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Old 05-28-2010, 09:43 PM   #1
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Default do you consider john elway a gunslinger?

he was not on NFLN top 10 gunslingers. you think he was?
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No, I think he gets that vibe due to arm strength, but he was always very intelligent with the ball.
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Early on, yes. The talent level on the team did not allow him to always make the smart throw. Later on as Denver put the pieces in place around him, he became a better QB.

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Old 05-28-2010, 09:54 PM   #4
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We all were back then, right?

I use to have a wall poster of him in full cowboy gear with two footballs in the holsters where the six-shooters would have been. Stupid list anyway.
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I guess it depends how you define a gunslinger. I've always thought of Elway as a gunslinger. When I think of a gunslinger I think of a guy who attacks down field. Not the dink and dunk passer. The passer who attacks 15 to 25 yards down field. A passer who attacks down field is taking chances.

Seeing that they didn't name him one, I'm wondering what everybody else's definition of a gunslinger is.
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Old 05-28-2010, 10:56 PM   #6
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I do, he worked outside the system he was given mostly to create plays in crunch time, not within the confines of the playbook, what else would he be?
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Old 05-28-2010, 11:03 PM   #7
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John Elway was most definitely a gunslinger.

That is a large reason why we became so enamored with him.

He became more polished and took less chances as he got older and his athletic skills diminished, but for a good portion of his career, he was the very definition of a gunslinger and it made for some very exciting football games.
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John Elway was most definitely a gunslinger.

That is a large reason why we became so enamored with him.

He became more polished and took less chances as he got older and his athletic skills diminished, but for a good portion of his career, he was the very definition of a gunslinger and it made for some very exciting football games.
I'd say that he still took chances later in his career. He just had a lot of talent so all those chances paid off. He made it look easy.
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Old 05-28-2010, 11:39 PM   #9
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I'd say that he still took chances later in his career. He just had a lot of talent so all those chances paid off. He made it look easy.
I'm not saying he still did not take chances, but he did become more polished and he did rely less on his rocket arm and his legs.

He did not have to take as many chances later in his career, which helped him out.

That is not a knock on him....it's a compliment. He evolved as a QB during his career, like he should have.
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Old 05-29-2010, 01:14 AM   #11
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Elway was, at heart, still a gunslinger to the very end.

What about that 80+ yard Touchdown pass to Rod Smith in the Atlanta Superbowl?!?

He sure shot Eugene Robinson down, that is for sure
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Gunslinger or not Elway was the best QB of all time hands down
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I'm not saying he still did not take chances, but he did become more polished and he did rely less on his rocket arm and his legs.

He did not have to take as many chances later in his career, which helped him out.

That is not a knock on him....it's a compliment. He evolved as a QB during his career, like he should have.
Yes, I agree with that in general. But I'd say that he evolved into a better gunslinger, not into a system QB who doesn't sling the ball around. He got a much better system and players that allowed him to sling the ball around much greater with less chances of failure.
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Funny this came up. I saw the same show and figured he would be in the top 5. But Sammy Baugh and Daryl Lamonica made it? By their definition he met all their qualifications except for the fact that he won 2 Super Bowls. Had he only won one like Brett Favre, he would probably made the list. I personally feel he should have made the list, he is the epitomy of the perfect gunslinger like Marino was. I consider Brett Favre a bad gunslinger.
I also feel that since he was a Denver Bronco that was also another strike against him.
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NFL Network should be shut down for keeping Elway off of the Gunslinger and Most Mobile Lists.

It's hard to believe they included Orange Crush in the Top Linebackers list, and Upchurch in the Return Aces list, but excluded Elway from those two lists.
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NFL Network should be shut down for keeping Elway off of the Gunslinger and Most Mobile Lists.

It's hard to believe they included Orange Crush in the Top Linebackers list, and Upchurch in the Return Aces list, but excluded Elway from those two lists.
Didn't they have Marino in the most mobile list?
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Elway was & always was a gunslinger. Mike Shanahan reined him in some due to the system.
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A gunslinger is someone who is not dependent on the design of a play in order to make a play ala Tom Brady,Joe Montana, etc.. Someone who is not afraid to take a chance. Gunslingers offer high rewards,but as always the higher the reward the bigger the risk.
BTW, P. Manning is both intelligent & a gunslinger.
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Old 05-29-2010, 10:45 AM   #21
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Absolutely a gunslinger
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No, I think he gets that vibe due to arm strength, but he was always very intelligent with the ball.
Elway's career QB rating was 79.86.

Last year, Orton's was 86.8.

I'd say Elway was a gunslinger.
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Sometimes he scrambled away from defenders on one side of the field, just to shoot bullets clear across to the other side of the field , to his wide open receivers, to commentators amazement. I'm pretty sure the play was not designed that way. I was amazed myself, he did it twice and looked like the ball was on a frozen rope, that got to the receiver in a hurry.

And No cutler couldnt do that, as it would get pick sixed mid flight.
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Old 05-30-2010, 02:33 AM   #24
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I saw the tail end of that show and was pissed thinking he must have been in the 8-9-10 spot of gunslingers. Now that I know he wasn't even mentioned... that's ABSURD!

Elway is the epitome of gunslinger. Who says a gunslinger has to be stupid like Brett Favre and throw game-ending interceptions!?!
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Old 05-30-2010, 02:46 AM   #25
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He looked and acted more like a gunslinger than he actually was.

Early on he was something of a gunslinger I suppose ... but once Jim Fassel arrived, never again.
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