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Old 02-26-2010, 11:19 AM   #1
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"We're going to work hard on power and those type of lifts," Broncos coach Josh McDaniels said Thursday. "Power and strength. The power aspect of it, we're going to work mass with some of our bigger guys. The first six games of the season, we ran the ball and stopped the run."

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Old 02-26-2010, 11:26 AM   #2
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Good. Though I'd like to see what Mediator thinks. I don't think our late season fade was due only to conditioning but stale and predictable play-calling and bad gameplanning were a factor too. (and I'm a McD supporter)
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I'd like to hear Med's opinion because it seemed that teams figured out McD in the second half of the season and the Broncos being "smaller" made it even worse.
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Is Tuten still our conditioning and strength coach?
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Old 02-26-2010, 11:41 AM   #5
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I think the primary reason we collapse is our lack of talent
By the second half of the season teams know what we are doing

It is harder to outscheme teams when they have several games worth of film to break down your tendencies
I think adding more talent on the lines will go a long way in preventing us from getting gashed on defense at the end of the year like we have become accustomed to
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Old 02-26-2010, 11:42 AM   #6
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Good. Though I'd like to see what Mediator thinks. I don't think our late season fade was due only to conditioning but stale and predictable play-calling and bad gameplanning were a factor too. (and I'm a McD supporter)
In past seasons, one could point to key injuries as one of the factors in a late-season swoon. Last year the team was relatively healthy...
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Old 02-26-2010, 12:09 PM   #7
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Talent.


We need better players.

We played over our heads the first half, and ran into some injuries and bad luck in the second half.

I'm glad we're working on conditioning... but we need better football players at several key positions. It's very simple.

But, it's early in the cycle of a rebuild, so we'll see what happens.
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Old 02-26-2010, 12:41 PM   #8
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Seriously. That is some bs. By the time most football players get to the pro's they have certainly done all the different types of lifting possible. Get better football players.
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Hopefully McDaniels wants to build a strong physical team, more than he's doing it because of our mid-season collapse. Lifting weights don't give you more stamina and the endurance you need like cardio and running type workouts would.

We've had plenty players on the roster capable of going in and out to relieve other players. I don't remember seeing any kind of rotation to keep guys fresh other than the normal downs substitutions.

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Talent.


We need better players.

We played over our heads the first half, and ran into some injuries and bad luck in the second half.

I'm glad we're working on conditioning... but we need better football players at several key positions. It's very simple.

But, it's early in the cycle of a rebuild, so we'll see what happens.
there you go that makes all the BS simple . Good for you . It is so close to a total rebuild at this point and fans need to get real. I did not want a total rebuild but now I will be damn happy 2 years from now ....but IMO we will not win a game next year but I am really not mad if we are building a big strong team that will not be pushed around by anyone . We should of done this after Al wilson got hurt .I even started a thread back then that we should do what we are doing now.
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We got friggin owned the second half at the POA. Once opposing teams figured out that they could run on our nickel package, it was over. The Oline had injuries and sucked up the middle.

We need talent more than conditioning, but I will settle for a team that at least trains hard.
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I don't know. Teams don't have Players Only meetings to say "Man, why didn't we work out harder in the off-season? Let's all do sit-ups for the next hour!"

He blames conditioning and toughness, then fields players like Ankle Tattoo, or McKinnley who gets the ball then goes into the fetal position.

Having said that, if McDaniels wants to condition them harder, I think that's a great idea. I applaud him.

But please get the pussies off the roster first.
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I don't know. Teams don't have Players Only meetings to say "Man, why didn't we work out harder in the off-season? Let's all do sit-ups for the next hour!"

He blames conditioning and toughness, then fields players like Ankle Tattoo, or McKinnley who gets the ball then goes into the fetal position.

Having said that, if McDaniels wants to condition them harder, I think that's a great idea. I applaud him.

But please get the pussies off the roster first.
McD got a roster full of crap on the D side of the football . so..........

The GM Side McD has been money ! I will give him full credit !
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I'd like to hear Med's opinion because it seemed that teams figured out McD in the second half of the season and the Broncos being "smaller" made it even worse.
Everyone has everyone else figured out by the second half, and when that time came our lines just couldn't hold up.

