Would you trade Champ to sign Wilfork? - The Orange Mane

ZONA · 02-06-2010, 01:10 AM

Was thinking about this. Probably the only way we could afford Wilfork is if we dumped Champs contract by trading him away. I know Champ is a big time favorite but Wilfork is a huge impact player right in the middle of the line, where we need help the most. I can't say I would be in favor of it unless we got a sweet pick or something for Champ, like a 2nd rounder, and then of course Wilfork signed. I would maybe do it.

Vladimir · 02-06-2010, 01:14 AM

I would be torn if this was true.. Champ being my favorite player I would hate to see him playing for anyone else but I also love the Broncos as a team and if we could get a 2nd round pick for champ and sign Wilfork... It would be hard to say no.

24champ · 02-06-2010, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ZONA

Probably the only way we could afford Wilfork is if we dumped Champs contract by trading him away.

Broncos can afford both.

How about this cool idea...why not add Wilfork and keep Champ Bailey?!

Killericon · 02-06-2010, 01:23 AM

Champ will probably restructure, but I tell you this much, the Pats can certainly afford him once they cut Adalius Thomas.

Florida_Bronco · 02-06-2010, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by 24champ

Broncos can afford both.

How about this cool idea...why not add Wilfork and keep Champ Bailey?!

Absolutely. We have tons of cap room and could fit bit of them with little if any trouble.

extralife · 02-06-2010, 03:25 AM

I think there's a growing sense that we just don't have the kind of money to throw around at people in free agency anymore. I don't think we sign any name players, not even the NE ones. At the same time, if we don't do something significant with the D line at least, McD will be under some real heat.

Schism · 02-06-2010, 04:52 AM

He'll probably be franchised, so it's a moot point really.

That said, I don't think it'd be a smart move. Champ is the epitome of a team-first kind of player, he's the exact kind of guy from a character standpoint that McD has been adamant about bringing in since he got here. Dumping him for a 2nd round pick kind of flies in the face of everything he's been trying to establish since he became HC, especially when you're using the money to bring in a guy like Wilfork, who is essentially a complete mercenary and has more or less admitted as much.

elsid13 · 02-06-2010, 04:56 AM

I rather keep Champ, draft Dan Williams or Cam Thomas and let Chris Baker/Marcus Thomas develop.

Beantown Bronco · 02-06-2010, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Florida_Bronco

Absolutely. We have tons of cap room and could fit bit of them with little if any trouble.

Ummmm, so could 31 other teams in a capless year......just sayin.

Beantown Bronco · 02-06-2010, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by McSchism

He'll probably be franchised, so it's a moot point really.

Why is it a moot point? The scenario presented in this thread is a trade for Wilfork. You do realize that teams can franchise tag their players and then trade them for whatever compensation they want, don't you? They're not locked into anything.

Schism · 02-06-2010, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Why is it a moot point? The scenario presented in this thread is a trade for Wilfork. You do realize that teams can franchise tag their players and then trade them for whatever compensation they want, don't you? They're not locked into anything.

Nobody mentioned a trade regarding Wilfork.

Depends on compensation, but I'd be wary of giving Wilfork huge money on top of giving up a high pick for him. Guy is talking like a man who just wants to be paid. He's achieved everything he's ever going to as a player, with his weight problems he's a long way from a sure thing.

I'd rather draft a younger, hungrier NT like Dan Williams. (that'd be one hell of an eating contest though.)

Broncoman13 · 02-06-2010, 07:20 AM

If Wilfork is willing to work for a one year contract in Denver then go for it, but I am guessing he'd rather play for a SB contender if he's going to have to sign a one year deal. I fully expect he'll be a Jet. Uncapped year coming up and they'll be forced into putting a lot of their money into one player as they were a playoff team and are only losing three or four of their own, which means they can only sign one or two free agents. What a mess.

Drek · 02-06-2010, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Ummmm, so could 31 other teams in a capless year......just sayin.

The 8 best teams are actually only allowed to spend a dollar to dollar for what they lose.

So Baltimore, Arizona, Dallas, San Diego, NYJ, Minnesota, New Orleans, and Indy are all playing like they where dead on with the cap last year and only freed up money can now be spent.

