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Old 03-08-2010, 05:06 PM   #1
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But it seems to me there's a big misunderstanding about RFA tenders, so maybe I'm wrong. You can't just sign someone to an offer sheet, the player has to sign the tender, right?
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Corrent?...


Nope a player doesn't have to sign his tender.
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But it seems to me there's a big misunderstanding about RFA tenders, so maybe I'm wrong. You can't just sign someone to an offer sheet, the player has to sign the tender, right?
Are you trying to confuse me more? I'd think a player can sign an offer sheet or the tender, but not both.
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Nope a player doesn't have to sign his tender.
If they don't sign, they sit out the season.
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are you trying to confuse me more? I'd think a player can sign an offer sheet or the tender, but not both.
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This question came out of the Dumervil thread, where people were asking why some team hadn't just signed him to a offer sheet yet, and it sounded like people were accounting for the fact that players can say no.
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Restricted Free Agents (RFA)

A Restricted Free Agent is an NFL player who is not under contract, but has only three years of NFL experience. The signing period for restricted free agents begins on March 2 and concludes on April 15. If his previous team has made him a Qualifying Offer, then that team has a right of first refusal on the player. This means the player may negotiate with other teams and receive an offer, however the previous team may agree to the offer that the player has received, in which case the player stays with his former team. Of course there are lots of games played, the prospective new team will attempt to structure the offer so that it is very unpalatable to the new team. For example, a team with a lot of cap room can offer a large salary and small signing bonus which is difficult for another team to match. Or a team with a very bad record can offer a large bonus based on winning 10 games, which would be unlikely to be earned on the new team but perhaps likely to be earned on the original team, thus making the offer have a large cap number.

There are three levels of Qualifying Offer. Each level has an associated salary which is part of the CBA. In 2005 the three qualifying offer levels are $656,000, $1.43M, and $1.9M.

If the team offers the player the lowest qualifying salary, then that's the player's salary if he gets no offers in free agency. If he gets an offer, his current team has a choice: they can match the offer exactly, or they can let the player go, in which case they will get a draft pick from the new team which is the same as the draft pick they used to get the player. If the player was selected in the 6th round, then the old team gets the new team's 6th round draft pick in the next year. If the player was undrafted, the old team gets no draft pick.

If the team offers the player the middle level salary, then that's the player's salary if he gets no offers. If he gets an offer, then the old team can match the offer. If they do not, then the old team gets a 1st round draft pick from the new team.

If the team offers the player the top level qualifying offer, then that's the player's salary if he gets no offers. If the old team does not match an offer, then they get a 1st round and a 3rd round draft pick from the new team.
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A player can sign an offer sheet OR they can sign a tender. They can't do both.
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This question came out of the Dumervil thread, where people were asking why some team hadn't just signed him to a offer sheet yet, and it sounded like people were accounting for the fact that players can say no.
The offer sheet is the new contract the player would have with the new team. If that is true a player can always say no to a contract.
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This question came out of the Dumervil thread, where people were asking why some team hadn't just signed him to a offer sheet yet, and it sounded like people were accounting for the fact that players can say no.


Well teams would have to give up a 1st and a 3rd this year.

Just looking at Marshall and his first round tender, it seems teams would rather work a deal than just give up the first rounder.
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A player can sign an offer sheet OR they can sign a tender. They can't do both.
Yup.

Player either gets a offer and signs his name and his old team can match the offer or take the picks.

But if the player gets no offer and isn't dealt....then he has no other option (besides holding out) but to sign his tender.
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Wait, are you asking if Dumervil has to sign his tender in order to be given a new contract by the Broncos? If that's your question I don't think it really matters. I think a player can sign a new contract with their club in lieu of the tender.
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I can't quite work out all the legal mumbojumbo, but there are some rules to this thing:

The team can downgrade any RFA tender to a right of first refusal tender until June 15th, after that the tender remains fixed.

RFAs can only be signed to offer sheets up to April the 17th, after that they can not be approached unless the prior club rescinds the tender.
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what the hell does corrent mean?
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So, all the Hawks have to do...is wait until April 15th. At that point they can trade for Marshall.

Why sign him to an offer sheet if it means giving up the #6 pick. They'd be fools.

They would be better off waiting until after that point and then trying to low ball the Broncos with a 2nd and 3rd round offer.
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So, all the Hawks have to do...is wait until April 15th. At that point they can trade for Marshall.

Why sign him to an offer sheet if it means giving up the #6 pick. They'd be fools.

They would be better off waiting until after that point and then trying to low ball the Broncos with a 2nd and 3rd round offer.
That's a big gamble that none of the other 30 teams pulls the trigger either before then or offers more in a trade.
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