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Old 03-19-2010, 07:48 PM   #1
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Default Demaryius "Bay-Bay" Thomas - If we lose Marshall (hopefully we don't), take this guy





Now, I know youtube videos can make Ashley Lelie look like Larry Fitzgerald, but what interests me is this guys size (6'3 1/2 and 230 pounds, beastly), he has 10 1/2 inch hands (huge), and he has good explosiveness. He burnt some CB's pretty bad and he gains good separation on deep routes.

The knock on him is that he is "raw", his route running needs to be brought up to NFL level, he didn't play in an NFL offense, and his separation in the shorter/mid routes need to be worked on (sounds like Marshall before he got drafted).

The main thing I want you to check on those videos are the routes he ran. Although they need to be cleaned up, some of those routes are very similar to what we run here in Denver. He's a great blocker and is great in the screen game.

He's the best WR since Calvin Johnson at GT, and if we lose Thomas I hope we're taking a look at this guy.

Dez Bryant will most likely not be drafted by us because of his character issues alone...
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Big guy with some good YAC skills. Looks like he's definitely got some potential.
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By the logic of most prognosticators, he just won't fit into our spots.

At 11, people seem to think it's too early to take him

Likely that he won't be there at 43. I dunno.

I like his ability a lot as well, and if he can really shape into a good WR, there's no such thing as "too early" in retrospect.
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By the logic of most prognosticators, he just won't fit into our spots.

At 11, people seem to think it's too early to take him

Likely that he won't be there at 43. I dunno.

I like his ability a lot as well, and if he can really shape into a good WR, there's no such thing as "too early" in retrospect.
Yeah, this is one of the issues. His stock has seemed to rise from late 2nd to 3rd to early 2nd.

He's definitely not an 11th pick.
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McDaniels has shown he's not afraid to maneuver up to get a guy he likes
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Is he fast enough to be a deep threat?
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Is he fast enough to be a deep threat?
Is Larry Fitzgerald?

The thing with Bay-Bay is that he has huge hands and he can snatch the ball out of the air... they compare him to Larry in THAT aspect (which is absurd because there is only one Larry).

His 40 time isn't great from what we have, and since he got injured we won't know how fast his 40 can be after he works on it, or his vertical.

His long strides are deceiving according to multiple scouting reports, and he gains separation as he goes deeper.
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Is he fast enough to be a deep threat?
I've seen reports that he's run a verified 4.38, but 4.55 seems like the time that teams are going on.

He has a broken foot that is reportedly going to be healed by OTA's.
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Now, I know youtube videos can make Ashley Lelie look like Larry Fitzgerald, but what interests me is this guys size (6'3 1/2 and 230 pounds, beastly), he has 10 1/2 inch hands (huge), and he has good explosiveness. He burnt some CB's pretty bad and he gains good separation on deep routes.

The knock on him is that he is "raw", his route running needs to be brought up to NFL level, he didn't play in an NFL offense, and his separation in the shorter/mid routes need to be worked on (sounds like Marshall before he got drafted).

The main thing I want you to check on those videos are the routes he ran. Although they need to be cleaned up, some of those routes are very similar to what we run here in Denver. He's a great blocker and is great in the screen game.

He's the best WR since Calvin Johnson at GT, and if we lose Thomas I hope we're taking a look at this guy.

Dez Bryant will most likely not be drafted by us because of his character issues alone...
If you're going to try and sell people on him, you need to mention his 25.1 ypc in 2009.
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If you're going to try and sell people on him, you need to mention his 25.1 ypc in 2009.
Wasn't really looking to see on stats or production, my focus was more on his attributes.

With that being said - 1100 rec yards on less than 50 receptions is high school esque stats.
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Wasn't really looking to see on stats or production, my focus was more on his attributes.

With that being said - 1100 rec yards on less than 50 receptions is high school esque stats.
Covering over a quarter of the football field per reception is a heck of an attribute.

I figured it needed to be added to this thread, as it's pretty impressive.

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I've seen reports that he's run a verified 4.38, but 4.55 seems like the time that teams are going on.

