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View Poll Results: Which College is the pipeline to the NFL?
USC 8 40.00%
UM 8 40.00%
Other College 2 10.00%
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Old 05-14-2010, 09:35 AM   #1
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Default Fun debate: USC Vs. UM

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5178139.

Which college is the pipeline for the NFL?

Its tough to argue with Ronnie Lott, Marcus Allen, Bruce Mathews, Antony Munoz, Troy Polamalu, Junior Seau. But UM holds its own.

Just the 2001 UM team consisted of: RB: Clinton Portis, Frank Gore, Nadje Davenport, Willis McGahee. WR: Wayne, Andre Johnson. TE: Jeremy Shockey, Kellen Winslow Jr. DL: Jerome McDougle, Vince Wilfork, William Joseph. LBs: John Vilma, D.J. Williams. Saftey: Ed Reid, Sean Taylor

Then you have UM players in other years: Ray Lewis, Cortez Kenedy, Jim Kelly, Warren Sapp, Michael Irvin.

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That 2001 UM class was quite possibly the best collection of sheer talent in the last 30 years. Don't forget Bryant McKinnie. And Denver? We went for an injured, unrefined WR whose sole talent was running really fast in a straight line, then running really fast out of denver.

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USC is the pipeline for players who are drafted high, UM is the pipeline for players who do well.
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From March 2009
Last month, USC cornerback Cary Harris leaned back in a chair at the NFL’s scouting combine in Indianapolis and craned his neck to see Rey Maualuga doing an impromptu interview. Somewhere across the room, the Trojans’ other star linebackers – Brian Cushing and Clay Matthews – were shuttling between seats, trading handshakes and smiles with NFL executives.


Four years earlier, this was exactly what Harris envisioned when he chose USC: musical chairs with the New England Patriots’ Bill Belichick and New York Giants’ Tom Coughlin. Maybe a breakfast with Bill Parcells squeezed in between. If USC is truly one of the league’s prime football factories – and it undoubtedly is – then Belichick, Coughlin and Parcells are the prime benefactors, waiting at the end of an NFL draft assembly line with arms and checkbooks wide open.


“This is what you expect,” Harris said, whirling back around after listening to Maualuga answer a few questions. In 2005, Harris was a high-school All American who could have gone to any school in the country. He settled on USC, with an eye on this February day when he’d be doing meet-and-greets with coaching royalty. “You know they have that [pipeline] to the NFL. This is where you dream of being. That’s what the goal is. [USC] has put a lot of guys there.”


To be more precise, USC has had 56 players selected in the NFL draft in the last 10 years – 13 of those going in the first round. And that number has ballooned of late, with the last three years touting an average of almost nine USC players a season getting plucked by NFL teams. It likely won’t disappoint this season, either. Twelve Trojans were invited to the combine, and at least 10 of those players are expected to be taken in the draft. Quarterback Mark Sanchez, Maualuga, Cushing and Matthews are all expected to be first-round picks, while Harris is hoping to creep into the second round.


With an eye on this moment, he clearly chose wisely. Despite many of its latest draft picks struggling to carve out stardom on the pro level, the Trojans have established themselves as one of college football’s most effective trampolines to the NFL. But they are hardly the only one.


With that in mind, here are the top 10 college football factories, and some of their raw NFL placement numbers
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I wonder what the numbers would be if you compared HOFers from the two schools? I'm too lazy to do it myself.
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Old 05-14-2010, 01:40 PM   #6
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I was thinking it was Michigan and not Duh U before I opened it.

OK - Gamecocks v. Wolverines?
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USC by far but it doesnt always equate to success. Mike Williams has failed (so far as he gets another chance) as did RJ Soward for the Jags. It will always be spotlighted when your team is Top 5 and you run a NFL type offense. You will get your Palmers and Bushs but be left with underachievers.
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I wonder what the numbers would be if you compared HOFers from the two schools? I'm too lazy to do it myself.
Southern California (11)
Notre Dame (10)
Michigan (8)
Alabama (7)
Ohio State (7)
Syracuse (7)
Illinois (6)
Minnesota (6)
Oregon (6)
Pittsburgh (6)


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USC sure got dumped on in this year's draft if you compare when their players were expected to go and when they actually were picked. Miami hasn't really been stellar at turning out pros the past few years either.

