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View Poll Results: Caldwell: Bad, Good or just Ugly
Caldwell is lucky. He "Switzer'd" his way into the superbowl 16 31.37%
Caldwell seems to be pretty good; resting his players against NYJ set the tone 2 3.92%
Manning is Jesus with a crewcut 33 64.71%
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Old 02-05-2010, 03:53 PM   #1
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It looks to me like Caldwell came out of nowhere to be a pretty stinking good coach. I just think he's all about the game and not about anything else.
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Old 02-05-2010, 03:58 PM   #2
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Anybody could coach that team to a championship. Except McDaniels. He'd flip Manning for a couple firsts and draft a slow, short, nickel CB. ha ha.
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I don't know if anyone saw the lockerroom clip of the Colts after their Championship win. It wasn't Caldwell doing the talking...it was Manning.

He was telling everyone, you'd better be prepared. Take some time off, but do your job. Prepare yourself well. We still have one game left. And, he wasn't playing. He was telling them...you better, or else.

That guy runs that team (period). He's the only guy who I think could do that and everybody is o.k. with it.

To me Elway was the best football player ever. I grew up with him....lived a block from training camp in Greeley...and even got to spend some time with him as a kid. he was simply AMAZING.

Peyton Manning on the other hand...is a MACHINE. He's easily the best QB ever. Guys like Elway, Favre, Unitus were Football Players. Guys like Manning, Montana, Moreno are/were purely QB's. I'm not saying either is better, just pointing out the difference. Both sets are great. Manning will be the best QB ever. To me, Elway will always be the best Football Player ever!
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I think he walked into a good situation.
His situation could be compared to what George Siefert walked into when Walsh retired as head coach for the 49'ers
Still, the best thing Caldwell did is what he didn't do; don't mess with success...

I give him credit for the way he managed the team. Certainly, there could've been a lot of things go wrong for him and he clearly managed to keep it together.
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Manning is the QB and HC of that team. Caldwell is nothing but a figurehead. He is like the Queen of England, has the title but no power. as Manning goes, so go the Colts.
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Does Caldwell speak?
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Anybody could coach that team to a championship. Except McDaniels. He'd flip Manning for a couple firsts and draft a slow, short, nickel CB. ha ha.
only took a couple of post...

Manning is a stud...Dungy built that team, I do think the new guy is a good coach, but he was handed a frickin high powered rocket
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only took a couple of post...

Manning is a stud...Dungy built that team, I do think the new guy is a good coach, but he was handed a frickin high powered rocket
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They swapped Dungy for Caldwell. The staff remained largely intact. Caldwell is exactly like Dungy in temperment, so nothing really dramatic happened in Indi. He also had a year or two to sit behind Dungy and learn how to be a HC.

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Only when Peyton asks him a question.
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only took a couple of post...

Manning is a stud...Dungy built that team, I do think the new guy is a good coach, but he was handed a frickin high powered rocket
Sorry, had to the take the shot!

I've prided myself on not doing it but couldn't pass it up.
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Dennis Erickson could 'switzer' his way to the SB w/ this team
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Anybody could coach that team to a championship. Except McDaniels. He'd flip Manning for a couple firsts and draft a slow, short, nickel CB. ha ha.
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The Colts are Peyton Manning. Any coach in the NFL could get to the Super bowl with Peyton Manning at quarterback even McDouchebag.
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It's not as if Caldwell came out of nowhere, he's been with the team for years.
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Anybody could coach that team to a championship. Except McDaniels. He'd flip Manning for a couple firsts and draft a slow, short, nickel CB. ha ha.
So your comparing Cutler to Manning again?
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a hypothetical scenario:

Irsay hires a new young guy instead of promoting within. Colts don't advance to the SB. Caldwell was the right guy on a great team.

I could compare Indy to what happened with Denver, but it's a pointless comparison because a) there was no-one to promote from within - NO ONE b) our team wasn't NEAR good enough with or without the baby-who-won't-be-named, and c) our team was barely average in 2008 ....barely

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So your comparing Cutler to Manning again?
Nah. You could argue statistically on many fronts for Jay Cutler but statistics are wasted on the masses, and besides its water under the bridge. However, you don't take a young, talented QB and flip him for nothing.

The key to winning in this league is good Qb play. Not guys like Kyle Orton.

Think about Indy. Everything has changed. Defensive players, skill position players, offensive linemen, coodinators, head coaches. Everything has changed yet they've had 10 seasons out if Manning's 12, where they've won 10 games or more. Eight straight playoff appearances.

It's all about the QB position. When you find that talented young signal caller, you better hold on to them. That's the key to winning football games.
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Nah. You could argue statistically on many fronts for Jay Cutler but statistics are wasted on the masses, and besides its water under the bridge. However, you don't take a young, talented QB and flip him for nothing.

The key to winning in this league is good Qb play. Not guys like Kyle Orton.

Think about Indy. Everything has changed. Defensive players, skill position players, offensive linemen, coodinators, head coaches. Everything has changed yet they've had 10 seasons out if Manning's 12, where they've won 10 games or more. Eight straight playoff appearances.

It's all about the QB position. When you find that talented young signal caller, you better hold on to them. That's the key to winning football games.
I don't consider leading the league in picks talented...

Didn't he even have to throw like 4 tds against detroit in week 17 to get his ratio back to positive? lol
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Nah. You could argue statistically on many fronts for Jay Cutler but statistics are wasted on the masses, and besides its water under the bridge. However, you don't take a young, talented QB and flip him for nothing.

The key to winning in this league is good Qb play. Not guys like Kyle Orton.

Think about Indy. Everything has changed. Defensive players, skill position players, offensive linemen, coodinators, head coaches. Everything has changed yet they've had 10 seasons out if Manning's 12, where they've won 10 games or more. Eight straight playoff appearances.

It's all about the QB position. When you find that talented young signal caller, you better hold on to them. That's the key to winning football games.
your comparing apples to rotten oranges. A hall of fame vs overrated loser that is closer to a bust than hof. Stats don't work either because Manning has won early in his career and your boy never has. poor comparison.
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Well, it isn't all Manning. Maybe the offense is Manning but I wouldn't know. They have a really good defense and I would think Manning isn't the one coaching or calling the plays on that side of the ball. Also, they have had Manning for a long time and only have one SB with him. If it was all him, I would think they would have 2-3 more. The head coach has made at least some difference (or the d coordinator, don't know).
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Dennis Erickson could 'switzer' his way to the SB w/ this team
I think that's the point. Name a coach that couldn't take that team to the SB. Winning might be another thing...


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a hypothetical scenario:

Irsay hires a new young guy instead of promoting within. Colts don't advance to the SB. Caldwell was the right guy on a great team.

I could compare Indy to what happened with Denver, but it's a pointless comparison because a) there was no-one to promote from within - NO ONE b) our team wasn't NEAR good enough with or without the baby-who-won't-be-named, and c) our team was barely average in 2008 ....barely
Dungy retired. Shanahan was fired.
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