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Old 03-20-2010, 03:37 AM   #1
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Quinn not an immediate threat to Orton


Posted March 19, 2010 @ 10:02 a.m.
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There is no quarterback competition in Denver, so we've been told, but the Broncos gave incumbent starter Kyle Orton a bit of a push with the acquisition of Brady Quinn on March 14.

Reports indicate head coach Josh McDaniels called Orton shortly after trading RB Peyton Hillis, a 2011 sixth-round pick and a conditional late-round pick in 2012 for Quinn to tell Orton he's still the starter, but there long have been doubts about the Broncos' commitment to Orton beyond next season. Orton is a restricted free agent and has received a one-year first-round tender that he is expected to sign. Quinn signed a five-year deal as a rookie with the Browns in '07.

If Orton, who faded down the stretch after starting strong last season, gets off to a slow start in '10, the calls for Quinn to play likely will begin in Denver. Quinn, however, didn't give observers hope that he was on the verge of breaking out as he struggled mightily in Cleveland, and taking at least one year to watch and learn in a new system would no doubt benefit the 25-year-old.

Just a few weeks ago at the NFL Scouting Combine, McDaniels stressed that Orton is still learning that system and is growing more comfortable as time goes by.

"I think any time you take a player at the quarterback position and ask him to do a lot mentally and physically (it's difficult)," McDaniels said. "(Orton) hasn't even been in our system a year still, it won't be until April until that first year comes around. That's our hope and desire is that our quarterback does whatever's best on that play, that he just does it on his own. That's obviously what we're teaching him. I think at that quarterback position, time and experience is going to help him. He certainly throws the ball accurately, he does a lot of the things we expect well and we're working to improve on a lot of those things as well."

Orton is no stranger to close scrutiny, having faced it in his tenure with the Broncos and at times during his four years with the Bears. Dealing for Quinn gives McDaniels a project to mold and makes Orton's seat a few degrees warmer than it was when Chris Simms was backing him up.




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Old 03-20-2010, 03:50 AM   #2
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Not expecting much from Quinn now, or anytime for that matter.
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If Orton, who faded down the stretch after starting strong last season,
Huh? Significantly more yards and TDs in the 2nd half of the season last year compared to the first half of the season says otherwise.
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Huh? Significantly more yards and TDs in the 2nd half of the season last year compared to the first half of the season says otherwise.
I thought you were in the camp of yards and TDs didn't matter, only final scores?
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The passing game did improve considerably towards the end of the season, but the running game dropped off a cliff on both sides of the ball. that didn't help orton in 3rd down situations and the like.

I like this - we didn't give up much for Quinn so if he's only ever a backup that's not a disaster, however he does have that first-round pedigree so there still a potential upside there. Take a look at QBs like Vince young and Alex Smith - they're showing that sucking for the first few years does not necessarily mean you are a bust
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Yeah, I mean OTAs haven't even started yet. There's still time for Quinn to break something. Orton's hoping.
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The passing game did improve considerably towards the end of the season, but the running game dropped off a cliff on both sides of the ball. that didn't help orton in 3rd down situations and the like.

I like this - we didn't give up much for Quinn so if he's only ever a backup that's not a disaster, however he does have that first-round pedigree so there still a potential upside there. Take a look at QBs like Vince young and Alex Smith - they're showing that sucking for the first few years does not necessarily mean you are a bust
The passing game improved significantly down the stretch?

Are you crazy?

All Orton did...was lock onto a target and stay there the entire game....Marshall, Marshall, Marshall, Marshall...Gaffney, Gaffney, Gaffney.

What I think McDaniels is saying is that, they expect the QB to go through his reads and make the best decision every play. Orton did nothing more than lock onto his #1 and stay there. And in the process, he totally discounted other talents, such as Eddie Royal etc.

I think it's great to root for the under dog. Hey, Orton did hang in there. But, let's be real. This guy isn't lighting anything up and I absolutely love the fact that McDaniels went and got a guy that can push to start.

This should be great to watch. Orton either starts to evolve in terms of read progression or eventually Quinn will be given a shot.
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Huh? Significantly more yards and TDs in the 2nd half of the season last year compared to the first half of the season says otherwise.
It's amazing just how quick you are to defend mediocracy!
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I don't think Orton will get much better! Seeing him fall to the ground after barely getting bumped got old fast!! His imobility and horrible pocket awearness also got old! Orton is an average QB at best..Quinn still has the potential to be a solid starter!! I wonder how many games or how bad Orton has to play in order to give Quinn a shot??
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Basically it's Orton's job to lose. He's the starting QB until McD says so. It's a great move by McD, as much as I love what Orton brings to the table, he's got improve his game. Now, Josh can help him a lot by getting the running game going and solidifying the offensive line.

I think Orton's job is safe now.
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It's amazing just how quick you are to defend mediocracy!
Huh? Looks to me like he's debunking a factual inaccuracy.
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Should be exciting to have one QB who has already shown some promise in our system... and another who has some potential untapped ability. Add in Brandstater to that mix, and I think we've got an interesting crop of guys to compete for the gig.

I also expect Orton to show even more improvement next year. He's certainly got limitations, but can win with a complete team around him.
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I was hoping for some ground breaking news to go with the catchy title. Instead it's all old news pieced together to support a guy's opinion on the matter. Oh well.
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Huh? Looks to me like he's debunking a factual inaccuracy.
Are you suddenly ready to suck off Quinn as the starter after defending Orton for months?
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Are you suddenly ready to suck off Quinn as the starter after defending Orton for months?
How's Cassell working out for ya?
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Are you suddenly ready to suck off Quinn?
is your mouth watering dreaming of a certain situation
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what is the second conditional pick range. if quinn becomes the starter and has a stellar season what would we have to give up?
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How's Cassell working out for ya?
Cassel's a piece of ****. Thanks for asking.

When we draft Clausen this year I'll be laughing at your stockpile of retread quarterbacks.
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what is the second conditional pick range. if quinn becomes the starter and has a stellar season what would we have to give up?
No 100% rock solid word on that, but all reports indicate it at best will be a mid-round pick (4th or 5th), at worst a 7th (obviously).
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Cassel's a piece of ****. Thanks for asking.

When we draft Clausen this year I'll be laughing at your stockpile of retread quarterbacks.
That would be perfect. Clausen wasn't half as good as Quinn at ND. How you going to feel watching your team pay ~$17M a year combined for two QBs who both suck?
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That would be perfect. Clausen wasn't half as good as Quinn at ND. How you going to feel watching your team pay ~$17M a year combined for two QBs who both suck?
Clausen is a much more attractive prospect right now than Quinn was coming out of college.

By the way, if the Chiefs draft Clausen, Cassel will be gone within a year and won't see the last $30 million of his contract. I'm sure McDaniels will sign him off the scrap heap.
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I'm still waiting to see what exactly the second conditional pick will be about.
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If anything disappeared down the stretch last year it was the running offense and the running defense.


Kyle threw the ball to a lot of receivers, just not the ones everyone wanted: ie-Eddie Royal.

The only ones making plays were Marshall and Gaffney.

But the ball went around about as much as any other offense in the league.

The open guy is the open guy.

I dont care if Orton hits Marshall the whole game.

All I care about is whether he catches the ball and whether the offense is moving.
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I expect the threat to be real in August
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