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Old 05-08-2010, 01:42 AM   #1
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Default JaMarcus Russell reminded Mel Kiper Jr. of John Elway‎ (added: Tom Brady Quinn)

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...f-john-elway/1





Not going to make another thread for this, but since someone brought up Tebow/Brady.





Brady Quinn = Tom Brady?

Just shows how similar ND's offense was to New England and thus Denver. Orton may have an advantage for being here a year but I'm sure Quinn will catch up fast. Plus Quinn has seen NFL action.

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Old 05-08-2010, 05:33 AM   #2
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Mel Kiper Jr. went to Calvert Hall. that's all i need to know to ignore anything that comes out of his piehole.

(people from Maryland will understand)
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Old 05-08-2010, 06:08 AM   #3
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"He will be a Top 5 Elite QB in 3 years" How that **** has a job I'll never know
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Not to defend the life-suck that is Mel Kiper, but come on. QBs are very hard to predict. There are plenty of scouts in the NFL who have ben doing this all their lives who said the same thing about him and countless other busts. Makes it pretty easy to not put any predictions out there for public or team consumption and then log into a message board to criticize the people who do.
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Old 05-08-2010, 06:37 AM   #5
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Dude has all the physical skills to completely dominate at the NFL level, and everyone loved him coming out.

Seems like NFL teams need to do a much better job of analyzing the psychology of these potential draft picks as well. I honestly don't know how I would change if suddenly being given millions of dollars after being treated like a God through college. When I was 22.
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Remember they could have had Calvin Johnson, Patrick Willis, or Adrian Peterson in that draft!
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Not to defend the life-suck that is Mel Kiper, but come on. QBs are very hard to predict. There are plenty of scouts in the NFL who have ben doing this all their lives who said the same thing about him and countless other busts. Makes it pretty easy to not put any predictions out there for public or team consumption and then log into a message board to criticize the people who do.
Yeah, but not everyone does it with the kind of arrogant hyperbole as Kiper. The guy doesn't say a person has potential, he flat out predicts hall of fame for some players. Then he gets super pissy if a team disagrees, and predicts the crumbling of that team. Kiper is the one douche that deserves to get laughed at for his draft predictions.
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JaMarcus Russell reminded Mel Kiper Jr. of John Elway‎
"McD compares Tebow to Brady"

Seems to be a lot of that going around.....
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Old 05-08-2010, 06:55 AM   #9
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Mel Kiper did not think Cutler was an elite QB so you could say he knows what he is talking about based on that.

BUT when all you do is throw crap against the wall and hope it sticks you are bound to get something right.
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So JaMarcus needed "2-3 year period to become a NFL QB"...but Tebow is a reach...

Then you have S. Young jumping in "At the end of the day it's a quarterback driven league, that's why they are first round picks"...but Tebow is a reach...

**** Mel, **** Steve and **** ESPN draft coverage...
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Kiper generally hits more than he misses. And you gotta love the guy for finding a way to squeeze Elway's name into every draft, year after year.
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mel kiper misses

Andre Ware and said he was going to be an excellent quarterback in the NFL.

USC Wide Receiver Mike Williams as the best player in the entire 2005

After the Colts took Marshall Faulk at No. 2 overall, Kiper chastised them for not picking a QB, Heath Shuler or Trent Dilfer.


Kiper rated TCU's LaDainian Tomlinson as tied for the 25th-best player in the 2001 draft, and only the third-best running back that year, behind Mississippi's Deuce McAllister and Wisconsin's Michael Bennett

Kiper had QBs Dan McGwire and Brett Favre rated evenly heading into the 1991 draft

Mel Kiper on the Dan Patrick radio show, and a caller asked him that same question. He said his biggest miss ever was predicting LB Chris Spielman would be a bust and not worth a first day pick.

In 1999, he touted the potential of Oregon quarterback Akili Smith to exceed at the professional level.

