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Old 04-10-2010, 09:41 AM   #1
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The Brandon Marshall watch is one of the longest and most intriguing storylines in the NFL this offseason.

The story started off hot with a Marshall visit to Seattle on the second day of free agency, but it has been in a holding pattern in the month-plus since.

Marshall, who recently turned 26, is one of the NFL's best wide receivers. Yet, because of several issues, it appears Marshall and the Denver Broncos have reached the end of their relationship.

Marshall is a restricted free agent who was given a first-round tender. The date for signing restricted free agents to an offer sheet is Thursday. So far, Seattle has been the only team to show real interest. There have been rumors and speculation of other teams being interested, but nothing concrete has materialized.

Denver has made it known it wants a first-round pick for Marshall. But if he isn’t signed to an offer sheet, the Broncos may have a difficult time getting their asking price. Denver may have to end up settling for another package, perhaps of existing players, a package of later picks or future picks. It wouldn’t be a surprise if this saga doesn’t conclude until the draft, which begins April 22. Currently, the most likely scenario for this coming to an end is during the second round on April 23. Here's a look at possibilities for Marshall:

Seattle: The Seahawks clearly have interest. They brought Marshall to their facility via a seaplane March 6. Seattle coach Pete Carroll acknowledged late last month that the team has had preliminary talks with Marshall’s agent about a new contract.

Seattle is still interested and must be considered the front-runner to acquire Marshall. I expect Seattle’s interest will continue into the draft, but there are sticking points. The Seahawks are unlikely to surrender the No. 6 or No. 14 pick (acquired from Denver during a draft-day trade last year). Because of a trade for San Diego No. 3 quarterback Charlie Whitehurst, Seattle now has the No. 60 overall pick in the second-round and not the No. 40 pick. So, Seattle may have to get creative to get Marshall. Perhaps it will give up the No. 60 pick, and another pick in the draft and/or a conditional future pick. If Seattle really wants Marshall, it could even make a trade in which it switches the No. 6 overall pick with Denver’s No. 11 pick as part of a package.

Washington: The Washington Post reported this week that the Redskins still may be in play for Marshall after trading the No. 37 overall pick (and a conditional pick next year) for Donovan McNabb. The Post reasons that the Redskins may want to pair Marshall with McNabb to make a fast run in the NFC East.

It was thought a Marshall deal would be out of the question after the Redskins gave up their second-round pick for McNabb. It would be a shock if the Redskins gave up the No. 4 pick for Marshall. If it wants him, perhaps Washington would be willing to give up their first-round pick in 2011 for Marshall.

It's going to take creativity to make Denver happy if a 2010 first-round pick is not part of the deal. Washington leaders Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen are known for being aggressive. If the Redskins want Marshall, they could go get him.

Other teams: Perhaps a team that drafts late in the first round will decide trading for and giving a large contract to a known commodity such as Marshall is better than giving a big contract to a draft pick. Marshall, a four-year veteran, has 100 or more catches in the past three seasons and is a brilliant talent. The Jets, Dolphins, Patriots, Cowboys, Rams (who have the first pick in the second round) and Bengals have all been connected to Marshall, but none has made a move.

Until they do, the Broncos may be stuck and only have to deal with Seattle. Denver must hope that Oklahoma State wide receiver Dez Bryant doesn’t fall down the draft board. If Bryant, who is talented but comes with off-field questions, is off the board early in the first round, perhaps one of these aforementioned teams will make a play for Marshall while on the clock.

Staying in Denver: I mention this option last because I think this is the last resort for Denver and Marshall. Both sides want to move on. The Broncos want fair trade value and Marshall wants a fair contract extension.

If neither option develops elsewhere, Denver and Marshall may be stuck with each other. It will be interesting to see what Denver’s breaking point is. If it truly will not take anything less than a 2010 first-round pick, we will know Marshall’s future by the end of the evening on April 22.

Marshall’s PR firm recently put out a statement indicating that Marshall wants a new deal and would be willing to stay in Denver. He asked to be traded before last season and ended up having a productive season. Still, the 2009 season ended with Marshall being benched for the final game of the season (in a game Denver had playoff hopes entering) because the team thought he milked a minor injury he suffered during the practice week leading up to the game. The relationship has not been publicly mended since.

