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Old 04-17-2010, 08:00 AM   #1
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We shipped Marshall out of here because of his off the field issues right? (Which seemed to be in the past, but whatever).

McD wants a team of good boys who will listen to him.

So how does drafting Dez Bryant make any sense? The guy has OFF THE FIELD issues. An attitude as bad as any wide receiver. He is going to be twice the nightmare Marshall ever was, because for all the flack Marshall received he never was that bad. All his criminal charges in the abuse case went away, he never really fought with coaches about playing time or getting the ball enough or whatever, the only time he stood up to the team was for more money. Which he clearly deserved, but our dumbass coach and owner wouldn't even consider it.

So we get rid of a top 3 talent. A guy who breaks records and goes to the pro bowl and can only get better because he's 26.

Now we might pick up a guy with worse issues who will moan and complain about everything, and there is about a 2 percent chance he'll ever be close to what Marshall was.

This is yet another example of McDaniels being a moron, irrational, etc. But there will be those like Mike Klis and a number of people here who continue to latch their lips firmly to the brown eye.
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Last time I checked, we haven't drafted Dez Bryant. Change your tampon and relax. When we actually draft Bryant, it will be be for the lulz.
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"This is yet another example of McDaniels being a moron, irrational, etc. But there will be those like Mike Klis and a number of people here who continue to latch their lips firmly to the brown eye."


Because he is on their board? Step back from the ledge goofball.
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188 post rule. Please merge with every single other thread on the 1st page.
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The search function works wonders. Hell, just scroll down to the middle of the front page.
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So how does drafting Dez Bryant make any sense? The guy has OFF THE FIELD issues.
Care to enumerate those issues? Please name some of the things he's done that even begin to compare with what BM has done.
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So how does drafting Dez Bryant make any sense? The guy has OFF THE FIELD issues. An attitude as bad as any wide receiver. He is going to be twice the nightmare Marshall ever was, because for all the flack Marshall received he never was that bad.

If you are going to post this please back it up with some facts !!

Will you list the issues with Dez Bryant that would make him twice the nightmare Marshall was.
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From what I've read he had a pretty rough childhood.

But no off the issues, guy should be fine.
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I really respect the opinion of Gil Brandt. He has major concerns based simply upon Dez's showing at his own pro day. Specifically, the number of "handlers" that accompanied Bryant. He thinks this is a bad sign.
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Finally. Dez Bryant thread.
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Finally. Dez Bryant thread.
This is the Dez + Rage thread.... with a dash of McDoosher. We really didn't have a thread that covered all of these angles.
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This is the Dez + Rage thread.... with a dash of McDoosher. We really didn't have a thread that covered all of these angles.
Got a little homoerotic Klis bashing in there too.
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Wait the draft was this week? I just searched google for articles on our drafting Dez and found nothing.

So why is the OP having a hissy fit?
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This is the Dez + Rage thread.... with a dash of McDoosher. We really didn't have a thread that covered all of these angles.
Exactly. I like to bring in all angles.

I know we haven't drafted him, but honestly, who the heck do you guys think we're really going to draft? A good d lineman or something. Yeah right.

If not Dez, my guess would be another running back or a cornerback who is 5'8.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4540282

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...cter-concerns/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-draft-boards/

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...20068b5b3.html


Yeah all that looks way easier to handle than Marshall who just wanted to get paid like the top 3 talent he is. What did Marshall do again? He started off shaky, vowed to grow up, and did. He was exonerated of alleged abuse through the proof that his ex girlfriend was extorting him for money, he did great things for the community of Denver, and when he showed up to play as a starting wide receiver who was making less than 31 other receivers in the league, he didn't shirk it. He came out with a phenomenal season despite the crap McD pulled.

Dez can't handle McDestruction, there will be a melt down there for sure. And Dez won't ever be as good as Marshall. We will never have a player the caliber of Marshall again.

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Broncos didn't get rid of Marshall because of off field problems. It's mostly because he didn't like living in Denver after Darrents murder. That and Broncos didn't want to pay him as much as he wanted. It really has very little to do with off field.

I don't think Broncos feel comfortable with how he has matured since being drafted. After 4-5 yrs you expect players to be ready to become leaders. I don't think they see him as a leader. They don't want a 50 million dollar me type player.

Bailey way different because he never acts like Marshall does. Players like that you want to give the big money to.
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Broncos didn't get rid of Marshall because of off field problems. It's mostly because he didn't like living in Denver after Darrents murder. That and Broncos didn't want to pay him as much as he wanted. It really has very little to do with off field.