As for the question at hand: No. What would be the point in that? Champ is essential for this defense to be good and he's got the athleticism, football IQ, and pedigree (having came up under Daryl Green) to play for a long time to come. He just had one of his better seasons to date. Replacing one elite talent with another isn't how you get better.

Thankfully we've got a ton of dead money and the like that Bowlen is no longer going to be accountable for. If there was a cap we'd be about $30M under it, before restructuring or releasing anyone.

The FO might still play it close to the vest financially because a lockout looks very possible, but if there is someone we really want the funds will be there to make it happen.

peacepipe · 02-06-2010, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ZONA

Was thinking about this. Probably the only way we could afford Wilfork is if we dumped Champs contract by trading him away. I know Champ is a big time favorite but Wilfork is a huge impact player right in the middle of the line, where we need help the most. I can't say I would be in favor of it unless we got a sweet pick or something for Champ, like a 2nd rounder, and then of course Wilfork signed. I would maybe do it.

no, Bowlen can keep Champ & sign Wilfork. I wouldn't call a 2nd rounder a sweet pick for champ. Champ should retire a Bronco & go in the HOF as a Bronco.

TotallyScrewed · 02-06-2010, 08:10 AM

Depends...Is this team rebuildiing?

If so, yes. Get what you can for Champ. He's entering, or maybe already in, that phase of the career where he's slowing down or more injury prone. Get what you can while you can.

If no, then no. Add Wilfork for a run at the prize. Champ is still good enough if the D-line will stop giving QB's that comfy feeling.

Beantown Bronco · 02-06-2010, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Drek

The 8 best teams are actually only allowed to spend a dollar to dollar for what they lose.

So Baltimore, Arizona, Dallas, San Diego, NYJ, Minnesota, New Orleans, and Indy are all playing like they where dead on with the cap last year and only freed up money can now be spent.

Like I said, 31 other teams. All of those teams are easily able to shed enough money from their current rosters to sign Wilfork.

Warner - gone....right there is what, $12 mil or so for this year?
Tomlinson - gone...
Minn - Favre
NO - Bush

This is with zero research. I'm sure the other teams could easily not resign the one or two players needed to free up the cash to sign Wilfork. Those 8 playoff teams are not as hamstrung by these rules as some make them out to be.

BroncoMan4ever · 02-06-2010, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 24champ

Broncos can afford both.

How about this cool idea...why not add Wilfork and keep Champ Bailey?!

i agree. restructure his deal and lessen his cap hit this season and bring Wilfork's massive ass over here.

oubronco · 02-06-2010, 09:29 AM

Just keep Champ and draft Williams

Broncolorado · 02-06-2010, 09:36 AM

if Wilfork played for us and his contract was up,everyone would be saying to franchise him.Don't you think that's what they're saying in New England?That's exactly what they'll do and anyone wanting him has to give up,what?,2 first round picks plus a mega contract.I think we can forget about it.

summerdenver · 02-06-2010, 11:10 AM

Yes. Purely from business perspective i would trade a great player who is probably past his prime to get a young player at a position hard to fill.

DBroncos4life · 02-06-2010, 12:42 PM

Question.... Who replaces Bailey in this move?

strafen · 02-06-2010, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ZONA

Was thinking about this. Probably the only way we could afford Wilfork is if we dumped Champs contract by trading him away. I know Champ is a big time favorite but Wilfork is a huge impact player right in the middle of the line, where we need help the most. I can't say I would be in favor of it unless we got a sweet pick or something for Champ, like a 2nd rounder, and then of course Wilfork signed. I would maybe do it.

At the point where both Wilfork and Champ stand in their careers, sure, I would pull off the trade.
We have a couple promising players in the secondary and this will be a good chance add some youth with the draft coming.
We can't wait for Champ to dictate when we need to replace him.

Champ has been all world in my opinion, but eventually father time comes knocking.

NFLBRONCO · 02-06-2010, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Question.... Who replaces Bailey in this move?

Ty Law

KipCorrington25 · 02-06-2010, 01:02 PM

On principle alone I wouldn't get ride of him for a Gaytriots player.

TheDave · 02-06-2010, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Question.... Who replaces Bailey in this move?

Fonzie...

He maches up real well in our division as a #1 CB.

