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Old 01-24-2010, 01:09 PM   #1
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Default Dropoff Evident from Shanahan's Offense

This is just a surface evaluation based on total offense numbers, but the offense clearly stumbled from where they were in 2008 as far as statistics show. Mediator probably has a more extensive analysis that reveals more detail about specific things that have changed.


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23.1 ppg
6333 total yards
4471 passing yards 25td/18int
1862 rushing yards with 15td
4.8 yards per carry

2009
20.4 ppg
5463 total yards
3627 passing yards 21td/13int
1836 rushing yards with 9td
4.2 yards per carry

There is a clear difference between the two offenses. Almost 1000 yards and 10 TD's. 10 TD's is 60 points.

2008 Broncos offense gained more rushing yards, more passing yards, and scored more.
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Old 01-24-2010, 01:13 PM   #2
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And defensively?
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yeah, and the players weren't running a new offensive scheme in 2008 either. unfair to make such a comparison.
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Dude, you had to start a thread for this dog-****?

The difference was less than 3 points per game, offset by a ***-load more turnovers last year.

We've been over this. Our offense was mediocre last season and our defense was a disaster.
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I love how simple minded this take is.

It makes it easy to come back with things like this:

Defensive improvement> Offensive decline= McDaniels>Shanahan
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They also threw the ball about 120 times more in 08. With Orton's % statistics if he threw it 120 more times he probably would have had close to what Cutler had.
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I love how the thread calls for Mediator to come in and bash the team, too.

Sorry man, that's generally not his style.
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And the 2009 Bronco offense accomplished all that without a "franchise" QB.
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Dude, you had to start a thread for this dog-****?

The difference was less than 3 points per game, offset by a ***-load more turnovers last year.


We've been over this. Our offense was mediocre last season and our defense was a disaster.
Seven. 30 in 08 to 23 in 09. Less than .5 turnovers per game different.

Seven is a ****load?
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I love how simple minded this take is.

It makes it easy to come back with things like this:

Defensive improvement> Offensive decline= McDaniels>Shanahan
I didnt say anything about Shanahan being "better" than McD. People read too much into things.

The thread is about the offense...I said nothing about the defense, which was clearly superior for most of the season.
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They also threw the ball about 120 times more in 08. With Orton's % statistics if he threw it 120 more times he probably would have had close to what Cutler had.
His rag arm couldn't have handled it.

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I love how the thread calls for Mediator to come in and bash the team, too.

Sorry man, that's generally not his style.
Oh, quit whining.

I was deferring to someone who typically has a great analysis. I was saying that there is more to the story than what those numbers show, and that a guy like Mediator probably has that info.

Quit with the overreaction.

It would be nice just to be able to discuss the obvious rather than to have someone try to force the issue under the table because it doesnt fit in with
their message board agenda.

I got the same reaction here this time last year when I posted a Cutler analysis that revealed him as a problem.
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Seven. 30 in 08 to 23 in 09. Less than .5 turnovers per game different.

Seven is a ****load?
I'm pretty sure he was talking about the offense.
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They also threw the ball about 120 times more in 08. With Orton's % statistics if he threw it 120 more times he probably would have had close to what Cutler had.
Jay turned the ball over once every 30.8 dropbacks in 2008.
Kyle turned the ball over once every 38.6 dropbacks in 2009.

Better, but not nearly the improvement some make it out to be.
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I'm pretty sure he was talking about the offense.
So was I, idiot.

The offense turned the ball over 30 times in 2008. In 2009 we turned the ball over 23 times.
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I didnt say anything about Shanahan being "better" than McD. People read too much into things.

The thread is about the offense...I said nothing about the defense, which was clearly superior for most of the season.
And some people just don't read anything.
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Wow...this is what this board has turned into?

You post some statistics, beg the question for a more comprehensive statistical argument in general from anyone who may have one, and then you get a bunch of snarky, juvenile comments from the noncognitivists.

Football talk = internet nerd insults. Nice.

Does anyone talk football here anymore?
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Hmmm, amazing drop off. Why hasn't this been discussed before?

It comes out to a difference of 0.9 yards per play. What a disaster. There's no way a system, player, front office, change could account for les than a yard per play.
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Arizona had 30 turnovers in 2008 and made the Super Bowl...

Hmmm....
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Oh, quit whining.
You should have thought about that earlier.
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Hmmm, amazing drop off. Why hasn't this been discussed before?

It comes out to a difference of 0.9 yards per play. What a disaster. There's no way a system, player, front office, change could account for les than a yard per play.
It also translates to 60 points (70 if you add converted extra point tries) over the season. Those points would have gotten the Broncos into the playoffs.
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