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Old 01-24-2010, 03:05 PM   #1
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Default Talent vs. Character: Could trading Marshall be addition by subtraction?

I thought about this based on some comments in other threads along the line of "You don't get better by trading a guy with three 100 catch seasons," while others have pointed to the Cowboys losing Owens and finally winning a playoff game.

So I ask, IS IT POSSIBLE that the Broncos could become a better team by getting rid of Marshall? Some possible arguments:

Yes: Everybody in the NFL has some talent and it's the club with better chemistry that work as a team that win. By ridding themselves of Marshall (and presumably Scheffler), the Broncos no longer have any divas on their roster and take the field with 53 guys who don't care about their stats or roles on the team. A squad that cares about nothing else but winning could make the Broncos better. Also, without the need of feeling the ball has to be fed into Marshall, Orton (or any other Broncos QB) could relax and spread the ball around. No more distractions, just football.

No: At the end of the day, talent rules all. He is one of, if not the best, WR in all of football and a guy that defenses have to account for on every play. He was a monster in this offense catching over 100 balls and 10 touchdowns. The rest of the WRs may be nice guys but none of them could do that and the offense would sorely suffer without him. Whether Marshall is a problem child or not, he's the only guy on this team that opponents have to gameplan for. The teams with the best players win and he's one of the team's best players - you have to do whatever you need to accomodate him. Preferental treatment, paying him big money, dealing with off-field or locker room issues - the guy is simply too good to let him go and there is no possible the way the Broncos lose him and don't get worse.
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Old 01-24-2010, 03:14 PM   #2
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Depends on what you get in return.
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Old 01-24-2010, 03:17 PM   #3
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Depends on what you get in return.
Exactly. I like BMarsh, I've been a proponent of his, but it seems that he's on his way out. If we give him up for nothing, I don't care how bad his attitude is we will not get better. But if we score well on the trade, then I'm sure we can get better.

Part of the problem will also be we will most likely get draft picks, and you have to give them 2-3 years to develop, etc.
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Old 01-24-2010, 03:19 PM   #4
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Addition by subtraction... no, he is too talented and productive for that too happen.

On the other hand if we could get significant compensation for his production then... maybe.
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6'5'' 240 pound WR's don't come around very often. He was the only player on offense that teams had to worry about.
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Old 01-24-2010, 03:29 PM   #6
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Exactly. I like BMarsh, I've been a proponent of his, but it seems that he's on his way out. If we give him up for nothing, I don't care how bad his attitude is we will not get better. But if we score well on the trade, then I'm sure we can get better.

Part of the problem will also be we will most likely get draft picks, and you have to give them 2-3 years to develop, etc.
if we got dez bryant, thats addition. hes being compared to andre johnson.
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Old 01-24-2010, 03:33 PM   #7
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I vote yes. While I'd hoped for Marshall to stay, his bailing on the team at the end of the season was the last straw for me. Not to mention how he'll act once he gets his millions.

Get fair value for him and keep rebuilding. It seems like a lot of folks here seem to forget that we are rebuilding.
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Old 01-24-2010, 03:37 PM   #8
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if we got dez bryant, thats addition. hes being compared to andre johnson.
I don't follow college ball enough to know who is good and who isn't... That said, if Dez Bryant was even in the vicinity of Andre Johnson, then I fully agree we'd be just as good if not better.
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No divide by zero option?
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Old 01-24-2010, 03:39 PM   #10
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The other problem with a question like this is the offense has a lot of moving parts. Tom Brady proved you don't need a superstar WR to win Super Bowls. A great QB can make WRs look good. Pierre Garcon killed it today with Peyton throwing his way.

If we could get a legit QB (you all know my thoughts on Orton...) then we may not need BMarsh either way.
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Everything is possible, hypothetically we could get the next Jerry Rice or Peyton Manning.