I wouldn't use Hall of Famers as a fair comparison because Miami's football program was pathetic until the 1980s. USC has been a powerhouse since the early 1960s.
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That 2001 UM class was quite possibly the best collection of sheer talent in the last 30 years. Don't forget Bryant McKinnie. And Denver? We went for an injured, unrefined WR whose sole talent was running really fast in a straight line, then running really fast out of denver.

*mutters some cuss words about ed reed*
Let's not even talk about it
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Ohio State.
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one of these things is not like the others...Illinois (6)... heres to the early 1900's with red grange, then Nitschke then Butkis. couldn't name the other 3.
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Miami. Not really a discussion.
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USC has been a powerhouse since the early 1960s.
Wut? This is a big time head scrattcher & one of the dumbest non-Mock posts ever......
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I think it kinda shifts around. No question Miami was in the 90's.....and USC was in the 2000s......but i think that will shift again to another school now that carrol and others are gone.

Success in college brings in the best players year after year. It kind of reminds me of MLB in a way....no sallary cap......the yankees, redsox, etc get the top tier players year after year while teams like KC, pit, etc finish at the bottom every year.

basically its the same 12 teams winning over and over

1946
Notre Dame
8-0-1
No bowl
Frank Leahy
1947
Notre Dame
9-0-0
No bowl
Frank Leahy

Michigan*
10-0-0
Won Rose
Fritz Crisler
1948
Michigan
9-0-0
No bowl
Bennie Oosterbaan
1949
Notre Dame
10-0-0
No bowl
Frank Leahy
1950
Oklahoma
10-1-0
Lost Sugar
Bud Wilkinson
1951
Tennessee
10-1-0
Lost Sugar
Bob Neyland
1952
Michigan State
9-0-0
No bowl
Biggie Munn
1953
Maryland
10-1-0
Lost Orange
Jim Tatum
1954
Ohio State
10-0-0
Won Rose
Woody Hayes

UCLA (UPI)
9-0-0
No bowl
Red Sanders
1955
Oklahoma
11-0-0
Won Orange
Bud Wilkinson
1956
Oklahoma
10-0-0
No bowl
Bud Wilkinson
1957
Auburn
10-0-0
No bowl
Shug Jordan

Ohio State (UPI)
9-1-0
Won Rose
Woody Hayes
1958
LSU
11-0-0
Won Sugar
Paul Dietzel
1959
Syracuse
11-0-0
Won Cotton
Ben Schwartzwalder
1960
Minnesota
8-2-0
Lost Rose
Murray Warmath
1961
Alabama
11-0-0
Won Sugar
Bear Bryant
1962
USC
11-0-0
Won Rose
John McKay
1963
Texas
11-0-0
Won Cotton
Darrell Royal
1964
Alabama
10-1-0
Lost Orange
Bear Bryant
1965
Alabama
9-1-1
Won Orange
Bear Bryant

Michigan State (UPI)
10-1-0
Lost Rose
Duffy Daugherty
1966
Notre Dame
9-0-1
No bowl
Ara Parseghian
1967
USC
10-1-0
Won Rose
John McKay
1968
Ohio State
10-0-0
Won Rose
Woody Hayes
1969
Texas
11-0-0
Won Cotton
Darrell Royal
1970
Nebraska
11-0-1
Won Orange
Bob Devaney

Texas (UPI)
10-1-0
Lost Cotton
Darrell Royal
1971
Nebraska
13-0-0
Won Orange
Bob Devaney
1972
USC
12-0-0
Won Rose
John McKay
1973
Notre Dame
11-0-0
Won Sugar
Ara Parseghian

Alabama (UPI)
11-1-0
Lost Sugar
Bear Bryant
1974
Oklahoma
11-0-0
No bowl
Barry Switzer

USC (UPI)
10-1-1
Won Rose
John McKay
1975
Oklahoma
11-1-0
Won Orange
Barry Switzer
1976
Pittsburgh
12-0-0
Won Sugar
Johnny Majors
1977
Notre Dame
11-1-0
Won Cotton
Dan Devine
1978
Alabama
11-1-0
Won Sugar
Bear Bryant

