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Old 05-02-2010, 12:28 PM   #1
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It took two drafts and another week of intense concentration to follow the Broncos' bouncing draft picks, but the results are in on the Jay Cutler trade.

Here's what the Broncos got: starting quarterback Kyle Orton, starting outside linebacker Robert Ayers, first-round receiver Demaryius Thomas, third-round receiver Eric Decker, one-half of tight end Richard Quinn (Bears' draft pick plus one more to get him) and one-third of quarterback Tim Tebow (draft pick plus two more).

The haul is stunning.

On paper, the Broncos have a chance to make this the NFL's most significant blockbuster trade since 1989, when Jimmy Johnson used Herschel Walker to resurrect the Dallas Cowboys' franchise.

Now all the Broncos need is for their acquired players to make the ever-difficult transfer from looking good on paper to becoming productive on the field.

If Ayers and Quinn can rebound from disappointing rookie seasons, if Thomas and Decker can recover from their injured feet, if Tebow can become all that, then Orton may go from the early centerpiece of the deal to an afterthought.

Keep in mind the only player who has made the Pro Bowl since the trade was an afterthought. In return for the Broncos' haul, the Bears got Cutler and a fifth-round pick that turned out to be receiver Johnny Knox.

Knox was named to the NFC Pro Bowl team last season as a returner.

"I was aware I was part of the trade, but I didn't know any of the specifics," Knox said at the Pro Bowl in Miami. "All I know, I was hoping to get drafted and was glad I did."

The trade, as it initially was constructed, sent Cutler and a 2009 fifth-round pick (Knox) to the Bears in exchange for Orton, a 2009 first-round pick (Ayers), a 2009 third- round pick (hold on) and a 2010 first-round pick (hold on some more).

Last season, the Broncos packaged their own third- round pick with the third- rounder they got from the Bears to move into the second round to take Quinn.

This year, the Broncos took their No. 11 overall pick from the Bears, traded down to No. 13 while picking up a fourth- round pick (No. 113 overall) from San Francisco. The Broncos then moved down again to No. 24 overall in exchange for two of Philadelphia's third- round picks (Nos. 70 and 87 overall).

The Broncos moved up from No. 24 to No. 22 by sending the No. 113 overall pick they got from San Francisco to New England and took Thomas.

They kept their No. 87 pick and took Decker.

They packaged the No. 70 pick they received from Philly with two of their own picks to take Tebow.

Two quarterbacks, two receivers, a pass rusher and a blocking tight end.

Even the harshest critics of Broncos coach Josh McDaniels and general manager Brian Xanders would say their draft maneuverings were nothing short of brilliant.

It's the wisdom of their selections — and decision to trade Cutler in the first place — that will come into question until the players produce, and the Broncos win.

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Let's see the actual reward in next 5 yrs before we celebrate what's we got on paper for Cutler trade.

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Old 05-02-2010, 12:42 PM   #3
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Let's see the actual reward in next 5 yrs before we celebrate what's we got on paper for Cutler trade.
Conversely, Cutler is a disaster, so let's see if trading him is even worth talking about in 5 years. Could have been addition by subtraction.
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Conversely, Cutler is a disaster, so let's see if trading him is even worth talking about in 5 years. Could have been addition by subtraction.
For sure. Even if all our picks are not great we've already seen the type of player cutler is and that's one who is regressing.
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Last season, the Broncos packaged their own third- round pick with the third- rounder they got from the Bears to move into the second round to take Quinn.
Maybe I'm not following too closely, but I believe we received the Steelers 4th in that trade (we moved up to Steelers last pick of round 2, gave them the two 3rds and received their 4th). In that case, if we are counting 1/2 of Quinn, shouldn't we also add in Seth Olsen who we took with that 4th?

It's all pretty confusing.
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Hopefully Orton will have a productive season while both Brady Quinn and Tim Tebow get up to speed and the Broncos are able to trade Orton for some more future picks. The Cutler trade could give the Broncos more.
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We won't know who won the deal for another 2 years. The balance of who 'won' rests entirely with Cutler.
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Maybe I'm not following too closely, but I believe we received the Steelers 4th in that trade (we moved up to Steelers last pick of round 2, gave them the two 3rds and received their 4th). In that case, if we are counting 1/2 of Quinn, shouldn't we also add in Seth Olsen who we took with that 4th?

It's all pretty confusing.
Exactly my thought. Unless I am missing something Olsen is also part of that deal.

And if we can trade Orton for a mid-late round pick, that should also get included.
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We won't know who won the deal for another 2 years. The balance of who 'won' rests entirely with Cutler.
And Knox.