I don't think Broncos feel comfortable with how he has matured since being drafted. After 4-5 yrs you expect players to be ready to become leaders. I don't think they see him as a leader. They don't want a 50 million dollar me type player.

Bailey way different because he never acts like Marshall does. Players like that you want to give the big money to.
Bailey got traded because Washington wouldn't pay him, they didn't see him as worth a big contract because he wasn't a leader.
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We shipped Marshall out of here because of his off the field issues right? (Which seemed to be in the past, but whatever).

McD wants a team of good boys who will listen to him.

So how does drafting Dez Bryant make any sense? The guy has OFF THE FIELD issues. An attitude as bad as any wide receiver. He is going to be twice the nightmare Marshall ever was, because for all the flack Marshall received he never was that bad. All his criminal charges in the abuse case went away, he never really fought with coaches about playing time or getting the ball enough or whatever, the only time he stood up to the team was for more money. Which he clearly deserved, but our dumbass coach and owner wouldn't even consider it.

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Show me Dez Bryant's rap sheet and prove what you said. Does it compare to this?

Oct. 31, 2004: During his junior year at the University of Central Florida, Brandon Marshall faced misdemeanor charges of trespass, resisting arrest without violence, disorderly conduct, refusal to obey and assault on a police officer after an argument with an off-duty Florida Highway Patrol officer turned heated at an Orlando Denny's restaurant. According to the off-duty officer, Marshall, who'd been asked to leave the restaurant for creating a disturbance, accused the officer and the restaurant manager of being "racist," threatened to sue Denny's and the Florida Highway Patrol and said he was "a star and a well-known athlete." Marshall screamed profanities and locked his fists as if he were preparing to strike the officer, according to the report. The charges were later dismissed.

April 8, 2005: Marshall was charged with retail theft, a misdemeanor, after trying to return a stolen set of bed sheets, valued at $19.99, to a Burlington Coat Factory, according to a police report of the incident. The charge was later dropped.

April 2006: Marshall was drafted by the Broncos in the fourth round of the NFL draft, No. 119 overall.

June 17, 2006: Conflicting police reports from Marshall and Rasheedah Watley were filed with the Orange County, Fla., Sheriff's Department. Marshall told police that Watley became violent after seeing him earlier that evening as the object of another woman's affection. Marshall described Watley to police as an old family friend and told police that Watley punched him and scratched his chest after an argument inside the couple's Orlando apartment spiraled out of control. Watley, who filed a police report by phone from Atlanta three days after the incident, told Florida police that Marshall was the aggressor, and that he slapped her in the face, grabbed her by the arms and pushed her to the ground, and that Marshall's sister, London, who was also present during the fight, cut Watley above her eye by throwing a cell phone or remote control at her face. No charges were ever filed.

Dec. 31, 2006: Marshall and several Broncos teammates were present at "The Shelter," a nightclub in Denver's LoDo section, as part of a birthday celebration for Denver Nuggets forward Kenyon Martin. Former Broncos wide receiver Javon Walker later told HBO's "Real Sports" that an argument broke out at the club when Marshall and his cousin sprayed champagne on another club patron and his friend. The men, who argued with Marshall and his cousin, were then asked to leave the club, Walker told HBO. Walker admitted he didn't see the encounter. According to media reports, around closing time, Marshall and his cousin were seen on the sidewalk outside the club arguing with the patrons who had been ejected from the club earlier that night. Walker told HBO that he believes the argument contributed to a drive-by shooting a short time later that killed Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams.

Jan. 24, 2007: Police responded to a parking lot outside an Orlando bowling alley where Marshall and his father had a heated argument. According to a police report of the incident, Frederick Marshall said his son took out a handgun and fired one shot at him after the two men argued. Frederick Marshall, who refused to sign a sworn statement or press charges, said his son left the area after firing the handgun. Several witnesses said they never heard gunshots, according to the police report. While officers spoke with Frederick Marshall that evening, Brandon Marshall returned to the parking lot and provided his own statement. Brandon Marshall told police that his father had asked him for money earlier that night and that when he said "no," Frederick Marshall left the bowling alley in anger, broke a beer bottle on Brandon Marshall's vehicle and then tried to run down Brandon Marshall with his car, forcing him to jump between two vehicles in the parking lot to avoid getting hit, according to the report. Frederick Marshall also threatened to "ruin [Brandon's] professional football career," according to the police report. Brandon Marshall also declined to press charges.