Here is how I look at it, how many players in the league today are better than Marshall at any position? 100? 200? Lets just assume for a minute that every team has 4 players regardless of position who are better than Marshall in some way. That is about 120 players for the league.

Considering all 32 teams have 80 players on the roster during the offseason, that is about 1/20 which is 5%. That is about where I would put the chances that we can improve by getting rid of Marshall. In the last 10 drafts, we have only drafted 2 players you could realistically say are better than Marshall, Clady and Dumervil - but some other teams have done better.

To me the odds are heavily in favour of us not improving by getting rid of Marshall, it will take a strong mix of luck and scouting above and beyond what we have displayed lately to improve.
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I don't follow college ball enough to know who is good and who isn't... That said, if Dez Bryant was even in the vicinity of Andre Johnson, then I fully agree we'd be just as good if not better.
he not. He closer to Crabtree then Johnson. He doesn't have the vertical speed that Johnson does. He is a very good player but he not a top 5 player like Johnson was coming out of UM.
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if we got dez bryant, thats addition. hes being compared to andre johnson.
Dude living here in OK, Bryant is a headcase as well
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So, let's get this straight. The team couldn't find a role for Royal, but there is an expectation of getting a rookie to replace Mashall right away. Good luck with that.
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So, let's get this straight. The team couldn't find a role for Royal, but there is an expectation of getting a rookie to replace Mashall right away. Good luck with that.
Eddie has a pretty unique skillset, with his size it's sometimes limits what he can actually do.
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Eddie has a pretty unique skillset, with his size it's sometimes limits what he can actually do.
So if you are an offensive genius you figure out how to get that kind of guy the ball. That sort of dropoff in production is not an endorsement of the offensive ccodinator.
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he not. He closer to Crabtree then Johnson. He doesn't have the vertical speed that Johnson does. He is a very good player but he not a top 5 player like Johnson was coming out of UM.
ive read 2 scouts who said his skillset is very similar to andre johnson, and also said he is better than crabtree coming out.
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ive read 2 scouts who said his skillset is very similar to andre johnson, and also said he is better than crabtree coming out.
We also heard from you how McDaniels was taking the Broncos to the playoffs. How did that turn out?
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We also heard from you how McDaniels was taking the Broncos to the playoffs. How di that turn out?
curious what this has to do with dez bryant, or really anything in general? i never predicted playoffs preseason because too much stuff was changing, but i never cried about teh team being relocated because cutler is gone either.

sorry i support the team, ill try not to in the future.
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anyway, hes what the twitter ex-scout said:

RT @jonnyj20: is Andre Johnson the best comparison for Dez Bryant?> I have used that comparison... body types are almost identical

andre may be the best in the NFL so we cant say hes that good obviously but if he has a chance, its worth looking into.
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Eddie has a pretty unique skillset, with his size it's sometimes limits what he can actually do.
Royal can't do much of anything when he's not targeted.

There's just no excuse for not looking his way.
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Royal can't do much of anything when he's not targeted.
How are you supposed to target a small speed wr, if your QB can't throw it effectively downfield, because he has no time, and he doesn't have the most powerful arm, to hit him deep? Eddie isn't an exceptional option over the middle due to his size.
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curious what this has to do with dez bryant, or really anything in general? i never predicted playoffs preseason because too much stuff was changing, but i never cried about teh team being relocated because cutler is gone either.

sorry i support the team, ill try not to in the future.
If you can't get a proven NFL reciever the ball, how can you project a rookies succes? Is it that hard for you too figure out. Sorry, forgot for a minute who I was talking too. Damn your a laugh riot.

As far as moving the team? Wow, talk about coming out of crazy field. Get it together man.
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How are you supposed to target a small speed wr, if your QB can't throw it effectively downfield, because he has no time, and he doesn't have the most powerful arm, to hit him deep? Eddie isn't an exceptional option over the middle due to his size.
You left out the QB can also only make one read.
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glad to see a really solid question/thread submarined by the same morons arguing
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