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Old 06-03-2010, 08:51 AM   #1
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Default One story behind Mike Nolan's Denver departure

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on June 3, 2010 11:02 AM ET

Mike Nolan's exit from Denver to Miami to take another defensive coordinator job was one of the more surprising coaching moves of the offseason.

We didn't get much explanation from either side about the mutual parting, but a handful of players told the Denver Post they know when the beginning of the end started for Nolan in Denver.

It was Week Fourteen, and the 8-4 Broncos traveled to Indianapolis. Peyton Manning staked the Colts to a 21-0 lead in three possessions, and coach Josh McDaniels reportedly wasn't pleased with Nolan's run-blitz calls.

"The hostile way McDaniels handled that communication breakdown was not well-received by Nolan," Mike Klis writes.

(I remember the game well. The Broncos cut the lead to 21-16 during the fourth quarter.)

Perhaps Nolan was too accustomed to being the alpha dog after a stint as the 49ers head coach. Still, it's surprising that a coach so used to barking at players wouldn't accept a little in-game tongue-lashing from his boss.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ver-departure/

Here's the DP source.
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...%3A+Broncos%29
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Old 06-03-2010, 09:10 AM   #2
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McDoofus is a cancer.......... Just thought I would get the party started.
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the 'throw it to B-marsh and kick field goals' game......

the coaching staff as a whole sucked that day. too bad, really. Peyton was off that day.
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Peyton was off that day.
Peyton was fine until McD yelled at Nolan to change up the defense, apparently hurting Nolan's feelings in the process. Or at least that's how I like to spin it!
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'Lil Josh sure has done a great job of running off proven, accomplished people and replacing them with injured, faith-based yes men.
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'Lil Josh sure has done a great job of running off proven, accomplished people and replacing them with injured, faith-based yes men.
You can't be serious. If Nolan can't take a little heat from his boss then he needs to go. Anyone who has ever played the game or coached the game has been screamed at once or twice. Heck, I remember coaches yelling and cussing in little league football at the kids! No biggie, it's part of the game.

I like McD's fire. If Nolan can't handle it then he needs to be gone. Josh was a defensive coordinator too once and I'm sure he's had his ass handed to him a time or two from his superiors.
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I seriously doubt the parting of ways was over one sideline incident. There were probably incidents before and after that. One sideline spat isn't going to cause that big of a problem. Blaming Nolan or McD over that little incident for the break up is kind of silly. They could have been doing a lot of behind the scenes fighting.
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Nolan may have deserved to get reamed that day, but holding the Colts to 28 in Indy isn't really that bad.

I thought we lost that game because Indy kept stuffing us on important third and short running plays (and maybe a fourth and short run play).
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McDoofus is a cancer.......... Just thought I would get the party started.
I know you are being sarcastic, and it's his show for sure, but you have to admit that there has to be more than just smoke to the idea that McDaniels has a problem interacting with some people...
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Again, what's all the fuss about? Mike Shanahan fired D.C.s annually and barely it was no big story. Why is it that every McDaniels move has been criticized so highly?
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Again, what's all the fuss about? Mike Shanahan fired D.C.s annually and barely it was no big story. Why is it that every McDaniels move has been criticized so highly?
Simple- Mike Shanahan was the guy who won 2 superbowls, got John elway his rings, finally won titles in Denver, and was allowed to do whatever the **** he wanted.

Josh McDaniels has no such weight to throw around and no such pedigree to back up his moves- he's been in Denver for a year, already traded extremely popular young stars, and run a coach out of town who presided over the single best and most productive unit on the team last year under, once again, questionable circumstances.

Stop comparing future Hall of Fame coach Mike Shanahan to year 2 coach Josh McDaniels. Lets have this convo in 12 years.
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I seriously doubt the parting of ways was over one sideline incident. There were probably incidents before and after that. One sideline spat isn't going to cause that big of a problem. Blaming Nolan or McD over that little incident for the break up is kind of silly. They could have been doing a lot of behind the scenes fighting.
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I think they are implying it started here (or continued as you said), not that this was the straw
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Nolan may have deserved to get reamed that day, but holding the Colts to 28 in Indy isn't really that bad.

