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Old 01-24-2010, 08:55 AM   #1
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A moment of silence, please, for the Broncos' zone-blocking scheme.

Can there be a more fitting farewell tribute?

New coaches have been hired to teach a new way of running the ball at Dove Valley. The zone-blocking, one-cut running scheme, a Broncos staple since 1995, will not be back.

"Our running game and some of the things we're going to do next year will definitely change," Broncos coach Josh McDaniels said Saturday night.

Freshly promoted offensive line coach Clancy Barone and newly hired assistant offensive line coach Bob Wylie and running backs coach Eric Studesville have been brought in to help transition the Broncos to more of a power running style.

"The teams that run the zone play, that's predominantly what they do," McDaniels said. "Because if you're going to be good at that, you're going to have to be good at that all the time. We're not doing that. There will be some zone in there, but we're not going to major in it."

During their Super Bowl title seasons in 1997 and 1998, the Broncos became famous for their zone/cut-blocking style and for offensive linemen who refused to speak to the media.

But a funny thing has happened since then — no zone-blocking system has carried a team to the Super Bowl, much less won it, since the 1998 Broncos.

And so Barone, Wylie and Studesville were hired to help alter the Broncos' running game that will feature second-year tailback Knowshon Moreno and possibly include one or two new offensive linemen.

"We're going to run some power, we're going to run some inside zone," McDaniels said. "There's no way to exactly characterize our type of running scheme. It's just not going to be dedicated to the outside zone play. It will be different. But it will be more what I'm used to, and Clancy's going to do a great job with it."

Additional topics addressed Saturday with McDaniels:

• Other coaching hires. The Broncos added more

Super Bowl pedigree to their coaching staff by hiring Bob Ligashesky, who served the past three seasons as special-teams coordinator for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Ligashesky, 46, will be the new tight ends coach.

Denver also promoted Ben McDan-iels to quarterbacks coach, a move that allows Mike McCoy to devote fully to his offensive coordinator duties.

It's possible a few McDaniels detractors may believe Ben got the promotion for no other reason than he is Josh's younger brother.

"Just watch him coach," Josh McDaniels said. "He's intense. He's going to be tough. He will be able to relate to players. He's not intimidated by anything whatsoever. This won't be too big for him."

The Broncos are negotiating a new contract for special-teams assistant Keith Burns, but they have yet to announce their new defensive coordinator. Linebackers coach Tom Martindale is a candidate.

• The perception that McDaniels is difficult to work with. "I think it's a mistake," McDaniels said. "The same person people liked when we were 6-0 is the same person that's sitting in that chair in that office who's now 8-8. We've gone through adversity, and there's been some issues. I didn't change what I was doing. I didn't change how I was coaching. I didn't change how I was conducting meetings.

"The bottom line is once we get everything going in the right direction with all the right people, this is the philosophy that absolutely works. I've seen it.

"You're right: People want to say things, but no, I'm not hard to work with. The 99 percent of people I work with and get along with very well, they know what the heck is going on inside the Denver Broncos' building. People who have had an issue with me, or I've had an issue with, there's a reason. I'm not going to let things happen that shouldn't happen. If that's what people want, then maybe we disagree."

• Mike Nolan's departure. There had been speculation the defensive coordinator left the Broncos in large part because McDaniels was going to strip him of his trademark zone blitz on run downs.

"Anything regarding 'I wouldn't let him do that, I wouldn't let him do this' is totally false," McDaniels said. "It was mutual. I think it's best for all of us. The defensive philosophy that we use, that's ours. That's not going anywhere. It's our second year in the system, and we'll continue to do better. I have a lot of respect for Mike, and I wish him well. But I think this is going to be the best thing for the Broncos and the best thing for Mike Nolan. I think everybody wins in this."

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Old 01-24-2010, 09:02 AM   #2
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First off, how many teams run a zone blocking system...5 or 6? Secondly, take a look at the numbers for our running game the previous 10 seasons...amongst the top 5 in the entire NFL. Prior to McDaniels, our running game was a positive...not a problem.
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But a funny thing has happened since then — no zone-blocking system has carried a team to the Super Bowl, much less won it, since the 1998 Broncos.

That is a BS statement. The Colts run a primarily a zone blocking scheme. Tampa did too if I remember correctly as zone blocking is a big part of WC offense.
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First off, how many teams run a zone blocking system...5 or 6? Secondly, take a look at the numbers for our running game the previous 10 seasons...amongst the top 5 in the entire NFL. Prior to McDaniels, our running game was a positive...not a problem.
mcdaniels is running a new scheme with lineman that dont fit it, now maybe he shouldnt have changed the scheme, but thats waht coaches do. why is that a "problem" now? give him time to get his guys in, he will definitely upgrade oline this year.
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Old 01-24-2010, 09:10 AM   #5
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Way to give credit to the author.
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Good for McDaniels on the change. A power run blocking scheme may help in the redzone...
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Good for McDaniels on the change. A power run blocking scheme may help in the redzone...
Question is...will they be able to GET to the redzone?
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Why run the ball at all, when you can just run screen plays.
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Yet, last draft he was talking about how he looked for guys who could play center and guard, and that's not power blocking. This guy consistently says things at odds with other things he says.

