Mosque built on Ground Zero?... - The Orange Mane

sirhcyennek81 · 05-26-2010, 10:11 AM

Angry relatives of 9/11 victims last night clashed with supporters of a planned mosque near Ground Zero at a raucous community-board hearing in Manhattan.

After four hours of public debate, members of Community Board 1 finally voted 29-1 in support of the project. Nine members abstained, arguing that they wanted to table the issue and vote at a later date.

The board has no official say over whether the estimated $100 million mosque and community center gets built. But the panel's support, or lack of it, is considered important in influencing public opinion.

Holding up photos of loved ones killed in the Twin Towers and carrying signs such as, "Honor 3,000, 9/11 -- No mosque!" opponents of the proposed Cordoba House on Park Place called the plan an insult to the terror-attack victims.

"That is a burial ground," said retired FDNY Deputy Chief Al Santora, referring to the fact that victims' remains were scattered for blocks.

Santora's 23-year-old son, Christopher, was the youngest firefighter to die that day.

"I do have a problem with having a mosque on top of the site where [terrorists] can gloat about what they did," said Santora, with his wife, Maureen, by his side.

About 150 people attended the emotional Greenwich Street meeting, were some shouted down others as they took their turns.

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the head of the Cordoba Institute, which is in charge of the project, insisted that the site would help "bridge the great divide" between Muslims and the rest of America.

"We are Americans, we are Muslim Americans," Rauf said. "Many of us were born in the United States. We have no higher aspirations than to bring up our children in peace and harmony in this country."

But the crowd got ugly when he added, "Freedom of assembly is the right of all Americans."

Amid boos, one woman shouted, "Not at the World Trade Center!"

Rauf's wife, Daisy Khan, followed him to the microphone to pitched the planned community facility as "much needed party space and much needed venue space" for the area.

She was roundly booed.

Some audience members preached tolerance for the Muslim leaders.

Before the meeting, Manhattan Borough President Scott Stringer, a supporter of the mosque, stood in front of the site and said, "What we're rejecting here is outright bigotry and hatred."

Catholic priest Kevin Madigan, of St. Peter's Church, which is about a block away, agreed.

"I think they need to establish a place such as this for people of goodwill from mainline Christian, Jewish and Muslim faiths so we can come together to talk," Madigan said.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...#ixzz0p3Ymk9QA

Rabb · 05-26-2010, 10:13 AM

this should end well

mizzoutigers · 05-26-2010, 10:17 AM

only in America

Dagmar · 05-26-2010, 10:17 AM

jhns · 05-26-2010, 10:17 AM

This is why 9/11 really happened. The muslims where clearing land for a mosque.

Doggcow · 05-26-2010, 10:17 AM

That would piss me off. Even if they are completely unrelated, the underlying implications are just ****ed. Bad Tendency Doctrine should put an end to this... Because we all know how it will end.

OABB · 05-26-2010, 10:17 AM

I don't care if a mosque is around ground zero. A mosque is not a meeting ground for evil. Now if they want to build an alqaeda flight school an terrorist training center I would have a problem.

mizzoutigers · 05-26-2010, 10:19 AM

That place will be vandalized and destroyed

Kaylore · 05-26-2010, 10:20 AM

This is a bad idea. In their attempt to show they don't blame Islam they're going to make the Mosque a point of anger and resentment from it's inception. A good example of a well-meaning idea making the problem worse IMO.

Chris · 05-26-2010, 10:20 AM

Muslim Americans died in 9/11 too. 9/11 was not an act representative of Islam no more than Oklahoma City was an act representative of Christianity. Just because extremist terrorists said it, doesn't mean it is.

Kaylore · 05-26-2010, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mizzoutigers

That place will be vandalized and destroyed

Exactly.

Dagmar · 05-26-2010, 10:22 AM

New York Post - Mosque AT Ground Zero

Most decent news sources - Mosque NEAR Ground Zero.

Kaylore · 05-26-2010, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris

Muslim Americans died in 9/11 too. 9/11 was not an act representative of Islam no more than Oklahoma City was an act representative of Christianity. Just because extremist terrorists said it, doesn't mean it is.

That's not the point.

SonOfLe-loLang · 05-26-2010, 10:23 AM

Someone had the idea of putting a buffalo farm there to show how "wild and free" we are. Always liked this idea.

Mr.Meanie · 05-26-2010, 10:24 AM

Stupid idea, of course it's going to be a touchy issue.

But holy crap some people are ignorant:

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Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

"I do have a problem with having a mosque on top of the site where [terrorists] can gloat about what they did," said Santora, with his wife, Maureen, by his side.

sirhcyennek81 · 05-26-2010, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Meanie

Stupid idea, of course it's going to be a touchy issue.

But holy crap some people are ignorant:

They lost their kid in the WTC. Cut them some slack.

Smiling Assassin27 · 05-26-2010, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

This is a bad idea. In their attempt to show they don't blame Islam they're going to make the Mosque a point of anger and resentment from it's inception. A good example of a well-meaning idea making the problem worse IMO.