I thought we lost that game because Indy kept stuffing us on important third and short running plays (and maybe a fourth and short run play).
21-16 midway through the 4th with 3 Colts turnovers by the D
Josh's stragegy was to kick off and have multiple back to back offensive possesions around and after halftime which the D provided and the O failed to capitlaize on.

After spotting Indy a 21-7 lead the D gave the O the ball at the Denver 46, Denver 37 , 2nd half KO, Indy 37, Denver 43, Indy 24 and the O could only manage 9 points from those 6 offensive possesions

You will never beat Indy scoring only 9 points off 3 Peyton Manning turnovers.

The D did enough that day to bring home a victory
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Nolan may have deserved to get reamed that day, but holding the Colts to 28 in Indy isn't really that bad.

I thought we lost that game because Indy kept stuffing us on important third and short running plays (and maybe a fourth and short run play).
Is that the game mCd kept running the Trap play with Knowshon on 3rd and 1 only to get stuffed every time?

I agree, The D played better after staking 21 points but they ended up going down 7-20 to Philly a couple weeks later to climb back into it but Orton couldn't get it done to finish off the come from behind win.
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Is that the game mCd kept running the Trap play with Knowshon on 3rd and 1 only to get stuffed every time?

I agree, The D played better after staking 21 points but they ended up going down 7-20 to Philly a couple weeks later to climb back into it but Orton couldn't get it done to finish off the come from behind win.
Well, the 25 yard QB keeper didn't help......
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I think they are implying it started here (or continued as you said), not that this was the straw
Yeah, I understand that is what the article was implying. My comment was more towards people who were saying that Nolan can't take being yelled at one time. There's probably a whole lot more to the story.
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Well, the 25 yard QB keeper didn't help......
ill never forget that play.

3rd and 25 to seal the deal.
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Simple- Mike Shanahan was the guy who won 2 superbowls, got John elway his rings, finally won titles in Denver, and was allowed to do whatever the **** he wanted.
This is funny because Shanahan was given full powers over everything before he won his two titles, not after. People keep harping on this like Shanahan had to coddle everyone and then after winning a SB he changed into some kind of tough guy coach since he "proved himself" by winning.

It's a bunch of crap.

Bowlen bought into Shanahan's vision and gave him full power to execute that vision. He made all the changes he wanted, estranging some players and coaches in the process, and then he won two SB's.

He's doing the same thing with McDaniels and frankly everyone in the NFL expects the same thing. This idea that you don't have to listen to your coach if he didn't win a ring, or that you need to make nice with your players and have to make sure everyone feels ok with everything unless you've won a ring is such utter and complete bull****.

You set up your program and find the guys who will tow the line and fit your system. The rest you get rid of. This is the only way to know if he's any good because if it doesn't work, then we know it was the coaching and the system and not because we forced him to water down his methodologies to prevent hurt feelings.

I'd like to point out that coaches screaming at their players and coaches is as old as the game and this idea that he was too mean is complete crap as well. I had coaches that screamed and I had coaches who were soft spoken and both worked for them in different ways.
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Simple- Mike Shanahan was the guy who won 2 superbowls, got John elway his rings, finally won titles in Denver, and was allowed to do whatever the **** he wanted.

Josh McDaniels has no such weight to throw around and no such pedigree to back up his moves- he's been in Denver for a year, already traded extremely popular young stars, and run a coach out of town who presided over the single best and most productive unit on the team last year under, once again, questionable circumstances.

