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Old 02-03-2010, 12:31 AM   #1
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Just going through several mock drafts and finding the players that have been slotted to go in the high to mid 1st round and trying to see where the Broncos might go if no trade down is available (and not saying the would anyway).

This first list of guys, it's pretty much a given they won't be there at #11.

Ndamukong Suh (DT)
Gerald McCoy (DT)
Eric Berry (S)

This second list of guys I would assume the Broncos are not interested in.


Russell Okung (OT)
Anothony Davis (OT)
Trent Williams (OT)
CJ Spiler (RB)
Bryan Bulaga (OT)


So I'm thinking this is what the Broncos are going to be realistically looking at come pick #11. Obviously some of these players on this list will be gone already but this is what they will be trying to break down and who best fills a need and is the better value.

Joe Haden (CB)
Derrick Morgan (DE)
Sam Bradford (QB)
Jimmy Clausen (QB)
Dez Bryant (WR)
Jason Pierre-Paul (DE)
Rolando McClain (ILB)
Carlos Dunlap (DE)
Everson Griffen (DE)
Earl Thomas (S)
Brian Price (DT)
Dan Williams (DT)
Taylor Mays (S)

We can break it down further and just assume the Broncos are happy right now with their starters and depth at CB and S. So let's remove Mays, Thomas and Haden.

Derrick Morgan (DE)
Sam Bradford (QB)
Jimmy Clausen (QB)
Dez Bryant (WR)
Jason Pierre-Paul (DE)
Rolando McClain (ILB)
Carlos Dunlap (DE)
Everson Griffen (DE)
Brian Price (DT)
Dan Williams (DT)

Can we break it down further? I'm going to say that Morgan at only 270 and Pierre-Paul at only 260 won't hold up as a 3-4 DE so I think we pass on them.

So that leaves....

Sam Bradford (QB)
Jimmy Clausen (QB)
Dez Bryant (WR)
Rolando McClain (ILB)
Carlos Dunlap (DE)
Everson Griffen (DE)
Brian Price (DT)
Dan Williams (DT)

Is this what the Broncos board might look like, if they had to pick at #11, would this be the short list they would have to work with. It could be that Clausen, Bradford and McClain are gone, maybe leaving a S, RB and OT on the baord instead, but we won't go there I venture to say. It could very well come down to us having to pick between these guys.


Dez Bryant (WR)
Carlos Dunlap (DE)
Everson Griffen (DE)
Brian Price (DT)
Dan Williams (DT)

To me, Bryant is the only one who represents true value at #11. Dunalp (6'6 290) and Griffen (6'4 280) both can play in a 3-4 but is that too high to pick a DE for a 3-4? Price seems more like a natural fit as NT in a 4-3 since he goes 295.

And Williams is projected to go late first round so getting him at #11 fills a need but not getting the best value.

The more I look at this, the more it makes sense to trade down if we can. That is, if Clausen, Bradford and McClain are gone when we pick.
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Old 02-03-2010, 12:40 AM   #2
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Rolando McClain, Carlos Dunlap, and Lupati would be in my wish list in the first round.
No need to draft a WR or secondary as it's the front line we need immediate help along with the OL

Whatever happened to Taylor Mays' stock this year. He was highly touted last year before he decided to stey in school one more year?
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Rolando McClain, Carlos Dunlap, and Lupati would be in my wish list in the first round.
No need to draft a WR or secondary as it's the front line we need immediate help along with the OL

Whatever happened to Taylor Mays' stock this year. He was highly touted last year before he decided to stey in school one more year?
Extremely competitive class.

This is a really, really, REALLY strong draft
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Extremely competitive class.

This is a really, really, REALLY strong draft
For the need of our team right now, it is. I agree.
Last year it was very deep and rich on defense, and we missed the boat.
Let's hope we can redeem ourselves this year and make it right...
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For the need of our team right now, it is. I agree.
Last year it was very deep and rich on defense, and we missed the boat.
Let's hope we can redeem ourselves this year and make it right...
For the need of EVERY team. With the pending CBA negotiations and the owners wanting to put a significantly cheaper slotted pay scale in for rookies, they're all out of the wood work and declaring looking to get paid.

