Texans Andre Johnson sitting out over contract - The Orange Mane

HEAV · 05-17-2010, 12:18 PM

Andre Johnson missed first ota cause he's unhappy with contract that has five years left. 2 years ago he signed 8 year extension worth 60 mil and 15 in guarantees. 5 years left counting this one.

Brandon Marshall effect?

bowtown · 05-17-2010, 12:23 PM

Too bad we already traded Hillis.

Mr.Meanie · 05-17-2010, 12:24 PM

Johnson is doing it wrong. The only way to truly guarantee yourself a record contract is to act like a jackass in practice and get yourself arrested multiple times.

bronco militia · 05-17-2010, 12:24 PM

5 years left on his contract....GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!

tsiguy96 · 05-17-2010, 12:27 PM

maybe he shouldnt have signed it. this isnt like a late round rookie becoming a star, he signed this knowing full well how long this contract went.

btw, his agent is his uncle.

Beantown Bronco · 05-17-2010, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco militia

5 years left on his contract....GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!

Seriously. If I were an owner, here's my default stance.

One year left? No problem.

Two years left? You better be performing WAAAAAAY above your pay and not be a "Goodell problem".

Three or more years left? You better be the consensus #1 player in the league at any position, have a few SB MVPs under your belt and be a model citizen off the field. In other words, no owner should ever be in a position to entertain this.

5 years.....C'mon man!

crush17 · 05-17-2010, 12:31 PM

Dumb.

Houshyamama · 05-17-2010, 12:38 PM

Maybe he's trying to renegotiate to get more of that to be guaranteed. 15M guaranteed is pretty small yeah? To me it's fairly understandable, I might do the same thing. He's arguably the best WR in the league.

Beantown Bronco · 05-17-2010, 12:42 PM

I can understand guys that perform at an elite level and are stuck with crappy rookie deals because maybe they weren't drafted high, but this guy was the #3 pick overall back in 2003 and collected about $30 mil from his rookie contract. Then the team sits down with him in 2007, 2 years before his rookie deal is up, and signs him to a top WR paygrade extension. He then collects well over $20 mil in salary and bonuses over the next three years with that extension and complains?

It's not like he's clearly outplayed his contract ala Marshall. This guy has been shown the money since day one....and hasn't really put up elite numbers (mostly because of injury) until arguably the last two seasons.

Doggcow · 05-17-2010, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

I can understand guys that perform at an elite level and are stuck with crappy rookie deals because maybe they weren't drafted high, but this guy was the #3 pick overall back in 2003 and collected about $30 mil from his rookie contract. Then the team sits down with him in 2007, 2 years before his rookie deal is up, and signs him to a top WR paygrade extension. He then collects well over $20 mil in salary and bonuses over the next three years with that extension and complains?

It's not like he's clearly outplayed his contract ala Marshall. This guy has been shown the money since day one....and hasn't really put up elite numbers (mostly because of injury) until arguably the last two seasons.

Boom.

Beantown Bronco · 05-17-2010, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Houshyamama

He's arguably the best WR in the league.

He needs to get in the EZ more IMO.

9 TDs is his best over a season and he's only done that once. Considering how much that team throws the ball, that number needs to be higher.

_Oro_ · 05-17-2010, 01:08 PM

This is why we got rid of BM. I can see him doing the same thing as Andre here, in two years time.

Ambiguous · 05-17-2010, 01:17 PM

Lol. His uncle negotiated his current contract so he could save 3% he would pay to an agent.

Ambiguous · 05-17-2010, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by _Oro_

This is why we got rid of BM. I can see him doing the same thing as Andre here, in two years time.

That would be pretty hilarious if the all time highest paid WR did that.

I'm glad that circus is gone personally.

Rabb · 05-17-2010, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by _Oro_

This is why we got rid of BM. I can see him doing the same thing as Andre here, in two years time.

that's just, false

HEAV · 05-17-2010, 01:29 PM

Andre Johnson has five years remaining on a $60 million contract he signed with the Texans in 2007. The star receiver feels that he's already outplayed that contract, however, and was missing from the start of Houston's voluntary organized team activities on Monday.

Johnson, who led the NFL in receiving yards last season (1,569 yards), is scheduled to make $5.8 million this season, according to the Houston Chronicle.

Texans general manager Rick Smith told Houston media outlets on Monday that Johnson was missing because he was unhappy with his current contract.

Since Johnson signed his contract, the Arizona Cardinals' Larry Fitzgerald received a four-year, $40 million deal and new Miami Dolphins receiver Brandon Marshall agreed to a four-year, $47 million contract after he was traded from the Denver Broncos.