Yeah, let's build a National Socialist Party Museum on the site of Auschwitz while we're at it. Or a US Calvary Museum at Wounded Knee. This is divisive and unnecessary. Is it constitutionally protected? Probably. Is it tactless, insensitive, and lacking in vision? You bet. Those who demand that Americans maintain civility, political correctness, and cultural/religious sensitivity toward our Muslim brothers ought to follow their own advice with regard to New Yorkers specifically, and Americans generally.

TheElusiveKyleOrton · 05-26-2010, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by orangeandblueblooded

I don't care if a mosque is around ground zero. A mosque is not a meeting ground for evil. Now if they want to build an alqaeda flight school an terrorist training center I would have a problem.

Exactly.

I know this is going to upset a lot of you who think there should be different rules for "them" and "us," but there's still a freedom of religion in this country. For all of us.

That means putting a mosque wherever the hell they want to put it, assuming the ground is available. Frankly, I find this entire discussion utterly retarded.

Also, I read somewhere that this is 3-4 blocks away from Ground Zero, so at some point we're going to have to ask the question "Where is far away enough?" It's not 4 blocks... how about 4 miles? Is 4 miles too close? 40 miles? 400 miles?

Or should we do what some of these folks seem to want and tell them that they're not allowed to have a religious mosque anywhere on our soil?

Meck77 · 05-26-2010, 10:43 AM

Ground zero was destroyed in the name of Allah. Granted the murderers certainly weren't your average run of the mill muslim but it was done for religious reasons.

MooseGuy. If your father was buried in the pile of ruble you'd feel differently I'm sure.

sirhcyennek81 · 05-26-2010, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ThatOneDenverMooseGuy

Or should we do what some of these folks seem to want and tell them that they're not allowed to have a religious mosque anywhere on our soil?

I dont think they have a problem with a mosque being built. I think they have a problem with where they want to build it. If it bothers the WTC victims families to have a mosque built within a 2-4 block radius of ground zero, move it somewhere else. The building also being called a "party place" is immensely offensive.

It would be like the Japanese buying Pearl Harbor and putting up a "Dec 7, 1941 theme park ride" where the Arizona sits now.

TailgateNut · 05-26-2010, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

I dont think they have a problem with a mosque being built. I think they have a problem with where they want to build it. If it bothers the WTC victims families to have a mosque built within a 2-4 block radius of ground zero, move it somewhere else. The building also being called a "party place" is immensely offensive.

It would be like the Japanese buying Pearl Harbor and putting up a "Dec 7, 1941 theme park ride" where the Arizona sits now.

Let's go to the Vatican and build Pedophelia University.

sirhcyennek81 · 05-26-2010, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TailgateNut

Let's go to the Vatican and build Pedophelia University.

That already exists. Its called Neverland Ranch and Michael Jackson lived there for 20 + years.

TonyR · 05-26-2010, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Meck77

MooseGuy. If your father was buried in the pile of ruble you'd feel differently I'm sure.

If he was buried in a pile of rubles one would assume he was a wealthy Russian...

sirhcyennek81 · 05-26-2010, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyR

If he was buried in a pile of rubles one would assume he was a wealthy Russian...

Depends. If it were in say 1992, a pile of Ruble big enough for a man to be buried in would only equal 23 cents.

Dagmar · 05-26-2010, 10:58 AM

Most people can be very ashamed of themselves for generalizing about all Muslims based on the doings of few. I can hardly imagine how it would be if all British people were compared to Tracey Connelly and Steven Barker (baby killers) wherever they'd go, can you?

If I remember my history correctly, then the first recorded disputes between Christians and Muslims with the bloody crusades between 1095 and 1291, where Catholics slaughtered millions of Muslims in the name of their God.

I'm neither Christian nor Muslim and neither American nor from a Mid-Eastern country, but I reckon that a majority people from both cultures were taught by their mothers that it doesn't matter who starts a fight, but who's mature enough to end it.

Americans are taking a very mature step by not denying Muslims of building a community center, just because it's close to ground zero.