March 18, 2007: Atlanta police responded to a domestic dispute call at the Westin Peachtree hotel. Watley told officers that after meeting Marshall at the hotel that night, he became enraged after he went through her cell phone call list and noticed she'd been speaking with an ex-boyfriend. Watley told police Marshall hit her repeatedly with a closed fist. While she refused medical attention, police noticed a large, dark-colored bruise on Watley's chin. Police reported seeing Marshall in the lobby of a neighboring hotel but, according to the report, Marshall left and was not arrested. Police advised Watley to take out a warrant for Marshall's arrest, but Watley never did. No charges were ever filed.

March 21, 2007: Watley filed a report with police in Boca Raton, Fla. Watley and Marshall, who were staying in south Florida with Marshall's uncle, told police that an argument started that night at a local restaurant after Marshall refused to ask Watley to marry him. According to a police report, while Watley was walking home, Marshall grabbed a large pipe from a construction site and hit the ground with it in frustration. Nobody was hurt. Police characterized the incident as a verbal domestic dispute. No charges were filed.

March 26, 2007: Police in Douglas County, Colo., arrested Marshall for false imprisonment and domestic violence. Watley told "Outside the Lines" she was assaulted by Marshall a day earlier at Marshall's suburban Denver home -- she never reported that incident to police -- and that she was attempting to fly back to Atlanta to get away from Marshall. Watley told police she and Marshall argued at the Denver airport and that she later agreed to return to Marshall's home. Watley told police when she attempted to leave Marshall's home a second time, Marshall followed her taxi and, at one point, blocked its path with his Dodge Charger, leapt from his car and punched the taxi cab's windows. When contacted by "Outside the Lines," the cab driver confirmed Watley's version of events. Marshall denied punching the taxi cab's windows and later told police he was only trying to retrieve his cell phone, which he said Watley had taken from him.

May 25, 2007: Charges against Marshall relating to his arrest in Douglas County, Colo., were dismissed after he successfully completed anger management classes.

June 8, 2007: Police responded to Marshall and Watley's Atlanta condo at 5 a.m. and found Watley with a noticeable cut on her right thigh. Watley initially told officers that she accidentally cut herself with a kitchen knife. Watley told the first officer to arrive that while she had argued with Marshall earlier that evening, no physical abuse occurred. Marshall was not present. Roughly an hour later, at 6:07 a.m., police were dispatched to the condo a second time. On this second visit Watley told police that Marshall did indeed cut her thigh with a kitchen knife during a fight earlier that evening and that he later returned to the condo and continued to assault Watley by punching her in the forehead. Watley's friend, Kristeena Spivey, told police that while she was attempting to drive Watley from the condo complex, she noticed Marshall attempting to leave the scene. Spivey, who called 911 to make officers aware of Marshall's whereabouts, said when she attempted to block Marshall's exit from the parking lot with her vehicle, Marshall rammed her car with his Cadillac Escalade and then left his SUV and threw a large rock at the passenger side of Spivey's car. Marshall fled the scene before police arrived, according to Spivey and Watley. Watley was taken to Grady Memorial Hospital for treatment. No charges were ever filed.

June 30, 2007: Atlanta police responded to a fight-in-progress call at Marshall and Watley's condo. Watley told police that a fight broke out after Marshall missed a flight and blamed Watley. Watley told police Marshall struck her with a closed fist and choked her. Watley had a bruise on her left eye and noticeable scratches on her body, according to a police report of the incident. Officers made Watley aware of the procedures to obtain a restraining order. No charges were filed.

Oct. 22, 2007: Hours after defeating the Pittsburgh Steelers, Marshall was cited at 2 a.m. by Denver police for driving under the influence after he was seen driving erratically. His blood-alcohol level was 0.116 (the legal limit for DUI in Colorado is 0.08).

Jan. 18, 2008: Watley obtained a temporary protective order against Marshall in Fulton County (Ga.) Superior Court. At the time, Marshall was forbidden to come within 200 yards of Watley. Watley, through her attorneys, eventually agreed to lift the court order.