I could see Denver keeping Marshall only if it doesn’t believe it is getting fair trade value. I don’t see Denver giving Marshall a long-term deal right away. Perhaps Denver will decide getting one more productive season out of Marshall before he can leave as unrestricted free agent will be better than getting a second-round pick.
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Old 04-10-2010, 09:45 AM   #2
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if we lose him next year, we get a 3rd compensatory pick, might as well just keep him this year and hope we can keep him
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Marshall and McD both have said they like each other and want each other (hehehe) so why can't they reach an agreement, he just wants paid like a top talent should be paid
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Marshall and McD both have said they like each other and want each other (hehehe) so why can't they reach an agreement, he just wants paid like a top talent should be paid
on sirius, they asked mcdaniels if he thinks him and brandon can survive together. he said people said the same thing after last offseason and they showed they can not only survive, but can thrive together.
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The truth on Brandon Marshall

The Broncos want a first-round choice in return for receiver Brandon Marshall. The Seahawks want to pay less than that. The most important question might be this: What does Marshall want?

Denver cannot trade Marshall unless Marshall signs the one-year offer the Broncos made to him as a restricted free agent. Marshall is unsigned.

That means Marshall has more power than the Seahawks or Broncos in determining whether a trade takes place before, during or after the draft. The Broncos could choose to do nothing and Marshall would most likely sign the one-year offer eventually to avoid forgoing his salary. But Denver would be stuck with an unhappy player, with Marshall potentially eligible to become an unrestricted free agent after the season.

Any trade involving Marshall is most likely to happen before or during the draft. If Seattle remains the only serious suitor during the draft, the Broncos won't have realistic options beyond trading Marshall to the Seahawks or keeping him on their roster. Marshall most likely would not sign his tender to facilitate a trade without first working out a long-term deal with his next team.

The time between draft choices is enough for Marshall to sign his tender, but probably not enough for him to work out a long-term contract with a newly interested team. The Seahawks presumably would have had those discussions with Marshall already.

Restricted free agents have until April 15 -- Thursday of next week -- to sign offer sheets from other teams. The Seahawks would have to send the sixth overall pick to Denver if they signed Marshall to an offer sheet. That probably isn't happening.
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Personally I think there will be plenty of suitors come draft day.
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Marshall and McD both have said they like each other and want each other (hehehe) so why can't they reach an agreement, he just wants paid like a top talent should be paid
And the Broncos just want the financial protection any team would given Marshall's off-field issues.

See the impasse? Denver won't just give Marshall a massive check and hope he behaves, Marshall won't bet his pay day on his own good conduct. So how do you resolve that?
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That means Marshall has more power than the Seahawks or Broncos in determining whether a trade takes place before, during or after the draft.
No it doesn't! If he doesn't sign he doesn't play for anyone and he doesn't get paid. The only time the tables "turn" is if a team tenders him and puts in a poison pill, at which point you can go to negotiations, but it's not likely. Marshall not signing just means he's not allowed to play in the NFL.
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The Broncos want a first-round choice in return for receiver Brandon Marshall. The Seahawks want to pay less than that. The most important question might be this: What does Marshall want?

Denver cannot trade Marshall unless Marshall signs the one-year offer the Broncos made to him as a restricted free agent. Marshall is unsigned.

That means Marshall has more power than the Seahawks or Broncos in determining whether a trade takes place before, during or after the draft. The Broncos could choose to do nothing and Marshall would most likely sign the one-year offer eventually to avoid forgoing his salary. But Denver would be stuck with an unhappy player, with Marshall potentially eligible to become an unrestricted free agent after the season.

Any trade involving Marshall is most likely to happen before or during the draft. If Seattle remains the only serious suitor during the draft, the Broncos won't have realistic options beyond trading Marshall to the Seahawks or keeping him on their roster. Marshall most likely would not sign his tender to facilitate a trade without first working out a long-term deal with his next team.

The time between draft choices is enough for Marshall to sign his tender, but probably not enough for him to work out a long-term contract with a newly interested team. The Seahawks presumably would have had those discussions with Marshall already.

Restricted free agents have until April 15 -- Thursday of next week -- to sign offer sheets from other teams. The Seahawks would have to send the sixth overall pick to Denver if they signed Marshall to an offer sheet. That probably isn't happening.

I think this is wrong. I think teams are hoping that Marshall does not sign a Sheet, and that would allow teams to make different proposals to Denver.