Smith told KRIV-TV in Houston that he was "not real worried" about the four-time Pro Bowler's absence.

"He's got five years left on [the deal he signed in 2007]. We're willing to sit down and talk with him and he knows that," Smith told KRIV.

Still, Smith said that re-doing a contract with five years remaining will be challenging.

"It's very difficult," Smith told KRIV. "It's something that's not customary, but we've got a relationship with him and he knows we are willing to sit down and talk with him."

Johnson has 587 receptions for 7,948 yards and 42 touchdowns in seven NFL seasons -- all with Houston.

Kaylore · 05-17-2010, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by HEAV

Andre Johnson missed first ota cause he's unhappy with contract that has five years left. 2 years ago he signed 8 year extension worth 60 mil and 15 in guarantees. 5 years left counting this one.

Brandon Marshall effect?

And Boldin. Both got paid in a year when neither technically had to. I would argue that Johnson is at least as good, if not better, than both and deserves a payout. I don't blame him.

cmhargrove · 05-17-2010, 02:02 PM

Any chance he's just trying to get traded to another team? It worked for a few other receivers lately.

Kaylore · 05-17-2010, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cmhargrove

Any chance he's just trying to get traded to another team? It worked for a few other receivers lately.

With five years left they have to know that's not going to happen - even with no cap hit.

Beantown Bronco · 05-17-2010, 02:23 PM

Obviously, Andre is no math major. Someone finally just told him that he's going to be 33 years old when his current contract expires.

There's a reason you should never sign an 8 year contract in the NFL.

hookemhess · 05-17-2010, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

And Boldin. Both got paid in a year when neither technically had to. I would argue that Johnson is at least as good, if not better, than both and deserves a payout. I don't blame him.

Andre is definitely better than both.

RhymesayersDU · 05-17-2010, 04:33 PM

Andre Johnson is probably the best WR in football. And in general, I don't have a huge problem with something like this because these guys can get cut or get hurt pretty easily.

But IMO it was pretty moronic to sign an 8-year deal in the first place. Such a long time in football. I know that he got some nice guaranteed money because of it, but still... I don't see how any agent in football would even negotiate longer than 5.

Mediator12 · 05-18-2010, 05:42 AM

Johnson is the best WR in football IMHO. However, he does not score TD's like some other WR's. That being said, he signed that deal in good faith and to stay in HOU for a long while. To come back and sit out just 2 years later is no longer a good faith option. It is a change in Philosophy. And to that, Rick Smith should say thanks but no thanks for a couple more years.....

watermock · 05-18-2010, 06:00 AM

5 years left, good luck.

Inmates are running the assylum.

He cried out in 2 years and now wants to cry out in 2 more?

Haynsworth sitting on his as for 100 million?

tsiguy96 · 05-18-2010, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RhymesayersDU

Andre Johnson is probably the best WR in football. And in general, I don't have a huge problem with something like this because these guys can get cut or get hurt pretty easily.

But IMO it was pretty moronic to sign an 8-year deal in the first place. Such a long time in football. I know that he got some nice guaranteed money because of it, but still... I don't see how any agent in football would even negotiate longer than 5.

he doesnt have an agent, he was his own agent with his uncle as his advisor.

id tell him too bad, this **** is ridiculous now. if he got hurt or cut today, he banked something like 35 million from the NFL. boo hoo. he signed the contract, now he can play with it.

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05-17-2010, 12:18 PM	#1
HEAV Ring of Famer It's about the Team Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Ville Posts: 12,077 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brian Dawkins	Texans Andre Johnson sitting out over contract Andre Johnson missed first ota cause he's unhappy with contract that has five years left. 2 years ago he signed 8 year extension worth 60 mil and 15 in guarantees. 5 years left counting this one. Brandon Marshall effect?

05-17-2010, 12:23 PM	#2
bowtown Ring of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 8,283 Adopt-a-Bronco: Aaron Brewer	Too bad we already traded Hillis.

05-17-2010, 12:24 PM	#3
Mr.Meanie Ring of Famer Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,590 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Johnson is doing it wrong. The only way to truly guarantee yourself a record contract is to act like a jackass in practice and get yourself arrested multiple times.

05-17-2010, 12:24 PM	#4
bronco militia Ring of Famer THE GREATEST Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: colorado springs, co Posts: 22,591	5 years left on his contract....GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!

05-17-2010, 12:27 PM	#5
tsiguy96 Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 12,559 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	maybe he shouldnt have signed it. this isnt like a late round rookie becoming a star, he signed this knowing full well how long this contract went. btw, his agent is his uncle.

05-17-2010, 12:31 PM	#7
crush17 orange & blue Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 2,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: DT88	Dumb.