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02-06-2010, 01:10 AM	#1
ZONA Ring of Famer Liquid greatness in every packet Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,411 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	Would you trade Champ to sign Wilfork? Was thinking about this. Probably the only way we could afford Wilfork is if we dumped Champs contract by trading him away. I know Champ is a big time favorite but Wilfork is a huge impact player right in the middle of the line, where we need help the most. I can't say I would be in favor of it unless we got a sweet pick or something for Champ, like a 2nd rounder, and then of course Wilfork signed. I would maybe do it.

02-06-2010, 01:14 AM	#2
Vladimir #1 Oregon Broncos fan Go Ducks! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Medford, Oregon Posts: 450 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Dawkins!!	I would be torn if this was true.. Champ being my favorite player I would hate to see him playing for anyone else but I also love the Broncos as a team and if we could get a 2nd round pick for champ and sign Wilfork... It would be hard to say no.

02-06-2010, 01:23 AM	#4
Killericon YES A DT!!!!!! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: From Calgary, in Halifax for School Posts: 7,730 Adopt-a-Bronco: watermock	Champ will probably restructure, but I tell you this much, the Pats can certainly afford him once they cut Adalius Thomas.

02-06-2010, 03:25 AM	#6
extralife Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,921	I think there's a growing sense that we just don't have the kind of money to throw around at people in free agency anymore. I don't think we sign any name players, not even the NE ones. At the same time, if we don't do something significant with the D line at least, McD will be under some real heat.

02-06-2010, 04:52 AM	#7
Schism Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,920 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	He'll probably be franchised, so it's a moot point really. That said, I don't think it'd be a smart move. Champ is the epitome of a team-first kind of player, he's the exact kind of guy from a character standpoint that McD has been adamant about bringing in since he got here. Dumping him for a 2nd round pick kind of flies in the face of everything he's been trying to establish since he became HC, especially when you're using the money to bring in a guy like Wilfork, who is essentially a complete mercenary and has more or less admitted as much.

02-06-2010, 04:56 AM	#8
elsid13 Lost In Space Bóg, Honor, Ojczyzna Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: DC Posts: 19,099	I rather keep Champ, draft Dan Williams or Cam Thomas and let Chris Baker/Marcus Thomas develop.

02-06-2010, 07:20 AM	#12
Broncoman13 Broncoholic JT #80 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Colorado Posts: 16,962 Adopt-a-Bronco: Orange Julius	If Wilfork is willing to work for a one year contract in Denver then go for it, but I am guessing he'd rather play for a SB contender if he's going to have to sign a one year deal. I fully expect he'll be a Jet. Uncapped year coming up and they'll be forced into putting a lot of their money into one player as they were a playoff team and are only losing three or four of their own, which means they can only sign one or two free agents. What a mess.

02-06-2010, 08:10 AM	#15
TotallyScrewed Ring of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,597	Depends...Is this team rebuildiing? If so, yes. Get what you can for Champ. He's entering, or maybe already in, that phase of the career where he's slowing down or more injury prone. Get what you can while you can. If no, then no. Add Wilfork for a run at the prize. Champ is still good enough if the D-line will stop giving QB's that comfy feeling.

02-06-2010, 09:29 AM	#18
oubronco John Foneco !! Mile High Magic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sooner Country Posts: 20,604	Just keep Champ and draft Williams

02-06-2010, 09:36 AM	#19
Broncolorado Just Drafted New to the Forum Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 23 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	if Wilfork played for us and his contract was up,everyone would be saying to franchise him.Don't you think that's what they're saying in New England?That's exactly what they'll do and anyone wanting him has to give up,what?,2 first round picks plus a mega contract.I think we can forget about it.

02-06-2010, 11:10 AM	#20
summerdenver Ring of Famer Rebuilding both offense and defense Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,822 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	Yes. Purely from business perspective i would trade a great player who is probably past his prime to get a young player at a position hard to fill.

02-06-2010, 12:42 PM	#21
DBroncos4life Hey pic Mod!?!?! FU Why yes, that is Bacon Bacon. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The wrong side of right. Posts: 26,609	Question.... Who replaces Bailey in this move?

02-06-2010, 01:02 PM	#24
KipCorrington25 Free Safety Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Centennial Posts: 3,053	On principle alone I wouldn't get ride of him for a Gaytriots player.