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Old 02-03-2010, 03:31 AM   #1
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Mike - Is the axing of Mike Nolan another rash move by the Boy King, or a really smart way to stock up on more New England driftwood? And do you think the Boy King will cut the old guard Broncos fans next and bring in replacement fans from New England?
-- Dan Nace, St. Louis

Dan, Dan, Dan. You're funny. Harsh, but funny.

No doubt, Nolan's departure enlarged McDaniels' reputation as someone who's difficult to work for. But at the Pro Bowl and Super Bowl events the past week or so, I talked to several writers who covered Nolan at various points in his career. They all described him as a good man, but a micromanaging control freak. McDaniels is also a good man who also appears to be a micromanaging control freak. The difference is, McDaniels, as the head coach, is the only guy who has the right.

So it wasn't going to work. Nolan is now the Dolphins' defensive coordinator. Miami is his seventh team since he became a defensive coordinator for the first time in 1993. In other words, McDaniels isn't the first guy who didn't want to work with Nolan anymore. I don't mean to criticize Nolan, who is an outstanding person, and a good coach. But to put 100 percent blame for his latest breakup on McDaniels is ridiculous.

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J Will from Lakewood gets to wondering about overhaul of roster, staff, schemes
By Mike Klis
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Posted: 02/03/2010 01:00:00 AM MST



It's safe to say that Tony Scheffler and Brandon Marshall are going the way of Jay Cutler. Gone as well are the offensive-coaching staff and the zone-running scheme and probably some of the athletic, undersized offensive line (and Peyton Hillis). This means that since Josh McDaniels arrived in Denver, he's completely stripped apart the formerly second-ranked offense and dropped two young Pro Bowl, franchise-caliber players. So my question: Since we had almost nothing that he wanted, why did Josh McDaniels come to Denver?
-- J Will, Lakewood


J Will - A nicely written query. Liked your setup. Cutler was a big reason why McDaniels sought the Broncos' job. Perhaps, you call this ironic.

As for that second-ranked offense McDaniels inherited, don't forget it finished 16th in scoring. Football games, J Will, are not won between the 20s.

I know change, particularly dramatic change, is difficult for anyone to accept. But the Broncos were 24-24 in the three years before McDaniels arrived. They had won one playoff game in the previous 10 years.

Why wouldn't you want change? Granted, McDaniels' first season only continued this disturbing trend of mediocrity. But at least give him a second year.




Mike - We need a QB, and it's not Kyle Orton. The playing-not-to-lose thing is just painful to watch. Broncos fans are so used to seeing the QB scramble out of trouble and make a play downfield. Now we watch Orton go down on a pinky tackle. What's the answer: the draft or free agency? Mike Vick?

-- Dave Leonard, McCook Lake, S.D.


Dave - The answer in 2010 is giving Orton a second year. The key for Orton is staying healthy.

His next step as a quarterback, in my opinion, is doing a better job of staying out of harm's way. This is two consecutive seasons 2008 with the Bears and 2009 with the Broncos when he was playing extremely well, only to suffer a significant ankle injury and then not play so well.
To get a better idea of how a bum ankle would affect a quarterback, think what it would do to a baseball pitcher. A pitcher with a bum ankle couldn't pitch. Orton played but he wasn't nearly as effective post-ankle injury.



Mike - I wanted to ask you what the Broncos think about Chris Kuper. Do you predict that he will be back? Will he be back as a starter? I get the feeling that the entire interior of our offensive line will be different. Thanks.
-- Chris, Thornton


Chris - I believe Kuper will be back. Yes, McDaniels wants to strengthen his offensive interior line. And yes, Kuper, as a right guard, is an interior lineman who was drafted by the Broncos in 2006 as a prototype zone blocker. But Kuper is too young, too talented, too competitive, and even as a restricted free agent, too inexpensive to let go. Chris Kupers are simply too difficult to find to let go.



Hey, Mike. I completely understand that Josh McDaniels wants to take control of the team. But do you think getting rid of our Pro Bowl receiver is the smart thing to do?
-- Neil, Antioch, Calif.



Neil - I choose to report on this question; not answer it. It's my job to deliver this issue from both sides the reasons why McDaniels will trade Marshall, and reasons why Marshall deserves to stay and get paid.

I will opine that Marshall will be traded. McDaniels' decision to dismiss Marshall from the season's final game, and Marshall's insistence on receiving the type of contract the Broncos don't feel comfortable providing him make his departure certain.

But whether this is smart or not is left to you, our columnists and radio's sports-talk hosts



With Josh McDaniels' success with quarterbacks, do you see the Broncos drafting Tim Tebow? Could McDaniels develop him to be a starter?
-- Justin, Superior, Wis.


Justin - McDaniels isn't afraid to think outside the box or make decisions that don't sit well with the majority. I'm guessing McDaniels has at least spent time thinking of how he could develop and use Tebow.

But there's no way McDaniels or any other NFL head coach believes Tebow can be an every-down quarterback. A slash, maybe. A wildcat QB, tops. But nothing more.

