of a crime. I had to go AROUND them to get a DA to actually investigate, and charges were brought.....with zero help from the PD. They have their protocol and their stereotypes and their rules but like anybody else, they fail at times to do their jobs. This charge that the sheriff brought is ludicrous and makes him look like a complete idiot.
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Thats a stupid thing to say.

It sounds like he was well aware of the situation, and he made a decision to act according to what he had been taught.

Brave man. He deserves honor, not derision.
It reads like the team showed up on sight, and he played hero instead of waiting for the equipment to be set-up. How do you think the rescue team going to responded when they arrive on site and see a guy jumping into the water. They no idea if he trained or not, they have to figure that two potential victims in the water now.

When you have the support is available you don't attempt something by yourself. So instead of waiting those extra minutes to ensure that ropes were in place to protect the victim, he failed to follow basic rescue procedure and now whine about it. He wasn't brave he was stupid and lucky.
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cops are supposed to be "jacks of all trades, master of few" - i'd put more trust in a raft guide doing a water rescue than some cops.
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Not likely. I bet the same thing happens to you if you go do the same thing right now. The reason they do this is they don't want others putting their own lives in danger. Yes, I get that guys life probably wasn't in danger. I'm not claiming they are smart, just that they have these policies and the officer was following what he was told to do in that situation.

Not exactly. The guide is under no obligation to obey those people.
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Extremely stupid move by the river guide. There is a reason that you follow rescue procedures and reads like he didn't have the equipment to ensure a proper rescue.
Not if you actually read the article. This is nothing short of officers trying protect their ego and collect their cash.
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Great job by the guide...some people just have to argue with what is right, no matter how dumb they sound...see a couple posters above...if that was their family member out there and they died because procedures were followed, they would be singing a different tune. It is as simple as that...dont be a dumba$$!
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Props to the guide for thinking of that woman first. He is truly a hero. Funny thing is we can rarely say that about our police anymore.
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