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Old 01-14-2010, 07:09 AM   #1
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For all the McDaniels haters that said Shanahan would be smart and utilize the talent in DC, he has pissed off Haynesworth with talk of the 3-4 and will run the ZBS that the skins fans saw as a complete failure when Zorn used it.

The addition of Spanos indicates that Shanahan and Haslett are seriously considering shifting to a 3-4 defensive scheme. Jason LaCanfora at NFL Network is reporting that defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth will not be happy about any switch and the run/gap responsibilities assigned to the nosetackle in the 3-4. Haynesworth criticized previous defensive coordinator Greg Blache for not allowing him to freelance and create havoc behind the line.
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Old 01-14-2010, 07:15 AM   #2
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If Shanny really does want the 3-4, he might do well to trade Haynesworth. That is a massive contract for a single cog of the line. Or, they could switch him to DE and let Albert be Albert.

He would be absolutely wasted money as a NT.
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Old 01-14-2010, 07:17 AM   #3
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He wouldn't play NT... Haynesworth is a DE in a 3-4.

and could be an absolutely devastating one at that.
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Dude...you guys should discuss this at www.extremeskins.com
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Did he actually say he was mad or is this all speculation? Your title says he is and then your post says its speculation...

I have been wondering how Albert would take this. I want to know what he is actually thinking though, not what some reporter hopes becomes his next big story.
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Did he actually say he was mad or is this all speculation? Your title says he is and then your post says its speculation...

I have been wondering how Albert would take this. I want to know what he is actually thinking though, not what some reporter hopes becomes his next big story.
At odds. If Haynesworth is a 4-3 lineman and Shanny wants to swithch to a 3-4, it should be pretty obvious they would be "at odds". The title is fine.
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At odds. If Haynesworth is a 4-3 lineman and Shanny wants to swithch to a 3-4, it should be pretty obvious they would be "at odds". The title is fine.
If Haynesworth doesn't have a problem with it, they aren't at odds.
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He wouldn't play NT... Haynesworth is a DE in a 3-4.

and could be an absolutely devastating one at that.
In the interest of cap space, Shanny will probably track down DeWayne Robertson.
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In the interest of cap space, Shanny will probably track down DeWayne Robertson.
Wouldn't that be slightly counterproductive in a cap free year?
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Personally I think it would be foolish for Shanny and the Skins to run the 3-4 because they have some players that are taylor made for the 4-3.

If they switch to a 3-4, they can move Carter and Orakpo to OLB, but then they render guys like McIntosh and Fletcher undersized. From what i've heard, McIntosh is one of the top young players on that defensive roster. So that doesn't really make sense to me.

I've seen Haynesworth in a 3-4. He has the rare ability to be effective in whatever defense he plays in but it does hurt his impact because he's such a big guy. He isn't going to run around anybody.

I don't understand why Shanny is hell bent on going to a 3-4 when he denied it for so many years. Sort of frustrating. We'll see.
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Personally I think it would be foolish for Shanny and the Skins to run the 3-4 because they have some players that are taylor made for the 4-3.

If they switch to a 3-4, they can move Carter and Orakpo to OLB, but then they render guys like McIntosh and Fletcher undersized. From what i've heard, McIntosh is one of the top young players on that defensive roster. So that doesn't really make sense to me.

I've seen Haynesworth in a 3-4. He has the rare ability to be effective in whatever defense he plays in but it does hurt his impact because he's such a big guy. He isn't going to run around anybody.

I don't understand why Shanny is hell bent on going to a 3-4 when he denied it for so many years. Sort of frustrating. We'll see.
Of all the Super Bowl winning teams the last decade how many have not been a 3-4?
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Of all the Super Bowl winning teams the last decade how many have not been a 3-4?
How many of them were coached by the Legendary Shanahan also?
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Of all the Super Bowl winning teams the last decade how many have not been a 3-4?
Giants, Rams, Bucs, Colts have all won with 4-3 in the last 10 super bowls. Before that we have 2 4-3 Broncos defenses to make it 6 of the last 12.
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If Haynesworth doesn't have a problem with it, they aren't at odds.
Haynesworth does have a problem with it, read the links.....
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Wow, you mean Shanahan... a new coach... is going to come in and implement his own system with his own players?

BPC said that's not the way it works!



Hmmm. You know, I'm starting to wonder if he's the football expert he claims to be.
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I'm not sure. You can make a considerable case for either defense being a good one... just depends on what type of players you have.

4-3 requires that you have some absolute pass rushing phenoms on the edges, and some disruptive DT's. We could never get the right combination in Denver with the defense, and the dominant guys like Peppers and Williams were always drafted too high for us to get our hands on.

I always liked the 3-4 as a great defense because it can manufacture pressure easier, there is a crapload of tweeners every year that don't fit the 4-3 and you get them at a great value. I would imagine half the league, maybe a little less has switched to the 3-4 so the value isn't the same anymore.
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Haynesworth does have a problem with it, read the links.....
I did read the first link and it isn't even sure they are going to a 3-4. Nothing in it says anything about what he actually thinks. It says, maybe, if, and could. As for the second link, it won't work on my phone and that's why I asked if he has actually said anything. The first link is a reporter trying to find controversy. Nothing there came from anything Shanahan, his staff, Albert, or his agent.
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Wow, you mean Shanahan... a new coach... is going to come in and implement his own system with his own players?

BPC said that's not the way it works!



Hmmm. You know, I'm starting to wonder if he's the football expert he claims to be.
The funny thing is, 3-4 is not his system, at least not historically. He's always been a 4-3 guy. And the parts that he has in his front 7, Carter, Orakpo, Haynesworth, McIntosh, and Fletcher all fit perfectly in a 4-3.

It just seems foolish to me because he tried so hard in Denver to make the 4-3 work, when it didn't have the juice or the players to do much of anything for us.

BTW, I don't claim to be a football expert. I'm just a couch QB like everybody else.
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Of all the Super Bowl winning teams the last decade how many have not been a 3-4?

Colts, Giants, Rams.


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The Ravens were a 4-3 for their SB too.
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Shanny mentioned how much he would like to have Nolan as his assistant HC & DC so maybe we lose Nolan too.
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Wow, you mean Shanahan... a new coach... is going to come in and implement his own system with his own players?

BPC said that's not the way it works!



Hmmm. You know, I'm starting to wonder if he's the football expert he claims to be.

I bet he does not gut the team nice try ...
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I bet he does not gut the team nice try ...
Yeah, hopefully he doesn't bring in guys like Brian Dawkins and Andra Davis to replace Vernon Fox and Nate Webster. They'd never recover.
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