If we're going to lose any of our superstar players, getting pick compensation BEFORE the draft will be paramount to Denver's future success, and as adverse as I usually am to trading down, this year is the year that I hope to god we manuever day one of draft day like Jenna Jameson in a banana peeling contest.
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Just say "no" to Dez Bryant and his agent...
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I think its a givin that Bradford wont be there at 10/11. I totally agree with you on value at that point for us.... so my question is this, If Clausen is there at 10/11 and the 5 you guys you list as "our pool to pick from" are left, could we possibly draft Clausen at that point? In reallity my question should be .... can we not pick Clausen at that point with whats left on the board??


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If McClain is gone at 11 I think Spiller and Dez are BPA at 11 which most want to pass one. Is it a bad practice to pass BPA over and draft need with top pick.
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If McClain is gone at 11 I think Spiller and Dez are BPA at 11 which most want to pass one. Is it a bad practice to pass BPA over and draft need with top pick.
McDaniels showed last season he will take the player he likes best and thinks the team needs the most when he is on the clock. so while 11 may be early for a Guard. i am expecting Iupati at 11. if he goes BPA it will be Bryant.
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Beavis won't take anyone without performing the "sniff test".

He seems to draft thru scent...

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Beavis won't take anyone without performing the "sniff test".

He seems to draft thru scent...
do you seriously have nothing better to do than b**** and moan about all things McDaniels?
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Seems like everyone is assuming that Denver gets the 11th pick. Why? Have they flipped the coin already?
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do you seriously have nothing better to do than b**** and moan about all things McDaniels?
Not really. He's an idiot.
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For the need of EVERY team. With the pending CBA negotiations and the owners wanting to put a significantly cheaper slotted pay scale in for rookies, they're all out of the wood work and declaring looking to get paid.

If we're going to lose any of our superstar players, getting pick compensation BEFORE the draft will be paramount to Denver's future success, and as adverse as I usually am to trading down, this year is the year that I hope to god we manuever day one of draft day like Jenna Jameson in a banana peeling contest.
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Extremely competitive class.

This is a really, really, REALLY strong draft
That fact makes me so happy the Broncos got Fonzie Smith!

Ballhawk my azz.
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That fact makes me so happy the Broncos got Fonzie Smith!

Ballhawk my azz.
10/11 and 14 look mighty good right about now.....especially considering that so many rookie DB's outperformed Fonzie last season....but I like BPA @ 10/11. After that, start drafting for need........OL, DL
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give the guy more than one year.....
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But they want to b**** and moan and cry NOW!
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10/11 and 14 look mighty good right about now.....especially considering that so many rookie DB's outperformed Fonzie last season....but I like BPA @ 10/11. After that, start drafting for need........OL, DL
He might turn out to be a decent player, but you should be getting more than DECENT at the #37 pick.

When something bad happened on defense/special teams, he was usually involved.
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He might turn out to be a decent player, but you should be getting more than DECENT at the #37 pick.

When something bad happened on defense/special teams, he was usually involved.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Is that a fact?

Let's see... when Sproles broke that return for a TD in San Diego, do you know who was responsible? I'll give you a hint: It wasn't Smith.

It was Mr. Holes in his Hands himself Peyton Hillis Christ.

If you get a solid player at 37, you're happy. If he contributes for 5-7 years, you're happy.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Is that a fact?

Let's see... when Sproles broke that return for a TD in San Diego, do you know who was responsible? I'll give you a hint: It wasn't Smith.

It was Mr. Holes in his Hands himself Peyton Hillis Christ.

If you get a solid player at 37, you're happy. If he contributes for 5-7 years, you're happy.
we traded the rights to draft @ #14 this yr for the rights to draft @ #37 last yr--that is failure enough in itself. Coupled with Fonzie being unable to even be our nickelback--and it is a McGenius level of failure.
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Extremely competitive class.

This is a really, really, REALLY strong draft
Yes and imagine if we had that 2nd 1st!
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we traded the rights to draft @ #14 this yr for the rights to draft @ #37 last yr--that is failure enough in itself. Coupled with Fonzie being unable to even be our nickelback--and it is a McGenius level of failure.
Yeah. Too bad careers in the NFL last more than just a rookie season, huh BowelMovement?
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