I'm not against a power blocking scheme. It can be done without having to spend high picks on interior linemen. NE doesn't run a zone scheme so I've assumed Den would be changing. But Tiny drafted two undersized finesse olinemen last year.

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ps, but with stinky and nails, Den could run inside
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i figured it was pretty obvious, but already changed it to include the link. im pretty sure most people here realize i didnt write it, it didnt have any capital letters
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Question is...will they be able to GET to the redzone?
I certainly hope so. That's never really a problem. Screens and other intermediate passes will get us there. The defense naturally plays closer to the ball in the redzone. That is where we've had trouble scoring...
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Yet, last draft he was talking about how he looked for guys who could play center and guard, and that's not power blocking. This guy consistently says things at odds with other things he says.

I'm not against a power blocking scheme. It can be done without having to spend high picks on interior linemen. NE doesn't run a zone scheme so I've assumed Den would be changing. But Tiny drafted two undersized finesse olinemen last year.

http://www.profootballdraftnetwork.c...r-broncos.html

ps, but with stinky and nails, Den could run inside
Stink, Nails, Habib...those guys took whatever they wanted from the D-line.

I would put that offensive line up against any offensive line in the history of the NFL.

LT Zimmerman
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the problem with the zone blocking scheme is it works well for running when used right, but its terrible for pass protection. I think if Orton gets more time in the pocket, it will open things up a lot.
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We are definitely going to focus on the O-line during the offseason.
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the problem with the zone blocking scheme is it works well for running when used right, but its terrible for pass protection. I think if Orton gets more time in the pocket, it will open things up a lot.
Yeah, you're right.

Wait, didn't our ZBS offensive line give up a league low 12 sacks in 2008?

My mistake, you're an idiot.
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Yeah, you're right.

Wait, didn't our ZBS offensive line give up a league low 12 sacks in 2008?

My mistake, you're an idiot.
They gave up a league low in 2008, but Hamilton and Weigmann were a year younger, Harris was healthy, and Cutler would get rid of the ball (sometimes to the other team) before taking sacks.

I think bigger lineman will help going down the stretch, give Orton a bit more time to pass, and improve our performance in the redzone, where you can't rely as much on trickery and rapid lateral movement. Plus, if McD is to be judged, he should at least be given the chance to run his offensive scheme in total.
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Friggin sweet, I've wanted a power running game since we lost Elway.
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But a funny thing has happened since then — no zone-blocking system has carried a team to the Super Bowl, much less won it, since the 1998 Broncos.

I brought up that question when we had this conversation and people tried to claim the Giants were a ZBS team. I don't think the Giants employed a full-time ZBS, and the writer doesn't seem to think so, either.

In fact, I'd like to see the rushing leaders since 1998. I'll bet very few of them came from ZBS teams, even on a percentage basis.

It's not a bad scheme when run correctly... but people around here seem to think it's pixie dust for success, just because it worked for us when Nirvana was still in the top 40.
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Any type of blocking would be a good thing cause we did very little of it last season in the run game.
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Well that's a good sign we will be getting bigger guys for the interior.
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Bob Ligashesky, who served the past three seasons as special-teams coordinator for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Ligashesky, 46, will be the new tight ends coach.


Well at least he won't be the SP Teams coach...the Steelers SP last year where horride!

While I understood the Zone blocking and apprieciated the Super Bowls it helped win and the talent it made @ RB, I'd rather have a O-line that punche people in the face near the goal line and lays teams to waste in the 4th quarter.
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ZBS had a time and a place, but it just seems antiquated now. More teams are moving to the 3-4 which means more weight on average at the LOS, it's a QB league and each team has to protect that investment, and the NFL is talking about making the season even 17-18 games. Bigger more rugged lineman are needed.

ZBS plays should be in the playbook, but I welcome the move to power running.
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Well at least he won't be the SP Teams coach...the Steelers SP last year where horride!

While I understood the Zone blocking and apprieciated the Super Bowls it helped win and the talent it made @ RB, I'd rather have a O-line that punche people in the face near the goal line and lays teams to waste in the 4th quarter.
Haha I f'ing lost it momentarily when I read that too.

On that note, is anyone surprised we still have our ST coach? I figured he'd be gone, based on the number of times I saw McD tearing him a new one on the sidelines.
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I brought up that question when we had this conversation and people tried to claim the Giants were a ZBS team. I don't think the Giants employed a full-time ZBS, and the writer doesn't seem to think so, either.

In fact, I'd like to see the rushing leaders since 1998. I'll bet very few of them came from ZBS teams, even on a percentage basis.

It's not a bad scheme when run correctly... but people around here seem to think it's pixie dust for success, just because it worked for us when Nirvana was still in the top 40.
Well like I have said before the Colts won using it, but it can also be pointed out their running game this year was the worst in the league. I like a power game better. The zone game is good for creating long runs but has a lot of 2 yd or less runs.
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