Don't count him out. He looks like a future superstar.
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Orton will be a free agent at the end of the year. Unless we plan on francise tagging him I don't see him landing Denver any draft picks in trade. I imagine he will have another efficient year where he throws about a 1.8 TD/Int Ratio and has a bunch of yards passing in the short throwing game. I don't think he will be that highly sought in free agency. Any ideas who would be willing to give this guy a starting gig? Maybe Minnesota or Arizona next year.
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Buffalo comes to mind as a place where a QB is needed but Orton's arm would not hold up well there.
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Orton will be a free agent at the end of the year. Unless we plan on francise tagging him I don't see him landing Denver any draft picks in trade. I imagine he will have another efficient year where he throws about a 1.8 TD/Int Ratio and has a bunch of yards passing in the short throwing game. I don't think he will be that highly sought in free agency. Any ideas who would be willing to give this guy a starting gig? Maybe Minnesota or Arizona next year.
Jacksonville might.
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Conversely, Cutler is a disaster, so let's see if trading him is even worth talking about in 5 years. Could have been addition by subtraction.
I was just talking the return of the trade for us. I miss Cutlers ability but, not his brains or the person he is one bit. Imo this was a good move for us longterm. I think Cutler's personality is such that he'll always struggle with dumb mistakes. I do think he is Jeff George II.
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Bears haven't done much to help Cutler succeed in year 2.

Hired Mike Martz, which may help his numbers (see Jon Kitna w/ the Lions) but will get him sacked about 50 times a year.

Signed a solid blocking TE and minimized Greg Olsen due to the new offense. Remember how great Olsen was 'sposed to be last year. 2nd or 3rd TE in the mock fantasy drafts. Not so much then and not so much now.

Signed Chester Taylor (decent pickup) but wasn't Forte supposed to be the real deal? Wasn't he supposed to get 1500 yds with a superior qb to keep the defense honest? Not so much.

No WRs of note signed or drafted, In a year when Santonio Holmes, Brandon Marshall, and Anquan Boldin changed teams. The bears lacked any ammo due to the Cutler and Gaines Adams trades.

Bears made a splash signing Peppers. I guess that helps indirectly, but not so much unless he is moved to LT.
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one-half of tight end Richard Quinn
Which half did we get?
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And Knox.

Don't count him out. He looks like a future superstar.
Knox is decent, but future superstar?

Guess it depends on your classification of superstar. I think there are maybe 7 or 8 "superstar" WRs in the NFL and Knox has a ways to go to get there IMHO.
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I dislike that Knox is considered part of the deal. It's not like the Bears wouldn't've been able to get Knox if we hadn't given them that pick.
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Even the harshest critics of Broncos coach Josh McDaniels and general manager Brian Xanders would say their draft maneuverings were nothing short of brilliant.
Not true since we know for sure that mock, among others, would certainly disagree.
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Conversely, Cutler is a disaster, so let's see if trading him is even worth talking about in 5 years. Could have been addition by subtraction.
I believe Quitler may well have a more average seson, and I mean he shou;ld end up somewhere among the average in most stats. The ints he had last year were sort of unreal in numbers, and he should show some "regression to the mean" this year. Maybe.
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I dislike that Knox is considered part of the deal. It's not like the Bears wouldn't've been able to get Knox if we hadn't given them that pick.
But he was part of the deal. You could say the same thing about the other 5th round pick they had. Who's to say they don't take that dude over Knox with only a single 5th.
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Cutler will be fine and will justify the trade for him.
the main thing is will the Broncos draft picks work out and justify dealing Cutler away.
i've been critical of McDaniels moves since he got here.
but they have gotten good value out of the draft(except the Alphonso Smith trade).

everything is in place for the Broncos to do well both now and in the future.
but if it falls through then the only thing that will be talked about will be the suspect trades(Cutler,Marshall,2010 first for 09' 2nd(Smith))
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Even the harshest critics of Broncos coach Josh McDaniels and general manager Brian Xanders would say their draft maneuverings were nothing short of brilliant.
The caveat here is how many of those picks even develop. If all or most work out, it's a complete coup - one of the biggest in NFL history. If half work out, it was good value. If none of them work out, then it will be considered one of the biggest wastes of resources in our franchise history.
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It would be pretty interesting to compare this against how the Chiefs did with the Jared Allen trade. Anyone got the details there?
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Hopefully Orton will have a productive season while both Brady Quinn and Tim Tebow get up to speed and the Broncos are able to trade Orton for some more future picks. The Cutler trade could give the Broncos more.
You're right about that. The gift that keeps on giving.
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For sure. Even if all our picks are not great we've already seen the type of player cutler is and that's one who is regressing.
call a guy regressing in his 1st year in a new system with no wide receivers
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