He has a broken foot that is reportedly going to be healed by OTA's.
I think we're going to need someone faster. We're missing a guy who can stretch the field deep.
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I think we're going to need someone faster. We're missing a guy who can stretch the field deep.
25.1 ypc is not enough stretching of the field?

You don't have to run a 4.3 40 to stretch the field.

Demaryius Thomas had a 50+ yard reception in 9 out of 13 games this year.

I bet he runs the 40 in the late 4.4s.
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25.1 ypc is not enough stretching of the field?

You don't have to run a 4.3 40 to stretch the field.

Demaryius Thomas had a 50+ yard reception in 9 out of 13 games this year.

I bet he runs the 40 in the late 4.4s.
How much of that is YAC though?
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How much of that is YAC though?
Are you saying you want to see more YAC from him or more deep balls?

I've yet to find a site where they list YAC for college players.

From what I have seen from him in games, as well as his video clips, YAC does not seem to be an issue, nor does catching the deep ball.

He's got a heck of a stiff-arm and uses his size and deceptive speed to keep defenders away from him.

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Still like this guy as a potential bargain boom/bust type.

6'5". Probably available in the middle rounds.
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I live right outside of Atlanta and have had the opportunity to see him play a lot, a few games live. He certainly is not worth the 11th pick, but as a second rounder, he'd be absolutely worth it. The reason his YPC is so high is that teams stack the box trying to stop the triple option, which gives Thomas the chance to beat them deep and catch them sleeping. Paul Johnson is a genius at knowing when to attack downfield and he made the best of those opportunities.
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Still like this guy as a potential bargain boom/bust type.

6'5". Probably available in the middle rounds.
Knee injuries have really hurt his stock.

He may not be 100% recovered from his latest knee surgery until around the time training camps start up.
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I live right outside of Atlanta and have had the opportunity to see him play a lot, a few games live. He certainly is not worth the 11th pick, but as a second rounder, he'd be absolutely worth it. The reason his YPC is so high is that teams stack the box trying to stop the triple option, which gives Thomas the chance to beat them deep and catch them sleeping. Paul Johnson is a genius at knowing when to attack downfield and he made the best of those opportunities.
What makes him worth a 2nd but not a 1st from what you've seen?
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Knee injuries have really hurt his stock.

He may not be 100% recovered from his latest knee surgery until around the time training camps start up.
Yea, and didn't have great speed to begin with.

But, he's huge, great hands and gets nice YAC. It's a real risk, but I think it would be great to have a huge WR with good hands for our modestly talented QB corps.
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Still like this guy as a potential bargain boom/bust type.

6'5". Probably available in the middle rounds.
Not only does he have knee issues. He's way too light. The dude has no muscle compared to Marshall. Marshall has 15 pounds on him and about 1/2 an inch less. I doubt the guy has quality YAC capabilities and toughness at the NFL level.
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I think if Bay Bay is there at 43 we should take him. The potential is definitely there.
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Been on board with getting this guy for a while.

If Marshall ends up getting traded, I think he's a very realistic target for us. Not at #11 though.

Speed is overrated in terms of being a good deep threat. The real thing you need is that ability to go up for the ball and get it when it's up for grabs between you and the CB. For all of Randy Moss' speed, the real thing that makes him such a terror is that if the ball is thrown anywhere near him he seems to find a way to adjust to it and get up there and catch the thing before the CB has a chance to make a play.

It's the one area of his on-field game that holds Marshall back from being truly elite IMO. If he added that to his game he's be pretty much unstoppable, and at 6ft 5' and with his power there should be no reason at all why he's not better at it.

Thomas does seem to have that element to his game, hope we find a way to make him a Bronco.
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Is he fast enough to be a deep threat?
Yes - Maylock thinks he a 4.4 guy and late first rounder.
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I think we're going to need someone faster. We're missing a guy who can stretch the field deep.
Speed is not the problem with Thomas, the question can he run the complete route tree, and how will he perform on his breaks within his routes - are the sharp or does he round them off.
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