Larry Walker, when he played right field for the Rockies, had a more compact throwing delivery than Tebow. I think Tebow has enough arm strength, but there are too many other flaws.

Now could McDaniels draft Tebow with, say, a second, fourth-round pick to become a Wildcat QB/small tight end/fullback? He might think about it.



Will the Broncos match any offer for Elvis Dumervil, or might he end up in Miami with Mike Nolan?
-- Everett, Phoenix




Everett - If it gets that far, I'm certain the Broncos will match any offer. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if a deal is worked out before the tender date of March 5.

Besides the fact Dumervil is the league's best pass rusher, McDaniels needs him for his locker room. Publicly and privately, Dumervil is complimentary of McDaniels, just as he was with Shanahan. Dumervil is the type of guy who respects authority. He's McDaniels' kind of guy.



Mike - Is the axing of Mike Nolan another rash move by the Boy King, or a really smart way to stock up on more New England driftwood? And do you think the Boy King will cut the old guard Broncos fans next and bring in replacement fans from New England?
-- Dan Nace, St. Louis



Dan, Dan, Dan. You're funny. Harsh, but funny.

No doubt, Nolan's departure enlarged McDaniels' reputation as someone who's difficult to work for. But at the Pro Bowl and Super Bowl events the past week or so, I talked to several writers who covered Nolan at various points in his career. They all described him as a good man, but a micromanaging control freak. McDaniels is also a good man who also appears to be a micromanaging control freak. The difference is, McDaniels, as the head coach, is the only guy who has the right.

So it wasn't going to work. Nolan is now the Dolphins' defensive coordinator. Miami is his seventh team since he became a defensive coordinator for the first time in 1993. In other words, McDaniels isn't the first guy who didn't want to work with Nolan anymore. I don't mean to criticize Nolan, who is an outstanding person, and a good coach. But to put 100 percent blame for his latest breakup on McDaniels is ridiculous.







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Mike - Is the axing of Mike Nolan another rash move by the Boy King, or a really smart way to stock up on more New England driftwood? And do you think the Boy King will cut the old guard Broncos fans next and bring in replacement fans from New England?
-- Dan Nace, St. Louis

Dan, Dan, Dan. You're funny. Harsh, but funny.

No doubt, Nolan's departure enlarged McDaniels' reputation as someone who's difficult to work for. But at the Pro Bowl and Super Bowl events the past week or so, I talked to several writers who covered Nolan at various points in his career. They all described him as a good man, but a micromanaging control freak. McDaniels is also a good man who also appears to be a micromanaging control freak. The difference is, McDaniels, as the head coach, is the only guy who has the right.

So it wasn't going to work. Nolan is now the Dolphins' defensive coordinator. Miami is his seventh team since he became a defensive coordinator for the first time in 1993. In other words, McDaniels isn't the first guy who didn't want to work with Nolan anymore. I don't mean to criticize Nolan, who is an outstanding person, and a good coach. But to put 100 percent blame for his latest breakup on McDaniels is ridiculous.

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Wow.

Nolan comes in and makes shiola from shiat and Beavis destroys the offense.
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Orton was bad well before the ankle injury. We weren't 16th in offensive scoring, this guy needs to learn what he is talking about. Now he is sounding like McDaniels trying to twist stats to get people on his side. It tells you how much of an argument they really have for destroying that offense. Even with the twisted stats, do they not realize we were worse at scoring this year? We were worse on third down. We were worse in the red zone. All young players regressed other than Marshall. We were far healthier than the past 8-8 season. I don't see the argument that favors tearing that offense apart.

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Orton was bad well before the ankle injury. We weren't 16th in offensive scoring, this guy needs to learn what he is talking about. Now he is sounding like McDaniels trying to twist stats to get people on his side. It tells you how much of an argument they really have for destroying that offense. Even with the twisted stats, do they not realize we were worse at scoring this year? We were worse on third down. We were worse in the red zone. All young players regressed other than Marshall. We were far healthier than the past 8-8 season. I don't see the argument that favors tearing that offense apart.
The year before, which is what he was talking about - they were 16th in scoring.
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The year before, which is what he was talking about - they were 16th in scoring.
Sure. Just not offensive scoring. That is a team stat being used against the offense. If you can only dog the offense with a team stat, it shows you have no argument.
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Orton was bad well before the ankle injury.
Umm yeah, Ok.

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Really?

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...G&d-447263-n=1

Care to read to me what team is in the 16th slot when sorted by points per game?

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Even with the twisted stats, do they not realize we were worse at scoring this year? We were worse on third down. We were worse in the red zone. All young players regressed other than Marshall. We were far healthier than the past 8-8 season.
Think a new scheme, new quarterback and the lack of some suitable players might have had something to do with it?

