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Old 03-18-2010, 08:52 PM   #1
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I got to thinkin about Quinn and his unimpressive welcome to the NFL.

I went to watching game tape-whatever I could find online-of him playing for Notre Dame and I came away really impressed. I mean, I didnt see anything that told me, "No, this guy is not going to cut it in the NFL."

In his sophomore and junior seasons at Notre Dame, he did as follows:

2005- 32 TDs vs 7 INTs

2006- 37 TDs vs 7 INTs

Over 60% completion rate, and his QB ratings were almost always over 120.

This happened with an offensive line that if you remember was lacking with the exception of Harris. a

He also used his legs to good gain.

So anyway, Im thinking.....why hasnt this guy paid off?

That got me thinking about who has coached him up to this point in the pros.

Heres the fun part.


2007

Rob Chudinski was named offensive coordinator for the Browns for the 2007 season by Crennel and Savage because his "presentation was impressive."

They never looked to the fact that Chud had only had a couple of years experience in the NFL, and then a few in college.....ALL at the TE position. He has never coached a quarterback in his life. Neither had headcoach Romeo Crennel.

So, they draft Quinn in the first round, and Quinn comes in 10 days late to camp due to contract negotiations, and Anderson gets the start over Frye.
Quinn falls behind, and never gets much attention cause Anderson is the starter.

Anderson does an impressive job, and moves to a 10-6 record on the year. Anderson is also named the starter for the following year.

2008

Anderson named starter, he plays the first 8 games going 3-5. Quinn is named the starter against the Denver Broncos. He plays well, but loses when Cutler throws 3 late TDs to win it.
Next game he engineers a win against the Bills, but breaks his finger on a helmet during the game. At Quinns insistence, he gets Crennel to let him try and play through it against the Texans, but cant overcome. He has season ending surgery.

2009
Coach Eric Mangini is named HC, and he brings in quarterback guru Brian Daboll to be OC. His QB coach is Carl Smith.......WHO?

Daboll never coached QBs until Mangini brought him on board with the Jets. He coached Pennington and Favre......um, like they needed coaching. BTW, they both had terrible years. After Mangini was fired by NY and hired by the Browns, Mangina brought Daboll to Cleveland last year to be OC of the Browns.
Carl Smith, QB coach for the Browns last year, has been in the league many years. He has coached everything from RBs, Oline, Dline, special teams, WRs and ....you get the picture. But as a quarterback coach or offensive coordinator, he has never done anything of note.
Never done anything of note with an offense or quarterback. Long list of accolades:

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1971 Cal Poly State University, graduate assistant
1972 University of Colorado, graduate assistant
1973 University of Colorado, linebackers coach
1974 University of Louisiana-Lafayette, defensive line coach
1975-76 University of Louisiana-Lafayette, defensive backs coach
1977-78 University of Louisiana-Lafayette, offensive coordinator/running backs coach
1979-80 Lamar University, offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach
1981 Lamar University, offensive coordinator/offensive line coach
1982 North Carolina State University, offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach
1983 Philadelphia Stars (USFL), special teams coach/tight ends coach
1984-85 Philadelphia/Baltimore Stars (USFL), quarterbacks/wide receivers coach
1986-96 New Orleans Saints, offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach
1997 New England Patriots, assistant head coach/quarterbacks coach
1998-99 New England Patriots, tight ends coach
2001-03 Cleveland Browns, quarterbacks coach
2004 University of Southern California, quarterbacks coach
2005-06 Jacksonville Jaguars, offensive coordinator

I list this out for you, because as you can see, he was so good, he could never hold the job for long. He knows nothing. Especially of modern quarterbacking. Look at the last 10 years in the league......fired from Jacksonville.......fired from USC.....Fired from Cleveland after guru-ing Tim Couch to a seat on your couch next to you.......demoted to TEs after being given a year with Bledsoe.

SOOOOOO................

Whats the point?


The point is, Brady has never had anyone with any real quarterback experience around him. No one.


Dont know about you, but that gives me a little hitch in my giddyup.

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Old 03-18-2010, 08:58 PM   #2
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So I will appreciate a guy who has not been coached?
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Good work

I got a hunch this Quinn guy is going to be something special for us and I thought that since last season when Josh first showed interest in him. Actually I thought that when he was falling in the draft until Cleveland traded up to get him.
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So I will appreciate a guy who has not been coached?
Pretty much. In Denver he'll get a chance to sit for a year and hone the skills that he had coming out of college but didn't get to develop in Cleveland.

I think the guy will have a helluva career in Denver.
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So I will appreciate a guy who has not been coached?




Yeah, thats what Im sayin oh wiseone.
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I am skeptical, but hopeful. A lot of teams passed on this guy on draft day for whatever reasons. The rap on the guy is that he's not the greatest locker room guy (there was that whole incident where Shaun Smith allegedly punched him in the locker room). But you've got to believe that a change of scenery might do a guy with that kind of rap some good. Whatever happened between him and Smith, he's older and wiser now, and has a tremendous opportunity in front of him. How great would it be for him to seize it and end up fulfilling all the promise he had coming into the league.
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Good work

I got a hunch this Quinn guy is going to be something special for us and I thought that since last season when Josh first showed interest in him. Actually I thought that when he was falling in the draft until Cleveland traded up to get him.
same with me baja...I wanted the guy last year, when we heard McD was interested in him...was a bummed we didn't go get him...but I think this was for the best, got him way cheaper...this guy could be real good for us with his arm and legs...let's go baby

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Old 03-18-2010, 09:44 PM   #9
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I am skeptical, but hopeful. A lot of teams passed on this guy on draft day for whatever reasons. The rap on the guy is that he's not the greatest locker room guy (there was that whole incident where Shaun Smith allegedly punched him in the locker room). But you've got to believe that a change of scenery might do a guy with that kind of rap some good. Whatever happened between him and Smith, he's older and wiser now, and has a tremendous opportunity in front of him. How great would it be for him to seize it and end up fulfilling all the promise he had coming into the league.