Stop comparing future Hall of Fame coach Mike Shanahan to year 2 coach Josh McDaniels. Lets have this convo in 12 years.
What was Shanny's pedigree before he came back to Denver?
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I think Nolan should have given McD a tonguelashing for wasting his' unit's excellence week after week ESPECIALLY during the Indy game. Nolan shut out Peyton Manning for the rest of the game. Only Marshall almost brought us back in that game. McD's unit was pathetic.
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What was Shanny's pedigree before he came back to Denver?
Well he worked with Barry Switzer in the college ranks, coached at FL and Oak where they won a National Championship. He was with Denver as QB coach then OC. He went to Oakland as an HC where he was at .500 if memory serves. He was asked by Bowlen to come to Denver and be the HC in 93 but he passed because he said he wasn't ready. He went to San Fran and was their OC and won a SB. Then he came back to Denver.

Shanny packed a lot of experience in a short time and had accumulated a lot of knowledge from multiple sources. He was still young when he took the HC job in Denver.

I would feel better about mCd if he would have had more experience and learned on someone elses dime. mCd has only been with one NFL team.

I am sure mCd knows football and is very smart but experience trumps potential in my book. I hope he is a wunderkind and takes the Broncos to the promised land but am still very pessimistic that he can pull it off.
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I think Nolan should have given McD a tonguelashing for wasting his' unit's excellence week after week ESPECIALLY during the Indy game. Nolan shut out Peyton Manning for the rest of the game. Only Marshall almost brought us back in that game. McD's unit was pathetic.
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This is funny because Shanahan was given full powers over everything before he won his two titles, not after. People keep harping on this like Shanahan had to coddle everyone and then after winning a SB he changed into some kind of tough guy coach since he "proved himself" by winning.

It's a bunch of crap.

Bowlen bought into Shanahan's vision and gave him full power to execute that vision. He made all the changes he wanted, estranging some players and coaches in the process, and then he won two SB's.

He's doing the same thing with McDaniels and frankly everyone in the NFL expects the same thing. This idea that you don't have to listen to your coach if he didn't win a ring, or that you need to make nice with your players and have to make sure everyone feels ok with everything unless you've won a ring is such utter and complete bull****.

You set up your program and find the guys who will tow the line and fit your system. The rest you get rid of. This is the only way to know if he's any good because if it doesn't work, then we know it was the coaching and the system and not because we forced him to water down his methodologies to prevent hurt feelings.

I'd like to point out that coaches screaming at their players and coaches is as old as the game and this idea that he was too mean is complete crap as well. I had coaches that screamed and I had coaches who were soft spoken and both worked for them in different ways.
I still think mCd would have been better served to take on another OC gig somewhere else just to pick up a differnet view point.

Bowlen is going to have to give him a good 4-5 years to settle in and get everything implemented considering they lost a year or 2 with Cutler wanting out. Maybe that is time enough for mCd to figure out how to tweak his plans.

Shanny had been on staffs that won National Championships, SB's and another staff that lost the SB. He saw how to win from different angles.

mCd blew the SB for the Pats by not being prepared for the rush or adjusting protection and or play calling to offset the rush. Brady was the human grass stain that day. mCd was a DB coach the year they won his only SB there.

mCd has only seen the NFL through Belly's eyes, Shanny saw it from Switzer's, Reeves, Seiferts, and Al Davis.
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I still think mCd would have been better served to take on another OC gig somewhere else just to pick up a differnet view point.

Bowlen is going to have to give him a good 4-5 years to settle in and get everything implemented considering they lost a year or 2 with Cutler wanting out. Maybe that is time enough for mCd to figure out how to tweak his plans.

Shanny had been on staffs that won National Championships, SB's and another staff that lost the SB. He saw how to win from different angles.

mCd blew the SB for the Pats by not being prepared for the rush or adjusting protection and or play calling to offset the rush.
Brady was the human grass stain that day. mCd was a DB coach the year they won his only SB there.

mCd has only seen the NFL through Belly's eyes, Shanny saw it from Switzer's, Reeves, Seiferts, and Al Davis.
do you even believe the **** you write anymore?
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