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View Poll Results: What Do you take for Marshall if you're negotiating with Seattle?
One of the best receivers ever, to even contemplate a trade is insane 7 5.98%
Nothing less than seattle's #6 54 46.15%
First round pick, but I'd take #14 if they offered 45 38.46%
Actually just a 2nd and a 3rd would do fine - this is a good draft 9 7.69%
Marshall is a ticking time bomb - trade him at any price 2 1.71%
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Old 03-07-2010, 01:10 AM   #1
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Just curious to see what value people place on the guy - I've seen just about every possible opinion voiced about him, so I'm wondering if there's a majority view or if we're really divided on this.

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Old 03-07-2010, 01:17 AM   #2
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For the record, I'm genuinely unsure what i think about this. As of now, we have the right to insist on Seattle's #6 so we should theoretically get that or equal value in players or other picks.

No question I would rather have Marshall's talent on the field for us next season. However, if the guy reallywants to leave, given the amount of disruption he's caused over the years, do we really risk the distractions he may cause if we force him to stay. Its possible, that even if disgruntled he may be able to keep his mouth shut and stay out of trouble, on the other hand we could have an 8-game suspension on the cards...
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6th pick

or the 14th and an extra
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Old 03-07-2010, 01:27 AM   #4
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If the pick is outside the top 15 I think we need to get a player on the OL or DL with the pick. Someone who will be a rotational player at worst. Looking at our recent free agent moves and I think OG would be what we would be looking for.
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Old 03-07-2010, 01:36 AM   #5
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6th pick

or the 14th and an extra
Hmmm, the latter would be ok- maybe even better than the # 6 I voted for in this poll, depending of course on what that "extra" is!

BTW, is that post total of 197 a rollover from 100,000??
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Old 03-07-2010, 01:55 AM   #6
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For the record, I'm genuinely unsure what i think about this. As of now, we have the right to insist on Seattle's #6 so we should theoretically get that or equal value in players or other picks.
We aren't entitled to the #6 pick until the Seahawks sign him to an offer sheet.
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Old 03-07-2010, 02:30 AM   #7
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just because I'd rather not trade him for anything doesn't mean I think he's one of the best receivers ever. poll is terrible.
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Old 03-07-2010, 03:12 AM   #8
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I think the 14th would be fine. In fact, the Broncos might prefer the 14th considering the state of the CBA. Signing an offer sheet could just be a slick way for Seattle to get out of the top 10 and nab a pretty good player in the process.

Marshall's a really good player, but I believe in the team concept and if you continue to replace the "me" guys with the "team" guys, eventually you end up with a pretty good team.
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We aren't entitled to the #6 pick until the Seahawks sign him to an offer sheet.
Absolutley correct. However, if they want him, that is the starting point for negotiations as that is what, technically, we're entitled to should they sign him, so the question is, how far down do we negotiate from that (given that it seems unlikely they will be willing to give us that #6 for him).

Once they sign him to an offer sheet without a trade first there is no negotiation - we get the #6 (or match) and that's it - they can't then try to negotiate with us after that becuase that's when league rules take over. Now is the time to negotiate becuase with nothing having been signed no-one's entitled to anything just yet.

Of course, they also have to give Brandon a deal he'll appreciate, and that could be a sticking point also. Basically if they don't want to give brandon the money he wants OR we refuse to accept any less than the #6 we would technically be due then this deal could stall whatever Brandon thinks or wants.

The only leverage Seattle have, however, is that they can force a deal IF Brandon likes their offer AND they are prepared to give up #6. If they are not, then we are entirely at liberty to accept or reject any offer they make as we see fit and nothing needs to happen if we don't want it to.

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Old 03-07-2010, 03:54 AM   #10
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At this point, you basically need to take any reasonable offer that gets Marshall out of town. There is simply a huge risk involved with giving the kind of contract he wants when he has substantial baggage, is one misstep away from missing a significant portion of the season and has openly expressed his disdain for Denver.

Personally, I quantify a "reasonable" offer as a early to mid 1st round pick or a comparable player. Anything later or less than thought would require additional compensation either in picks or players.
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Old 03-07-2010, 04:03 AM   #11
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I took the 2nd and a 3rd pick in the upcoming draft. The Anquan Boldin trade recently completed seriously watered down the value of BM. Of course I will be more than happy if the Broncos can get better compensation but BM's past isn't working out favorably for his cause or more importantly the Broncos. Good luck Brandon but I don't want to see you in a Bronco uniform again.