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I don't see the argument that favors tearing that offense apart.
The only argument required is that we hired a coach who ran a completely different system and brought that to Denver. Seeing as how it was the same system that he used when calling the greatest offense in NFL history I'd say he just might know what he's doing.
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We were far healthier than the past 8-8 season. I don't see the argument that favors tearing that offense apart.
The ONLY position that this was true for is RB. The rest of the offense in 2008 was extremely healthy. OLine and QB in particular suffered key injuries in 2009 that directly contributed to the offense's struggles. How anyone can't at least acknowledge that a little is beyond me.
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There usually isn't much difference between teams in the middle third of the scoring rankings.
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Umm yeah, Ok.

Really?

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...G&d-447263-n=1

Care to read to me what team is in the 16th slot when sorted by points per game?

Think a new scheme, new quarterback and the lack of some suitable players might have had something to do with it?

The only argument required is that we hired a coach who ran a completely different system and brought that to Denver. Seeing as how it was the same system that he used when calling the greatest offense in NFL history I'd say he just might know what he's doing.
Why don't you do yourself a favor and go to ESPN. Go to the team page and look at the stats page. They have a section called scoring. Look at how we got our points, which add up to that total. Did Webster rush for his TD or was he a reveiver? I don't really remember him playing on offense.....

He can install his scheme. He f'd up giving away our QB only to leave us stuck with Orton. If you are going to give away a good QB, you might want a better plan than Orton if you want everyone to support you. What a joke. We regressed in every way on offense. We keep Culter and Royal continues to look like a receiver and we have half the offensive line problems. Having such a limited QB has made everyone elses job much harder and now they have all regressed. I know you think that is the smart thing to do, I just don't agree.
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The year before, which is what he was talking about - they were 16th in scoring.
Yeah, but not in JHNS's little head.
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The ONLY position that this was true for is RB. The rest of the offense in 2008 was extremely healthy. OLine and QB in particular suffered key injuries in 2009 that directly contributed to the offense's struggles. How anyone can't at least acknowledge that a little is beyond me.
As a team, we were far healthier this year. That is even if you take out all injuries to RBs. I agree, injuries play a big role. They are not more of an excuse than last year. We had our QB hurt his throwing hand in 2006, it is when our offense declined. Our top receiver played the season with a hype that needed surgery right after. The only healthy position on that team was o-line. The entire defense was injured by the end. I would say they have a much better injury excuse.
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You defend that? Nice. You guys only prove my point. You have nothing.
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As a team, we were far healthier this year.
We're talking offense here. Not team.

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injuries play a big role. They are not more of an excuse than last year. We had our QB hurt his throwing hand in 2006, it is when our offense declined. Our top receiver played the season with a hype that needed surgery right after. The only healthy position on that team was o-line. The entire defense was injured by the end. I would say they have a much better injury excuse.
2006 was last year? What, were you in a coma for a few years or something?
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As a team, we were far healthier this year. That is even if you take out all injuries to RBs. I agree, injuries play a big role. They are not more of an excuse than last year. We had our QB hurt his throwing hand in 2006, it is when our offense declined. Our top receiver played the season with a hype that needed surgery right after. The only healthy position on that team was o-line. The entire defense was injured by the end. I would say they have a much better injury excuse.
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Why don't you do yourself a favor and go to ESPN. Go to the team page and look at the stats page. They have a section called scoring. Look at how we got our points, which add up to that total. Did Webster rush for his TD or was he a reveiver? I don't really remember him playing on offense...
You do realize that if you take those points away it actually makes our offense look worse, right?

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He f'd up giving away our QB only to leave us stuck with Orton.
This is really ****ing dumb to be going over Jay Cutler bull**** again, but I remind you of 2 facts.

1) Cutler refused to meet with McDaniels, ignored Bowlen's phone calls and demanded a trade.

2) Bowlen, by his own admission, made the decision to trade Cutler.

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If you are going to give away a good QB, you might want a better plan than Orton if you want everyone to support you.
Orton out performed Cutler this year. Also seeing as how McD brought Brady up to elite levels and made Cassel a very impressive QB, I'll trust that he got the best available option to be his QB.

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What a joke. We regressed in every way on offense. We keep Culter and Royal continues to look like a receiver and we have half the offensive line problems.
How would Cutler do anything for the offensive line other than possibly somewhat masking their weaknesses?

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Having such a limited QB has made everyone elses job much harder and now they have all regressed.
We replaced a talented but turnover prone QB for a less (but not by a huge margin) talented QB who is smarter and plays mistake free football. Pretty much a wash, especially since Orton was the better player this year.

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No, it wasn't really the smart thing to do. All things being equal there is hardly any reason to even consider trading Cutler for Orton, but Cutler refused to act like a professional and forced Bowlen and McDaniels hand. I simply feel like they made the best of a pretty bad situation.
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We're talking offense here. Not team.

2006 was last year? What, were you in a coma for a few years or something?

Offense alone we were healthier this past year. The team was also healthier. I know all of you think the other two parts of the team don't mess with the third one, but that just isn't true. Defense and special teams do affect the offense. This past year had a far healthier and far better defense and special teams.

Sorry, I don't want to move on to 2010 yet. I would prefer to think I have a couple years of Shanahan left.

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