Listening to his presser today, he seems a lot more steady and mature.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=609

A little less full of himself than when he was a "STAR" at ND.

I liked what I heard, and hope he comes through.

As for Smith, hes a Dlineman.

I kinda like it that my QB was beefin it wit one of the big boys.
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I am skeptical, but hopeful. A lot of teams passed on this guy on draft day for whatever reasons. The rap on the guy is that he's not the greatest locker room guy (there was that whole incident where Shaun Smith allegedly punched him in the locker room). But you've got to believe that a change of scenery might do a guy with that kind of rap some good. Whatever happened between him and Smith, he's older and wiser now, and has a tremendous opportunity in front of him. How great would it be for him to seize it and end up fulfilling all the promise he had coming into the league.
could you imagine if he turned into a superstar, franchise qb for us...just another blow to the Browns, dealt by the might Broncos!!
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I think Quinn has what it takes and can go along way given the chance.

He does need to stay healthy. Freak injuries or not, that's two years in a row.

He also has to get reps. McDaniels needs to bite the bullet at some point and start him for good or bad...

He's going to make some mistakes and you just have to allow him some leeway. I think he's going to be a long ways behind Orton...but, it will come.
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watchin that vid gets me a little pumped...it's like a new toy you wanted for x-mas...you hope it lives up to the hype!
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I think Quinn has what it takes and can go along way given the chance.

He does need to stay healthy. Freak injuries or not, that's two years in a row.

He also has to get reps. McDaniels needs to bite the bullet at some point and start him for good or bad...

He's going to make some mistakes and you just have to allow him some leeway. I think he's going to be a long ways behind Orton...but, it will come.
Orton hasn't made it through 16 games the last couple of seasons - he just takes hits because of his immobility - I'm sure Quinn will get in a game or two
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....His QB coach is Carl Smith.......WHO?
Your argument in this excerpt would carry more weight if we gave him a better QB coach than Carl.

Quinn is just one of those guys that has always bugged me when he talks. Kinda like they are reading from the PC script of 'What a NFL QB should say'. I wished I liked him better outside the lines.

When he plays...I think he will do just well enough to convince people that he should start instead of Orton. Just not well enough to lead this team to the promised land.

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Your argument in this excerpt would carry more weight if we gave him a better QB coach than Carl.

Quinn is just one of those guys that has always bugged me when he talks. Kinda like they are reading from the PC script of 'What a NFL QB should say'. I wished I liked him better outside the lines.

When he plays...I think he will do just well enough to convince people that he should start instead of Orton. Just not well enough to lead this team to the promised land.

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Listening to his presser today, he seems a lot more steady and mature.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=609

A little less full of himself than when he was a "STAR" at ND.

I liked what I heard, and hope he comes through.

As for Smith, hes a Dlineman.

I kinda like it that my QB was beefin it wit one of the big boys.


It just seems like ND starting quarterbacks have their douchebag volume set on high...

That said, I am a big believer in giving a guy a fresh start. This is a great situation for a guy with his tools to be walking into.
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Thanks for the good research Warhorse, I look forward to seeing him on the field.
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Great take *WARHORSE*..good read...
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Your argument in this excerpt would carry more weight if we gave him a better QB coach than Carl.

You don't think Ben McDaniels is up to snuff?
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there's always the hope that comes with a player with any sort of potential. in the NFL the chances of a particular player becoming a star are just not good. could happen. i hope so, it would take the QB search problem out of the equation.. but i doubt it.
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I am skeptical, but hopeful. A lot of teams passed on this guy on draft day for whatever reasons. The rap on the guy is that he's not the greatest locker room guy (there was that whole incident where Shaun Smith allegedly punched him in the locker room). But you've got to believe that a change of scenery might do a guy with that kind of rap some good. Whatever happened between him and Smith, he's older and wiser now, and has a tremendous opportunity in front of him. How great would it be for him to seize it and end up fulfilling all the promise he had coming into the league.
I think Quinn is a very hard worker and attempts to hold people accountable. Difficult for a guy that's never shown anything and he probably doesn't have the good demeanor of a guy like Kyle Orton. Those are things that can be learned through experience. I think he'll come in to Denver with a bunch of "lessons learned" and I think we'll benefit greatly from a Brady Quinn with perspective. And really, even if he turns out to be Tim Couch 2.0, we have given up little in terms of compensation, the risk is low.

I've been an advocate for getting Quinn since we started discussing moving Cutler. I was hoping it would be Quinn we went after from the get go. He has the ability and the athleticism to really be good.
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So I will appreciate a guy who has not been coached?


Wow, you really missed the point of this thread, didn't you.
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Warhorse, you are the man. And this gets me excited.
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Quinn looks like he's been humbled by the NFL. He got humbled by the draft, then he got humbled by his play and experience in Cleveland. Right now, he looks like he's hungry and that's a good thing. A fresh start might be just what the doctor ordered and if McD sees something in him that he can mold, then that is fine with me. He's got the natural mechanics of an NFL QB, the question is, can he make the mental adjustments he needs to in order to run an offense and make plays with his arm?

We shall see.
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