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Old 03-07-2010, 04:06 AM   #12
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i say nothing lower than top half of the 1st round. or low 1st round paired with either player(s) and or additional pick(s)
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If we trade Marshall for Smith I'll be pissed. 6th or nothing.
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exactly,the 6th pick or nothing. no need for negotiating.
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Old 03-07-2010, 04:41 AM   #15
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I stick with what I have been saying all along - 2nd, 4th/5th and young player.
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At minimum, I think we should get two reasonably high (2nd/3rd) picks.

Ultimately, I'd prefer the #6.

I wish the poll was set up to select more than one choice.
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The only leverage Seattle have, however, is that they can force a deal IF Brandon likes their offer AND they are prepared to give up #6. If they are not, then we are entirely at liberty to accept or reject any offer they make as we see fit and nothing needs to happen if we don't want it to.
No, Seattle's real leverage is in the threat of Cincy, NYJ, or Baltimore signing him. They all have 1sts in the 20's. At that point #14 looks pretty good.

IF Seattle signs Marshall to an offer sheet then the #6 pick comes into play. Until then all we know is that unless we're getting something comparable to the last pick in the first round we're going to have Marshall back. That is the only real value attached to Marshall right now.
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Old 03-07-2010, 06:04 AM   #18
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It's funny, but even if we trade Marshall for the #6 pick, people need to understand we are trading one high risk for another. Denver would have to pay that #6 pick big money to an unproven player that could be easily bust in the NFL.

I wish Denver could trade Marshall for at least one other quality starter from another team. Trading him for draft pick(s) is just moving the risk around.
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This is very tricky for Denver and B-Marsh for a few reasons:
1) They need another suitor to step and create at least a little bit of a market
2) Arizona only got 3 and 4th round picks and had to send back a 5th -- that trade set the market.
3) B-Marsh has to sell another organization that he's beyond his immature past
4) Denver HAS TO BE SURE that they get playmaker(s) in return. Getting 3rd and 4th round picks would be a bit of a buzz kill.

I think this deal could take more than a week to work itself out as we wait to see what kind of market (beyond Seattle) is out there. I don't see Seattle making a desperate play and just blindly signing an offer sheet unless another team emerges with serious interest to drive up the market.
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No, Seattle's real leverage is in the threat of Cincy, NYJ, or Baltimore signing him. They all have 1sts in the 20's. At that point #14 looks pretty good.
Baltimore got their guy. With Braylon Edwards in play, I don't see the NYJ as real suitors. The Jets have already been very active the past 2 seasons.

Cincinnati makes some sense. Hopefully they step up and drive up the value.
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Who else is Marshall due to visit?
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If we're only getting picks, there has to be a first rounder. I would have no issue with #14 and a fifth or 6th rounder.

I would also have no problem getting a couple of early picks and a proven player. The 2nd and 3rd round picks and Branch is intriguing to me. This is a great draft to have extra selections in that range, and Branch would be a solid addition. It's a less flashy move than getting #6, but it's also probably a safer bet.

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Depends on who we are dealing with. If it is Seattle, I would be happy with a 2nd and 3rd. Those picks are both high in their respective rounds. Their value is the equivalent of the 23rd pick in the 1st round and they would give us a lot more leverage to move up or down than the #6 or #14 pick would, since those tend to be pretty tough to trade out of.
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I think BMarsh has turned the corner and will be a consistent 10/12 TDs a year WR. That's the production we need to replace not his 100 catches.

Guys like Royal and Gaffney and another WR from the draft can probably catch the balls needed as witnessed by the last KC game but did anyone think that Gaffney was a threat to score from anywhere on the field. He did put up some gaudy numbers in that game.



A number one WR is a guy who can beat one on one and score from anywhere on the field at any moment. BMarsh is that guy

That will be hard to replace unless the team takes a chance on Dez

At this point I think Denver is moving him soley to clean up the lockerroom but we need a 1st. 2nd and a 4th for a 25 year old Pro Bowl WR would make this FO look worst than the ZO trade.
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I'd tell Seattle Marshall for 6th pick

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Marshall and #11 for #6 #14
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