Which 2nd year player will make the biggest jump in 2010? - The Orange Mane

montrose · 02-18-2010, 11:45 AM

Positive Thread!

TheElusiveKyleOrton · 02-18-2010, 11:47 AM

Love it.

Honestly, I think it's Ayers. I think he's going to fly out of the gate and have a great 2010 season.

I think Moreno will be pretty good too, but I think that the guy who led all rookies in rushing actually had a pretty good rookie year, that's how much of a moron I am.

I think Ayers has the biggest jump.

I think we might be waiting and hoping for Alphonso in year three, unfortunately.

Baba Booey · 02-18-2010, 11:47 AM

I voted for Moreno with the hope that we can improve the interior line and really get him going. My second choice would be McBath. I really liked what I saw from him.

montrose · 02-18-2010, 11:49 AM

Probably should answer my own thread. I actually have high hopes for most of these guys. I think Moreno's going to make the greatest impact because his knee will be healthy, the OL (hopefully) better and a system with coaching that better fits his skill set.

With that, I like Smith (suprise!) to make the biggest jump in his second year. The game was coming too fast for him as a rookie but I like his work ethic and mindset, and I do believe that with experience he'll be an absolute ballhawk. I like Smith to make a major impact next season, go Broncos!

bap454 · 02-18-2010, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by montrose

Positive Thread!

I agree, we definately need a positive thread. In reallity theres not a wrong answer. They were all a major disapointments...cant really get anyworse, right?

Dagmar · 02-18-2010, 11:50 AM

I think Alphonso proves his worth next year.

Broncosfreak_56 · 02-18-2010, 11:50 AM

Every week it seemed ayers was close to making a big play. I think he will bring it next year.

ColoradoDarin · 02-18-2010, 11:51 AM

Knowshon - because we'll upgrade the line.

montrose · 02-18-2010, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ThatOneDenverMooseGuy

Love it.

Honestly, I think it's Ayers. I think he's going to fly out of the gate and have a great 2010 season.

I think Moreno will be pretty good too, but I think that the guy who led all rookies in rushing actually had a pretty good rookie year, that's how much of a moron I am.

I think Ayers has the biggest jump.

He was playing a lot better to me late in the season, I'm not sure he'll ever be a dominate sack guy but I could see him as a really solid member of the defense. I don't think there was another player on the team who had to adjust as much as he did, not only going from college to the NFL but DE to OLB. He would be my #3 behind Smith and Quinn.

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Originally Posted by McNeckbeard

My second choice would be McBath. I really liked what I saw from him.

Dude looks like a stud, that pick against Manning was sweet. I'm not sure he'll be starting this year with Dawk and Hill still here but I think he'll be a key contributor to our defense in some packages and be a starter in the future.

montrose · 02-18-2010, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bap454

They were all a major disapointments...cant really get anyworse, right?

Of course it could've been worse. Knowshon could've not led rookies in rushing, Ayers could've been inactive week-to-week, McBath could've looked like crap instead of awesome when he played and Bruton could've not been our best ST player.

Doggcow · 02-18-2010, 11:56 AM

Moreno doesn't have tons of room for improvement imo, the Oline does though. Fonzie will be better this year.

TheElusiveKyleOrton · 02-18-2010, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bap454

I agree, we definately need a positive thread. In reallity theres not a wrong answer. They were all a major disapointments...cant really get anyworse, right?

Ahem:

I respectfully disagree.

Beantown Bronco · 02-18-2010, 12:07 PM

This is a great poll IMO. All of these guys, with the exception of perhaps Moreno, have the potential to do FAR more than they did this past season. And some guys in particular, like Quinn and McKinley, could be asked to do quite a bit this year if the guys ahead of them (namely Schef and Marshall) move on in trades.

The favorites are probably Smith and Ayers, just because of where they were selected in the draft and what is expected of them compared to the other guys. I'll go with Ayers, mostly because of what I and some others saw of him this season when it appeared that often he was just a half step slower than Dumervil in getting to the QB. If he can simply tweak his game a little bit and if Doom stays healthy, he could find himself on the receiving end of those sacks.

jhat01 · 02-18-2010, 12:13 PM

I voted for Smith. I'm hoping he's going to be our nickel guy. I think Ayers improves as well, but like Montrose, I don't know if he's gona be a big time sack guy. Knowshon had a good year. I think he will be conditioned for the "grind" a lot better next year. The kid took a pounding and played through several dings. YOu gotta love his work ethic.

The ST contributions we got from the safeties were very, very good and they got a chance to learn behind one of the best. I can't wait!

Rabb · 02-18-2010, 12:20 PM

I think Moreno is going to play with a chip on his shoulder this year, and improve some of the little things that will make a big change

ColoradoBuff · 02-18-2010, 12:31 PM

I think Moreno will make the biggest step with McD moving to a power running attack. I look for a big year next year from Moreno. But I also see Ayers and Smith making considerable contributions!

Swedish Extrovert · 02-18-2010, 12:36 PM

Ayers - he has nowhere to go but up.

gyldenlove · 02-18-2010, 12:38 PM

Ayers and it won't even be close.