USC (UPI)
12-1-0
Won Rose
John Robinson
1979
Alabama
12-0-0
Won Sugar
Bear Bryant
1980
Georgia
12-0-0
Won Sugar
Vince Dooley
1981
Clemson
12-0-0
Won Orange
Danny Ford
1982
Penn State
11-1-0
Won Sugar
Joe Paterno
1983
Miami (FL)
11-1-0
Won Orange
Howard Schnellenberger
1984
BYU
13-0-0
Won Holiday
LaVell Edwards
1985
Oklahoma
11-1-0
Won Orange
Barry Switzer
1986
Penn State
12-0-0
Won Fiesta
Joe Paterno
1987
Miami (FL)
12-0-0
Won Orange
Jimmy Johnson
1988
Notre Dame
12-0-0
Won Fiesta
Lou Holtz
1989
Miami (FL)
11-1-0
Won Sugar
Dennis Erickson
1990
Colorado
11-1-1
Won Orange
Bill McCartney

Georgia Tech (UPI)
11-0-1
Won Citrus
Bobby Ross
1991
Miami (FL)
12-0-0
Won Orange
Dennis Erickson

Washington (CNN)
12-0-0
Won Rose
Don James
1992
Alabama
13-0-0
Won Sugar
Gene Stallings
1993
Florida State
12-1-0
Won Orange
Bobby Bowden
1994
Nebraska
13-0-0
Won Orange
Tom Osborne
1995
Nebraska
12-0-0
Won Fiesta
Tom Osborne
†1996
Florida
12–1
Won Sugar
Steve Spurrier
1997
Michigan
12–0
Won Rose
Lloyd Carr

Nebraska (ESPN)
13–0
Won Orange
Tom Osborne
1998
Tennessee
13–0
Won Fiesta
Phillip Fulmer
1999
Florida State
12-0
Won Sugar
Bobby Bowden
2000
Oklahoma
13-0
Won Orange
Bob Stoops
2001
Miami (FL)
12-0
Won Rose
Larry Coker
2002
Ohio State
14-0
Won Fiesta
Jim Tressel
2003
LSU (BCS)
13-1
Won Sugar
Nick Saban

USC (AP)
12-1
Won Rose
Pete Carroll
2004
USC
13-0
Won Orange
Pete Carroll
2005
Texas
13-0
Won Rose
Mack Brown
2006**
Florida defeated Ohio State
41-14
Won BCS National Championship Game
Urban Meyer
2007
LSU defeated Ohio State
38-24
Won BCS National Championship Game
Les Miles
2008
Florida defeated Oklahoma
24-14
Won BCS National Championship Game
Urban Meyer
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Wut? This is a big time head scrattcher & one of the dumbest non-Mock posts ever......
Then you win the EAT **** AWARD. Just scroll a up a little bit.. or look below:

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1962 USC 11-0-0 Won Rose John McKay

1967 USC 10-1-0 Won Rose John McKay

1972 USC 12-0-0 Won Rose John McKay

1974 USC (UPI) 10-1-1 Won Rose John McKay

1978 USC (UPI) 12-1-0 Won Rose John Robinson
That's FIVE full or partial NCAA National Championships for USC from 1962 to 1978 when U. Miami couldn't draw flies.
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Then you win the EAT **** AWARD. Just scroll a up a little bit.. or look below:



That's FIVE full or partial NCAA National Championships for USC from 1962 to 1978 when U. Miami couldn't draw flies.
Right...And I'm a big-time USC fan.

The dumb portion of your post was the word since. As in:

"USC has been a powerhouse since the early 1960s."

The 90's in general & the Hackett years specifically were completely forgettable. (6 wins or less in 5 of the 10 years)

I can wear the cardinal & gold colored glasses with the best of them but stating that 90's era Trojan football was a powerhouse is ludicrous.
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Right...And I'm a big-time USC fan.

The dumb portion of your post was the word since. As in:

"USC has been a powerhouse since the early 1960s."

The 90's in general & the Hackett years specifically were completely forgettable. (6 wins or less in 5 of the 10 years)

I can wear the cardinal & gold colored glasses with the best of them but stating that 90's era Trojan football was a powerhouse is ludicrous.
Every team has up and down years and consecutive down years even. I wouldn't write Michigan or Tennessee off as non-powerhouses based on a few bad years.

USC had their bad years but being an established program helps big time with building the program back up, there are always exception years.
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