05-17-2010, 12:38 PM	#8
Houshyamama I Make The Weather Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 3,870 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brock Osweiler	Maybe he's trying to renegotiate to get more of that to be guaranteed. 15M guaranteed is pretty small yeah? To me it's fairly understandable, I might do the same thing. He's arguably the best WR in the league.

05-17-2010, 12:42 PM	#9
Beantown Bronco Athletic Supporter Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mass Posts: 19,049 Adopt-a-Bronco: Matt Prater	I can understand guys that perform at an elite level and are stuck with crappy rookie deals because maybe they weren't drafted high, but this guy was the #3 pick overall back in 2003 and collected about $30 mil from his rookie contract. Then the team sits down with him in 2007, 2 years before his rookie deal is up, and signs him to a top WR paygrade extension. He then collects well over $20 mil in salary and bonuses over the next three years with that extension and complains? It's not like he's clearly outplayed his contract ala Marshall. This guy has been shown the money since day one....and hasn't really put up elite numbers (mostly because of injury) until arguably the last two seasons.

05-17-2010, 01:08 PM	#12
_Oro_ Formerly known as Casson *Don't run that sht this way.** Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Montréal Posts: 1,199 Adopt-a-Bronco: - R. Ayers	This is why we got rid of BM. I can see him doing the same thing as Andre here, in two years time.

05-17-2010, 01:17 PM	#13
Ambiguous Ask me about my title Go fsck yourself San Diego. Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Denver Posts: 1,849 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Lol. His uncle negotiated his current contract so he could save 3% he would pay to an agent.

05-17-2010, 01:29 PM	#16
HEAV Ring of Famer It's about the Team Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Ville Posts: 12,077 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brian Dawkins	Andre Johnson has five years remaining on a $60 million contract he signed with the Texans in 2007. The star receiver feels that he's already outplayed that contract, however, and was missing from the start of Houston's voluntary organized team activities on Monday. Johnson, who led the NFL in receiving yards last season (1,569 yards), is scheduled to make $5.8 million this season, according to the Houston Chronicle. Texans general manager Rick Smith told Houston media outlets on Monday that Johnson was missing because he was unhappy with his current contract. Since Johnson signed his contract, the Arizona Cardinals' Larry Fitzgerald received a four-year, $40 million deal and new Miami Dolphins receiver Brandon Marshall agreed to a four-year, $47 million contract after he was traded from the Denver Broncos. Smith told KRIV-TV in Houston that he was "not real worried" about the four-time Pro Bowler's absence. "He's got five years left on [the deal he signed in 2007]. We're willing to sit down and talk with him and he knows that," Smith told KRIV. Still, Smith said that re-doing a contract with five years remaining will be challenging. "It's very difficult," Smith told KRIV. "It's something that's not customary, but we've got a relationship with him and he knows we are willing to sit down and talk with him." Johnson has 587 receptions for 7,948 yards and 42 touchdowns in seven NFL seasons -- all with Houston.

05-17-2010, 02:02 PM	#18
cmhargrove Is this thing on??? Travis Henry's love child... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 6,411 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	Any chance he's just trying to get traded to another team? It worked for a few other receivers lately.

05-17-2010, 02:23 PM	#20
Beantown Bronco Athletic Supporter Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mass Posts: 19,049 Adopt-a-Bronco: Matt Prater	Obviously, Andre is no math major. Someone finally just told him that he's going to be 33 years old when his current contract expires. There's a reason you should never sign an 8 year contract in the NFL.

05-17-2010, 04:33 PM	#22
RhymesayersDU Go Broncos, Nuggets, Rox GANGNAM STYLE Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Back In The 303! Posts: 14,815 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ty Lawson	Andre Johnson is probably the best WR in football. And in general, I don't have a huge problem with something like this because these guys can get cut or get hurt pretty easily. But IMO it was pretty moronic to sign an 8-year deal in the first place. Such a long time in football. I know that he got some nice guaranteed money because of it, but still... I don't see how any agent in football would even negotiate longer than 5.

05-18-2010, 05:42 AM	#23
Mediator12 OM analyst REAL Front Seven Bandwagon !!! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: INDY Posts: 9,701 Adopt-a-Bronco: Malik Jackson	Johnson is the best WR in football IMHO. However, he does not score TD's like some other WR's. That being said, he signed that deal in good faith and to stay in HOU for a long while. To come back and sit out just 2 years later is no longer a good faith option. It is a change in Philosophy. And to that, Rick Smith should say thanks but no thanks for a couple more years.....

05-18-2010, 06:00 AM	#24
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	5 years left, good luck. Inmates are running the assylum. He cried out in 2 years and now wants to cry out in 2 more? Haynsworth sitting on his as for 100 million?