Defensive linemen and pass rushers always take a little longer to get into the league than many other positions and Ayers as has been said already was just lacking half a step or a step on many occasions. I think with another year, good coaching by Wink and some more mental reps in front of the video he should be ready to really bust out and do some damage.

You could say Al Smith based on his woeful performance in 09, it can only go one way right? but I think in terms of performance Ayers will outperform Smith by miles.

BroncoBuff · 02-18-2010, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MightySmurf

Ayers - he has nowhere to go but up.

Along those lines, I voted Quinn. With zero catches 2009, there's also nowhere to go but up.

baja · 02-18-2010, 12:47 PM

"Improve the most" is the key here.

I like McBath here because he is starting at zero and we will need a safety to step up next year.

Hamrob · 02-18-2010, 12:50 PM

I hope they all do. We spent alot on those first 5 guys, so they have to pay off. They were all rookies and did pretty well. Even Quinn did o.k. on special teams. And even though I've been tough on Smith...the kid has the talent...it's just putting it all together on the field.

I think it will be Moreno. He was a stud in college and really didn't know what he was getting himself in to. Now he's experienced it. I say he rushes for 1300+yds and has a 4.5yd per carry season with 10 TD's.

Hamrob · 02-18-2010, 12:54 PM

I guess the main positive I see right now...is that all 5 of our first choices last year...still have a shot at being good.

Certainly couldn't say that about Moss and/or who was the guy selected after him?

broncosteven · 02-18-2010, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

This is a great poll IMO. All of these guys, with the exception of perhaps Moreno, have the potential to do FAR more than they did this past season. And some guys in particular, like Quinn and McKinley, could be asked to do quite a bit this year if the guys ahead of them (namely Schef and Marshall) move on in trades.

The favorites are probably Smith and Ayers, just because of where they were selected in the draft and what is expected of them compared to the other guys. I'll go with Ayers, mostly because of what I and some others saw of him this season when it appeared that often he was just a half step slower than Dumervil in getting to the QB. If he can simply tweak his game a little bit and if Doom stays healthy, he could find himself on the receiving end of those sacks.

I am hoping it is Ayers, I didn't see the promise others here did in him last year but I hope he can be a force in some aspect of the D.

BTW is Ayers supposed to be a pass rusher or run stopper or jack of all trades?

I couldn't get a read on what this guy was good at because he made no impact and it is hard to see on TV.

outdoor_miner · 02-18-2010, 01:08 PM

Good thread. I said Knowshon, although it was tough between he and Ayers. Yes - he did pretty good his first year. BUT - I'm hopeful that next year, we'll all be thinking: "THAT'S why we spent the #12 pick on a running back." Comparing his college tape to what I saw on the field, I think he hasn't come close to performing at the level he can. At least - I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

broncowill · 02-18-2010, 01:08 PM

Well Smith Ayers and Moreno will probably be the only ones playing enough to do anything but I'll go with Ayers

View Poll Results: Who improves the most in 2010?
Knowshon Moreno	50	29.59%
Robert Ayers	62	36.69%
Alphonso Smith	26	15.38%
Darcel McBath	20	11.83%
David Bruton	4	2.37%
Richard Quinn	5	2.96%
Kenny McKinley	0	0%
Other	2	1.18%
Voters: 169. You may not vote on this poll

02-18-2010, 11:47 AM	#2
TheElusiveKyleOrton www.dailydickpunch.com @RMoneyBadger Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Steamboat Springs Posts: 9,772 Adopt-a-Bronco: "Debo" Franklin	Love it. Honestly, I think it's Ayers. I think he's going to fly out of the gate and have a great 2010 season. I think Moreno will be pretty good too, but I think that the guy who led all rookies in rushing actually had a pretty good rookie year, that's how much of a moron I am. I think Ayers has the biggest jump. I think we might be waiting and hoping for Alphonso in year three, unfortunately. __________________ Nobody puts Jay-bee in the corner.

02-18-2010, 12:13 PM	#14
jhat01 Ring of Famer Knuckle Dragging Homer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Langley, VA Posts: 1,799	I voted for Smith. I'm hoping he's going to be our nickel guy. I think Ayers improves as well, but like Montrose, I don't know if he's gona be a big time sack guy. Knowshon had a good year. I think he will be conditioned for the "grind" a lot better next year. The kid took a pounding and played through several dings. YOu gotta love his work ethic. The ST contributions we got from the safeties were very, very good and they got a chance to learn behind one of the best. I can't wait! Last edited by jhat01; 02-18-2010 at 12:32 PM..

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02-18-2010, 11:45 AM	#1
montrose Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 6,095 Adopt-a-Bronco: VP John Elway	Which 2nd year player will make the biggest jump in 2010? Positive Thread!

02-18-2010, 11:47 AM	#3
Baba Booey twitter: @dpieza HURRY HURRY! Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: North of the Wall Posts: 2,050 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	I voted for Moreno with the hope that we can improve the interior line and really get him going. My second choice would be McBath. I really liked what I saw from him.

