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Old 05-18-2010, 11:06 AM   #1
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Wow, I know Orton is no world beater but Ranked 29th.
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Old 05-18-2010, 11:09 AM   #2
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i think 23rd is a better ranking.... but it still is none too flattering
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Old 05-18-2010, 11:12 AM   #3
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East Coast bias with a stong dash of regurgitatione what he has read elsewhere. Really, now. His writeups tend to be limited in real knowledge and full of crap. A real BS read.,.....
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Old 05-18-2010, 11:16 AM   #4
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I can't tell if he's ranking the entire QB corps for each team or just the starters. He seems to go back and forth from team to team depending on how it will best support his ranking.

When I read #17, it told me all I needed to know about how much time he really put into this:

As for Kolb, he has had three games with significant playing time. He got hammered in relief against Baltimore in 2008 and New Orleans in í09 during his first career start. He looked great against Kansas City in his second start, but thatís the Chiefs. Itís going to be awhile before the jury returns a verdict.

This guy is 10 slots ahead of Orton? C'mon Man.
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Old 05-18-2010, 11:18 AM   #5
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LMAO at that list.
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Old 05-18-2010, 11:25 AM   #6
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A little too low until Tebow and Quinn can show what they got, but it's a fairly respectable list.

Jags too high, Vikings in limbo, Bengals too low, Titans too high, etc
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Sounds about right.
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Old 05-18-2010, 11:33 AM   #8
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Pretty close ranking 4 Orton. Many NFL experts have ranked him as a borderline starter so no surprises with this chatter or McD's heavy activity at QB. Quinn, Tebow and Brandy have great upside so I'm excited.
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That list is garbage. Orton missed one game due to injury and was one game shy of 4,000+ yards, while playing with a busted throwing finger and bum ankle for half the season. Whatever, haters gonna hate.
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Old 05-18-2010, 11:37 AM   #10
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I think he's a few spots too low, but not that many.

Bottom line- Kyle Orton is a below average QB with a below average arm, way below average scrambling ability, and way way below average pocket awareness.
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We are at least on par with:

Sea, Jax, SF, Oak, KC, Mia, Tampa, St. Louis, Philly and Arizona. You could even make the case for Detroit and NYJ considering they have 2nd year guys that may or may not get better.

I don't know, to me this is a really crappy list.
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3802 yards, 62 percent completion ratio, 21TD's/12 Ints, with an 86 rating is good for the 29th best QB situation? Alright then.
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Old 05-18-2010, 11:49 AM   #13
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3802 yards, 62 percent completion ratio, 21TD's/12 Ints, with an 86 rating is good for the 29th best QB situation? Alright then.
stats are way overrated though.

How many of those yards came after the catch? Orton wasn't asked to do much other than hit short slants and comebacks, then watch as the receiver worked his ass off for more yardage.

When the game is on the line, Kyle Orton is about the 25th guy you want taking snaps.
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3802 yards, 62 percent completion ratio, 21TD's/12 Ints, with an 86 rating is good for the 29th best QB situation? Alright then.
Exactly. They are evaluating the team's QB situation not the QB talent. You can't simply divorce the scheme and the coach when you talk about QB production, esp. given the above quoted statistics.

I think that list is pretty bad, save for like the top seven.
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stats are way overrated though.

How many of those yards came after the catch? Orton wasn't asked to do much other than hit short slants and comebacks, then watch as the receiver worked his ass off for more yardage.

When the game is on the line, Kyle Orton is about the 25th guy you want taking snaps.
Then Cutler's the 30th considering how many game-blowing ints he threw last season. Games where if he just takes three sacks and they kick a field goal they probably win. Games like the niners game where if he throws four ints instead of five they probably win. I'd rather take the guy who throws for less yards and less TD's than the guy who puts up gaudy numbers but gives the ball to the opponent non-stop, especially in the fourth quarter and in the redzone.

Turnovers, second only to points (obviously), is the most telling statistic in figuring who is going to win or lose.
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Kyle Orton is going to be 3rd on the depth chart behind a rookie and a 1st round bust by the time the season rolls around, if he is still in Denver at all.

That is all you need to know to tell you that the list is accurate.
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stats are way overrated though.

How many of those yards came after the catch? Orton wasn't asked to do much other than hit short slants and comebacks, then watch as the receiver worked his ass off for more yardage.

When the game is on the line, Kyle Orton is about the 25th guy you want taking snaps.
This is BS. The reason why people think Kyle Orton is only a back up is because of his time in Chicago. He's proven to be capable, he's hardly the worst starting QB in the league and can win if the situation is right. Im not saying he's a world beater or that he's the type of guy who can take over a game, but when the team is running well, he doesn't ruin it with stupidity. People are used to calling him a back up and its stuck.
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stats are way overrated though.

How many of those yards came after the catch? Orton wasn't asked to do much other than hit short slants and comebacks, then watch as the receiver worked his ass off for more yardage.

When the game is on the line, Kyle Orton is about the 25th guy you want taking snaps.
If stats are overrated should we go by winning percentage? How does Orton do there comparably?

The bottom line is the Broncos got well above 29th in QB production last year, and given the competition and a second with this regime, that production should get better.
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Then Cutler's the 30th considering how many game-blowing ints he threw last season. Games where if he just takes three sacks and they kick a field goal they probably win. Games like the niners game where if he throws four ints instead of five they probably win. I'd rather take the guy who throws for less yards and less TD's than the guy who puts up gaudy numbers but gives the ball to the opponent non-stop, especially in the fourth quarter and in the redzone.

Turnovers, second only to points (obviously), is the most telling statistic in figuring who is going to win or lose.
The situations are not similar. Cutler was asked to carry an undermanned and undercoached offense in Chicago, and his ego coupled with inexperienced, untalented receivers, an awful defense missing it's best player, and a horrendous offensive line cost him.

Orton played behind what was the best O-line in the league coming out of 2008, with incredibly talented receivers, a #1 draft pick running back, and an offensively minded coach. Orton was never asked to carry the team.

It's the same reason that Kyle Orton will be a backup this year, and for the remainder of his career, while Cutler will have a bounce back year following an ego crushing experience in 2009.
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The situations are not similar. Cutler was asked to carry an undermanned and undercoached offense in Chicago...
You mean the same situation Orton was in the prior year and won more games?
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That is all you need to know to tell you that the list is accurate.
If you catch yourself writing a sentence like this, you might not only be a moron, but you're probably also a douchebag.
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Another dig on the Broncos. Basically, the writer is saying "McD doesn't have a clue." Orton alone gets the Broncos into the mid to late teens.

Whatever.
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You mean the same situation Orton was in the prior year and won more games?
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Old 05-18-2010, 12:14 PM   #24
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the broncos should be 16 or 17th.....sure orton sucks, but he's no worse than matt stafford, Jay cutler, Hasselback, Garrard, Alex smith, Jason Cambell, Chan Hene, Sand Cassel, Josh freeman, Aj Feeley, or Matt Leinart.

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You mean the same situation Orton was in the prior year and won more games?
Cutler's 8 games were more than Orton's 8 games? If you start saying, it was all the D, it was all Marshall, then start taking games away from Cutler to even it up, ie when he fumbled and lost us the game against SD but the ref screwed the call.
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