In 1998, Kiper argued that Ryan Leaf, 2nd overall pick, had an attitude that would be an asset in the NFL.

In 2001, Kiper predicted a dismal 0-16 season for the New England Patriots. The team finished slightly better than that prediction, managing to win just one Super Bowl the entire season

http://espn.go.com/melkiper/s/2002/0420/1371357.html



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Kiper rated Purdue QB Jeff George as the 84th-best player in the 1990 draft

Kiper rated Notre Dame QB Rick Mirer as the 30th-best player in the 1993 draft



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Mel's has hits and misses...so have many Draft guru's and even some people on the O-Mane.

Mel hates Tebow and loves Jimmy Clausen. We all will see what happens.
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Old 05-08-2010, 01:14 PM   #13
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Kiper generally hits more than he misses. And you gotta love the guy for finding a way to squeeze Elway's name into every draft, year after year.
The only reason he does that is because Elway is the highest rated guy he's ever had... turns out he became a Hall of Famer. More of an ego thing.
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A veteran pundit who doesn't pull any punches. Seems like yesterday that everybody was saying, "Who the hell is Mel Kiper Jr.?" but these days he's all over the field, offering his opinion whether anyone wants it or not. Speed is his greatest asset; no pundit talks faster. Fans like his decisiveness, but scouts say he's reckless and tends to cough it up in pressure situations. Good ears, questionable eyes. Bad haircut keeps his rating down.

Who is this guy, anyway? It's Senior Bowl week in Mobile, Ala., and everybody else who walks and stalks the lobby of the swankiest hotel in town—the Riverview, across the street from the city's swankiest bail bondsmen—announces, by his dress or by his bearing, who he is and what he does. There are the players, who are young and huge and outfitted in shorts and baseball caps and are showing extraordinary deference to the coaches, who wear team togs and are as hale and ruddy-faced as charter-boat captains. There are the scouts, who are finicky and fidgety and try at all costs to avoid the agents, who wear checkbook smiles and suits that shine. There are also the parents of the players, who pray before they cat, and the groupies, who don't, and the reporters, slinking at the fringes, and the autograph hounds.

The Senior Bowl is a college football all-star game designed to showcase college seniors to the NFL, and so the Riverview lobby hums and throbs with whispers of appraisal—a meat market, yes, but one in which the cattle are genuinely thrilled at the prospect of the sale.

Then into the middle of this scene strides a man who talks to everybody, except the groupies, or whom everybody talks to. As he walks through the lobby, you can hear the drumbeat of voices in his wake: "Hey Mel"..."Hey Mel"..."Hey Mel"..."Hey Mel." Everybody knows him, but who is he, and what does he do? He's not a player, that's for sure; he's average-sized, with thick legs and a slight paunch. He's not a coach, either; he looks indoorsy instead of outdoorsy, with a haircut that rises straight off his forehead and would fit just right on a fellow selling odd-lot carpets on late-night TV. He's not a scout, because he wears a tie, and he's not an agent, because the tie isn't pure silk—and besides, he's too nice a guy—and he's not a reporter, because on occasion he's followed by the autograph hounds. He's a star of some sort, but what role does he play?

Then he opens his mouth, and it becomes clear.

Mel Kiper Jr. is the draft expert.

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I'm not defending Tebow here but shouldn't wavy hair Kiper and Steve Young be a bit consistent w/ their quarterback evaluations, instead of stating how he fits into a team's system, they either bash or love a pick.

To bad you won't hear those two fess up to their mistake.

And Steve Young and even Tom Jackson, who've I admired for a long time, were god awful on the draft this year.
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"McD compares Tebow to Brady"

Seems to be a lot of that going around.....
Well, that "next Elway" list certainly continues to grow each year...I'm worn out from researching all the names, most of them ridiculous.
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The only reason he does that is because Elway is the highest rated guy he's ever had... turns out he became a Hall of Famer. More of an ego thing.
true dat. Talk about chalk...it's hard to go wrong there.
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