02-18-2010, 11:49 AM	#4
montrose Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 6,095 Adopt-a-Bronco: VP John Elway	Probably should answer my own thread. I actually have high hopes for most of these guys. I think Moreno's going to make the greatest impact because his knee will be healthy, the OL (hopefully) better and a system with coaching that better fits his skill set. With that, I like Smith (suprise!) to make the biggest jump in his second year. The game was coming too fast for him as a rookie but I like his work ethic and mindset, and I do believe that with experience he'll be an absolute ballhawk. I like Smith to make a major impact next season, go Broncos!

02-18-2010, 11:50 AM	#6
Dagmar ...there ain't no devil ..there's just God when he's drunk. Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Morrison Posts: 17,132 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tim Tebow	I think Alphonso proves his worth next year.

02-18-2010, 11:50 AM	#7
Broncosfreak_56 Concrete Cyanide Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lakewood Posts: 1,559 Adopt-a-Bronco: Knowshon Moreno	Every week it seemed ayers was close to making a big play. I think he will bring it next year.

02-18-2010, 11:51 AM	#8
ColoradoDarin Ring of Famer AFCW Champs! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: St Augustine, FL Posts: 5,523 Adopt-a-Bronco: Knowshon's Shoe	Knowshon - because we'll upgrade the line.

02-18-2010, 11:56 AM	#11
Doggcow Rebel Laughs At Unbelievers Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 8,298 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Moreno doesn't have tons of room for improvement imo, the Oline does though. Fonzie will be better this year.

02-18-2010, 12:07 PM	#13
Beantown Bronco Athletic Supporter Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mass Posts: 19,040 Adopt-a-Bronco: Matt Prater	This is a great poll IMO. All of these guys, with the exception of perhaps Moreno, have the potential to do FAR more than they did this past season. And some guys in particular, like Quinn and McKinley, could be asked to do quite a bit this year if the guys ahead of them (namely Schef and Marshall) move on in trades. The favorites are probably Smith and Ayers, just because of where they were selected in the draft and what is expected of them compared to the other guys. I'll go with Ayers, mostly because of what I and some others saw of him this season when it appeared that often he was just a half step slower than Dumervil in getting to the QB. If he can simply tweak his game a little bit and if Doom stays healthy, he could find himself on the receiving end of those sacks.

02-18-2010, 12:20 PM	#15
Rabb Zombie Slayer Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 5,258 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	I think Moreno is going to play with a chip on his shoulder this year, and improve some of the little things that will make a big change

02-18-2010, 12:31 PM	#16
ColoradoBuff Ring of Famer In Manning We Trust...... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Where the buffalo roam.... Posts: 2,002 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brian Dawkins	I think Moreno will make the biggest step with McD moving to a power running attack. I look for a big year next year from Moreno. But I also see Ayers and Smith making considerable contributions!

02-18-2010, 12:36 PM	#17
Swedish Extrovert President of the Universe Formerly known as mightysmurf Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Highlands Ranch Posts: 14,945 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joel Dreesen	Ayers - he has nowhere to go but up.

02-18-2010, 12:38 PM	#18
gyldenlove Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London, ON Posts: 10,026 Adopt-a-Bronco: Spencer Larsen	Ayers and it won't even be close. Defensive linemen and pass rushers always take a little longer to get into the league than many other positions and Ayers as has been said already was just lacking half a step or a step on many occasions. I think with another year, good coaching by Wink and some more mental reps in front of the video he should be ready to really bust out and do some damage. You could say Al Smith based on his woeful performance in 09, it can only go one way right? but I think in terms of performance Ayers will outperform Smith by miles.

02-18-2010, 12:47 PM	#20
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,869 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	"Improve the most" is the key here. I like McBath here because he is starting at zero and we will need a safety to step up next year.

02-18-2010, 12:50 PM	#21
Hamrob All-American! All-American! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: DFW Posts: 4,747 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	I hope they all do. We spent alot on those first 5 guys, so they have to pay off. They were all rookies and did pretty well. Even Quinn did o.k. on special teams. And even though I've been tough on Smith...the kid has the talent...it's just putting it all together on the field. I think it will be Moreno. He was a stud in college and really didn't know what he was getting himself in to. Now he's experienced it. I say he rushes for 1300+yds and has a 4.5yd per carry season with 10 TD's.

02-18-2010, 12:54 PM	#22
Hamrob All-American! All-American! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: DFW Posts: 4,747 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	I guess the main positive I see right now...is that all 5 of our first choices last year...still have a shot at being good. Certainly couldn't say that about Moss and/or who was the guy selected after him?

02-18-2010, 01:08 PM	#24
outdoor_miner Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,098 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Good thread. I said Knowshon, although it was tough between he and Ayers. Yes - he did pretty good his first year. BUT - I'm hopeful that next year, we'll all be thinking: "THAT'S why we spent the #12 pick on a running back." Comparing his college tape to what I saw on the field, I think he hasn't come close to performing at the level he can. At least - I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

02-18-2010, 01:08 PM	#25
broncowill Rookie New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 52 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Well Smith Ayers and Moreno will probably be the only ones playing enough to do anything but I'll go with Ayers