05-26-2010, 10:11 AM	#1
sirhcyennek81 Yes...swooping is bad... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florence, Colorado Posts: 20,668 Adopt-a-Bronco: All of them.	Mosque built on Ground Zero?... Angry relatives of 9/11 victims last night clashed with supporters of a planned mosque near Ground Zero at a raucous community-board hearing in Manhattan. After four hours of public debate, members of Community Board 1 finally voted 29-1 in support of the project. Nine members abstained, arguing that they wanted to table the issue and vote at a later date. The board has no official say over whether the estimated $100 million mosque and community center gets built. But the panel's support, or lack of it, is considered important in influencing public opinion. Holding up photos of loved ones killed in the Twin Towers and carrying signs such as, "Honor 3,000, 9/11 -- No mosque!" opponents of the proposed Cordoba House on Park Place called the plan an insult to the terror-attack victims. "That is a burial ground," said retired FDNY Deputy Chief Al Santora, referring to the fact that victims' remains were scattered for blocks. Santora's 23-year-old son, Christopher, was the youngest firefighter to die that day. "I do have a problem with having a mosque on top of the site where [terrorists] can gloat about what they did," said Santora, with his wife, Maureen, by his side. About 150 people attended the emotional Greenwich Street meeting, were some shouted down others as they took their turns. Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the head of the Cordoba Institute, which is in charge of the project, insisted that the site would help "bridge the great divide" between Muslims and the rest of America. "We are Americans, we are Muslim Americans," Rauf said. "Many of us were born in the United States. We have no higher aspirations than to bring up our children in peace and harmony in this country." But the crowd got ugly when he added, "Freedom of assembly is the right of all Americans." Amid boos, one woman shouted, "Not at the World Trade Center!" Rauf's wife, Daisy Khan, followed him to the microphone to pitched the planned community facility as "much needed party space and much needed venue space" for the area. She was roundly booed. Some audience members preached tolerance for the Muslim leaders. Before the meeting, Manhattan Borough President Scott Stringer, a supporter of the mosque, stood in front of the site and said, "What we're rejecting here is outright bigotry and hatred." Catholic priest Kevin Madigan, of St. Peter's Church, which is about a block away, agreed. "I think they need to establish a place such as this for people of goodwill from mainline Christian, Jewish and Muslim faiths so we can come together to talk," Madigan said. Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...#ixzz0p3Ymk9QA

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05-26-2010, 10:13 AM	#2
Rabb Zombie Slayer Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 5,245 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	this should end well

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mizzoutigers Seasoned Veteran Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 352	only in America

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Dagmar ...there ain't no devil ..there's just God when he's drunk. Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Morrison Posts: 17,132 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tim Tebow

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jhns I'm all up in your face but you still can't C me! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Omaha Posts: 12,405 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	This is why 9/11 really happened. The muslims where clearing land for a mosque.

05-26-2010, 10:17 AM	#6
Doggcow Rebel Laughs At Unbelievers Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 8,298 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	That would piss me off. Even if they are completely unrelated, the underlying implications are just ****ed. Bad Tendency Doctrine should put an end to this... Because we all know how it will end.

05-26-2010, 10:17 AM	#7
OABB Master of Karate aaahaaaaaaaaah Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Los angeles Posts: 7,132 Adopt-a-Bronco: tgnsmyb****	I don't care if a mosque is around ground zero. A mosque is not a meeting ground for evil. Now if they want to build an alqaeda flight school an terrorist training center I would have a problem.

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mizzoutigers Seasoned Veteran Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 352	That place will be vandalized and destroyed

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Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,012 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	This is a bad idea. In their attempt to show they don't blame Islam they're going to make the Mosque a point of anger and resentment from it's inception. A good example of a well-meaning idea making the problem worse IMO.

05-26-2010, 10:20 AM	#10
Chris Millenium Scrooge McDuck Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 7,498 Adopt-a-Bronco: OrlandoFranklin	Muslim Americans died in 9/11 too. 9/11 was not an act representative of Islam no more than Oklahoma City was an act representative of Christianity. Just because extremist terrorists said it, doesn't mean it is.

05-26-2010, 10:22 AM	#12
Dagmar ...there ain't no devil ..there's just God when he's drunk. Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Morrison Posts: 17,132 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tim Tebow	New York Post - Mosque AT Ground Zero Most decent news sources - Mosque NEAR Ground Zero.

05-26-2010, 10:23 AM	#14
SonOfLe-loLang Young Buck Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 13,212 Adopt-a-Bronco: Thunder (RIP)	Someone had the idea of putting a buffalo farm there to show how "wild and free" we are. Always liked this idea.

05-26-2010, 10:43 AM	#19
Meck77 Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 16,308	Ground zero was destroyed in the name of Allah. Granted the murderers certainly weren't your average run of the mill muslim but it was done for religious reasons. MooseGuy. If your father was buried in the pile of ruble you'd feel differently I'm sure.

05-26-2010, 10:58 AM	#25
Dagmar ...there ain't no devil ..there's just God when he's drunk. Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Morrison Posts: 17,132 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tim Tebow	Most people can be very ashamed of themselves for generalizing about all Muslims based on the doings of few. I can hardly imagine how it would be if all British people were compared to Tracey Connelly and Steven Barker (baby killers) wherever they'd go, can you? If I remember my history correctly, then the first recorded disputes between Christians and Muslims with the bloody crusades between 1095 and 1291, where Catholics slaughtered millions of Muslims in the name of their God. I'm neither Christian nor Muslim and neither American nor from a Mid-Eastern country, but I reckon that a majority people from both cultures were taught by their mothers that it doesn't matter who starts a fight, but who's mature enough to end it. Americans are taking a very mature step by not denying Muslims of building a community center, just because it's close to ground zero.