The Broncos still control the game. It is what other teams are willing to give up in players and/or picks(s). After that, the team would have to deal with Marshall's agent.....
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And the Broncos just want the financial protection any team would given Marshall's off-field issues.

See the impasse? Denver won't just give Marshall a massive check and hope he behaves, Marshall won't bet his pay day on his own good conduct. So how do you resolve that?
well i'm sure they can come up with a suitable contract between them without trying to insult him with a bullshyt offer see they can only go so far lowballing players before it bites them in the ass
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i still think its funny when these "analysts" think marshall has ANY leverage. if we dont get a good offer, he remains a denver bronco. just because he doesnt want to play or doesnt want to do this and that, thats his deal, but we dont have to move him under any circumstance that we dont want to. hes under contract and will remain that way, or he doenst play football.
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None of the 06 class has signed their tender other than Kuper.
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Not many RFA's have
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Do use a picture of the '06 draft class any time you want to rub out out?
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well i'm sure they can come up with a suitable contract between them without trying to insult him with a bullshyt offer see they can only go so far lowballing players before it bites them in the ass
Something like the $9.5M a year deal the Broncos offered him last off-season?

Why didn't he take that? It would've made him the #2 highest paid WR in the NFL, behind Fitzgerald who even Marshall acknowledges to be a better player.
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Once some sucker team picks Dez Bryant, the Broncos' phone will be ringing for a Marshall trade.
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Something like the $9.5M a year deal the Broncos offered him last off-season?

Why didn't he take that? It would've made him the #2 highest paid WR in the NFL, behind Fitzgerald who even Marshall acknowledges to be a better player.
Because if he got injured and the medical staff somehow missed it (which has happened before) the Broncos would pull an Al Wilson and say tough **** dude and cut him, he would then be left with no way of making money for the rest of his life, no medical coverage and looking down the business end of a HUGE medical bill for reconstructive surgery and rehab.
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Something like the $9.5M a year deal the Broncos offered him last off-season?

Why didn't he take that? It would've made him the #2 highest paid WR in the NFL, behind Fitzgerald who even Marshall acknowledges to be a better player.
because noone in there right mind would've signed that contract it was backloaded with no signing bonus to speak of and he would not have gotten half of it so whats your point
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because noone in there right mind would've signed that contract it was backloaded with no signing bonus to speak of and he would not have gotten half of it so whats your point
so instead hell play for 2.4 and 3.2 million a year for next two years. money he lost last year and will this year will be hard to recover with his next contract.
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because noone in there right mind would've signed that contract it was backloaded with no signing bonus to speak of and he would not have gotten half of it so whats your point
So you know the full details? All I've ever seen reported was that it was $9.5M a year with little in long term guaranteed bonus money.

You got something to prove that it was backloaded and that the team wasn't offering him a legitimate $9.5M a year payday as long as he behaved?

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Because if he got injured and the medical staff somehow missed it (which has happened before) the Broncos would pull an Al Wilson and say tough **** dude and cut him, he would then be left with no way of making money for the rest of his life, no medical coverage and looking down the business end of a HUGE medical bill for reconstructive surgery and rehab.
So I guess insurance is completely out of the question hmm?

Nevermind that the team would take out an insurance policy on him for themselves. Marshall obviously couldn't manage to have such a policy that would make up for his potential loss due to career ending injury.

Or the fact that if something like what you outlined happened he could easily win a major malpractice suit against the Broncos medical staff, who obviously carry malpractice insurance themselves.

The excuses for why Marshall refused the deal last off-season are as tenuous and frail as they come. The only reasons that hold up to any scrutiny are either his strong distaste for remaining in Denver, or he himself having no faith in his ability to behave. Because they don't sell "I'm a ****ing retard and just pissed away a massive NFL contract" insurance.
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No top flight player in the NFL would ever sign a deal with little or no guaranteed money. Don't be an idiot.
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Personally I think there will be plenty of suitors come draft day.
So do I. I think once the offer sheet deadline passes things will heat up concerning Marshall. I think there are a number of teams who would like Marshall, but they want the chance to negotiate a trade for him.

Signing Marshall to an offer sheet doesn't allow for any negotiation. Once the offer sheet deadline passes there will be more wiggle room for deals to get done.
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