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Hopefully McDaniels wants to build a strong physical team, more than he's doing it because of our mid-season collapse. Lifting weights don't give you more stamina and the endurance you need like cardio and running type workouts would.

We've had plenty players on the roster capable of going in and out to relieve other players. I don't remember seeing any kind of rotation to keep guys fresh other than the normal downs substitutions.
I think his point is that strong, powerful teams don't wear down like smaller finesse teams do, hence the goal to make the team bigger and stronger.

Its all a moot point if we don't find a legit difference maker on the DL and a couple good OL upgrades over Hamilton and Weigmann though. Massive weak spots from last season right there that have to be fixed.
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Come on McD it's nothing that doubling the amount of pads we wear in practice won't take care of.
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Good. Though I'd like to see what Mediator thinks. I don't think our late season fade was due only to conditioning but stale and predictable play-calling and bad gameplanning were a factor too. (and I'm a McD supporter)
i don't know, i mean look at Pittsburgh the 1st season Tomlin took over. by the end of the season both Rothlesberger and Paulumaulu were on record as saying they were exhauseted, just like the rest of the team. they went through rigorous practices in mini camps and Tranining camp and by the end of the season were burnt out.

we all know McDaniels ran a much harder camp than Mike ever did, and while i don't think it is the only reason in the collapse, it probably is at least a little responsible.
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Everyone has everyone else figured out by the second half, and when that time came our lines just couldn't hold up.



I think his point is that strong, powerful teams don't wear down like smaller finesse teams do, hence the goal to make the team bigger and stronger.

Its all a moot point if we don't find a legit difference maker on the DL and a couple good OL upgrades over Hamilton and Weigmann though. Massive weak spots from last season right there that have to be fixed.
That's where I was going. I think they DID wear down because we were obviously more succesful at running the ball and defending it in the first half of the season and we had pretty much the same players in there. Of course we need to get better players, but why did these guys struggle so much with something they had been doing relatively well just a month before? Conditioning had to be a factor. Obviously McD thinks so too.
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That's where I was going. I think they DID wear down because we were obviously more succesful at running the ball and defending it in the first half of the season and we had pretty much the same players in there. Of course we need to get better players, but why did these guys struggle so much with something they had been doing relatively well just a month before? Conditioning had to be a factor. Obviously McD thinks so too.
I thought we stopped being able to run the ball when Harris went down. I don't know, maybe I'm not remembering correctly but didn't the O-Line suck ass at run blocking after that? From what I saw it was the Offense's inability to move the ball that cost us many of those games. Couldn't pick up a yard when we needed two, couldn't even sustain a drive when the D did get stops or turnovers.
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lol some of you idiots keep on hating - EVERY team goes through the same process of making changes just like these.

By what some of you are saying - since they're pro's and everything - we should just not worry about that aspect of football and just worry about getting better players. I think what some of you guys don't realize is something called DETAIL.

No one is saying this is going to change everything - it's just one of the DETAILS/aspects that will contribute to it.

The level of stupidity going on here is second to none.
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In past seasons, one could point to key injuries as one of the factors in a late-season swoon. Last year the team was relatively healthy...
Where in the 5 posts above yours did anyone mention injuries? (Including the quoted article & McD blurb)
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This is hilarious because they run this exact same article every off season about how Tuten has some great new work out program so they won't fade and low and behold they always do so it's either Tuten or??
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Ryan Harris was a key injury. We don't have to have a lot of injuries to upset chemistry. A key loss on the offensive line was enough to start upsetting the apple cart...
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Everyone has everyone else figured out by the second half, and when that time came our lines just couldn't hold up.



I think his point is that strong, powerful teams don't wear down like smaller finesse teams do, hence the goal to make the team bigger and stronger.

Its all a moot point if we don't find a legit difference maker on the DL and a couple good OL upgrades over Hamilton and Weigmann though. Massive weak spots from last season right there that have to be fixed.
It has been this way for far too long
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This is hilarious because they run this exact same article every off season about how Tuten has some great new work out program so they won't fade and low and behold they always do so it's either Tuten or??
i truthfully think the entire strength and conditioning staff needs to be replaced.
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