Feb. 18, 2008: Watley told "Outside the Lines" that as part of a Valentine's Day present, and in an attempt to repair their relationship, Marshall surprised her with a last-minute trip to San Juan, Puerto Rico. While on that trip, Watley said, Marshall argued with her about an ex-boyfriend. Watley said Marshall assaulted her at San Juan's Condado Plaza Hotel, hitting her in the mouth, which caused her to bleed, and choking her on the bed. A report was filed by police saying officers were called to the hotel to help hotel security escort guests from the property. The report does not mention Watley, Marshall or any details of the incident.

March 4, 2008: Police responded around 9 p.m. to a fight call at Marshall and Watley's Atlanta condo and found Marshall bleeding from his hand. Marshall initially told police that during an argument with Watley, one of Watley's sisters cut him on his hand with a knife. When asked by police who had the knife, Marshall then told officers there was no knife, and that he'd been cut on glass during a fight with Watley. Watley told police that Marshall became upset after finding text messages from an ex-boyfriend on Watley's phone. Watley had several cuts on her lips, according to a police report, and told officers that Marshall had grabbed her by the head and slapped her. While police were interviewing Watley, Marshall fled, according to a report of the incident.

March 5, 2008: Police returned to Marshall and Watley's condo around 1 a.m. Watley and her sister both told police that after the fight earlier that same evening, Marshall returned to the condo, took Watley's purse and threw her personal belongings, including clothing, off of the 20th floor balcony. Police told Watley to leave the residence, but she declined and explained that she feared Marshall would return again once officers left and damage more of her property.

March 5, 2008: Watley obtained her second temporary protective order against Marshall in Fulton County Superior Court. Marshall was once again forbidden by the court order to come within 200 yards of Watley.

May 5, 2008: Atlanta police were called once again to the condo Watley shared for more than a year with Marshall. According to a police report, Watley and Marshall's mother argued about Watley's attempt to remove items from the condo. No charges were filed.

Aug. 5, 2008: The NFL released a statement announcing that Marshall would be suspended without pay for the Broncos' first three regular-season games of 2008 for violating the NFL personal conduct policy. The statement noted that "if Marshall fully complies with required counseling and other conditions of the suspension, Commissioner Goodell will consider reducing the suspension to two games."

Aug. 28, 2008: Less than a month after the NFL released a statement announcing Marshall's suspension, the league released another statement saying Marshall's suspension had been reduced upon appeal to one game without pay plus an additional fine of one game check. An NFL spokesman told ESPN "a potential reduction in [Marshall's] initial three-game suspension was always contemplated if he complied with required counseling and other conditions of the suspension." The spokesman would not elaborate on the precise conditions Marshall met to have his suspension reduced.

Sept. 10, 2008: Marshall was charged with two misdemeanor counts of simple battery as a result of the incident the previous March (his formal bond arraignment was Nov. 3, 2008). Simple battery, according to the Fulton County District Attorney's office, is punishable by up to one year in jail and/or a $1,000 fine.

Sept. 12, 2008: Nearly a year after being cited for DUI in Denver, Marshall pleaded guilty to the lesser offense of driving while ability-impaired. He was sentenced to one year of probation.

Feb. 5, 2009: While attending a dinner party in Honolulu as part of his Pro Bowl appearance, Marshall proposed to Michi Nogami-Campbell. Marshall told the Denver Post he met Nogami-Campbell while the two attended the University of Central Florida. The engagement prompted several sports writers to praise what they characterized as Marshall's maturity.

March 1, 2009: Marshall and his fiancée, Nogami-Campbell, were seen by an off-duty Atlanta police officer arguing outside the same Atlanta condo Marshall once shared with Watley. According to a police report of the incident, the off-duty officer saw Marshall and Nogami-Campbell kicking and punching one another on the sidewalk outside the condo building. The off-duty officer said she saw Marshall grab Nogami-Campbell by the shirt and pin her up against the wall. Nogami-Campbell continued to kick and hit Marshall, the officer said. Both Marshall and Nogami-Campbell were arrested and taken to the Atlanta City Jail. They were released later that same day and charges were dismissed. In a statement to ESPN, the NFL said the incident remains "under review."
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You just stretch out most of the same story with Watley, and Marshall was not proved guilty in court. So bringing it up again and again does not matter. Show me his rap sheet from the last two years, which is more important, because it shows his growth.
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You just stretch out most of the same story with Watley, and Marshall was not proved guilty in court. So bringing it up again and again does not matter. Show me his rap sheet from the last two years, which is more important, because it shows his growth.
You still didn't show any facts that Bryant is a head case and a bad character guy. I said show me his rap sheet I showed you Marshall's.
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