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Old 01-12-2010, 10:10 AM   #1
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Default Shanny's last 10 games finish.

2002 5-5
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2006 With a FRANCHISE QB ERA 4-6
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One winning finish to last 10 games in his last 7 here in Denver. All losing seasons with franchise QB. Just saying.
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Old 01-12-2010, 10:11 AM   #2
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Ooops. This ought to be good.

You should post this at Extreme Skins.
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Which us why he was fired. Still all better than 2-8. Even with the worst defense in franchise history and a lot more injuries.
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wow, I had no idea. He established a culture here of not finishing strong, McD has his work cut out to end that way of thinking in Denver.

Yes I am making an excuse for McDaniels.
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shanny (4-6)>mc****face (2-8)
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Old 01-12-2010, 10:18 AM   #6
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8-8=8-8= NO PLAYOFFS no matter how you slice it.
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We had had some great years with Jake Plummer.
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You just blew his mind.
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It is at the very least fair to say that Mc D failed to stop the tendency to finish weak rather than that he is responsible for it. I'm hoping its something we can address next season. In fact, I'm almost hoping we can start out 0-3 or something, as I'm so sick of us fading down the stretch...

Thing is, we faded late-season even back in the days we were good! in 1996 we took our foot off the gas deliberately, in our first SB-winning season we had a worrying late-season slump and even in 1998 we ended up going 2-2 over the final four after starting 12-0. I don't think we've EVER had a season with a better record over the last eight...EVER....

I really, really wonder if it does have something to do with the thin air? People say that it gives US an extra home-field advantage (most famously John Madden) but maybe playing in that thin air 8 games a season wears guys down a little more? Certainly it seems to happen time and time again no matter who's coaching or who's in the team, and we don't exactly have the best home playoff record since 1996 either......
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Yep a lot better than the supposed franchise QB.
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It is at the very least fair to say that Mc D failed to stop the tendency to finish weak rather than that he is responsible for it. I'm hoping its something we can address next season. In fact, I'm almost hoping we can start out 0-3 or something, as I'm so sick of us fading down the stretch...

Thing is, we faded late-season even back in the days we were good! in 1996 we took our foot off the gas deliberately, in our first SB-winning season we had a worrying late-season slump and even in 1998 we ended up going 2-2 over the final four after starting 12-0. I don't think we've EVER had a season with a better record over the last eight...EVER....

I really, really wonder if it does have something to do with the thin air? People say that it gives US an extra home-field advantage (most famously John Madden) but maybe playing in that thin air 8 games a season wears guys down a little more? Certainly it seems to happen time and time again no matter who's coaching or who's in the team, and we don't exactly have the best home playoff record since 1996 either......
Sell that story to CBS, sure you could pull an article out of it, no matter which answer proves true.
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Old 01-12-2010, 10:35 AM   #12
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It's not complicated:

I think Shanny's weak finishes were more due to his stubborness. He would just keep jamming his game plan down everyone's throat even though everyone knew what he was doing and knew how to stop it.

This season was more due to a difference in talent levels. As teams figured out our tendencies and our players had to actually win 1 on 1 battles, they just couldn't get it done. Losing Ryan Harris, and Hamilton and Wiegman's drastic declines just didn't allow our offense to win any battles, and the overall lack of talent on defense got exposed more as the season went on and our linemen couldn't get by on hustle any more.

Of course the talent level hurt Shanny's teams as well, towards the end of his tenure.

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well duh! thanks for the awesome thread!
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well duh! thanks for the awesome thread!
Are you ****ting me? His post was at least as relevant as yours. Keep running around like a hypocritical douchebag.
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Are you ****ting me? His post was at least as relevant as yours. Keep running around like a hypocritical douchebag.
thanks for caring!
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You guys do realize that our collapse was due to lack of depth all across the board. We brought in a bunch of veteran stop gaps (and play makers) along with guys to fill voids of 50% of our roster being cut. I think we wont see the same results in year two, and even stronger results in year 3. McDaniels has had one offseason to fill this roster with guys that fit our scheme give him another two years and we will be able to maintain strong starts. As long as Josh doesn't bring in a bunch of street free agents like Engleburger, Winborn, and Vernon Fox....errr never mind.
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McD managed to out-do all collapses in just his very first season in Denver. It's easier to win the super bowl than fail like McD did down the stretch.

We're now one of only 3 teams since the AFL/NFL merger (SPANNING 44 YEARS!) to start 6-0, and fail to make the playoffs. We did it in grand fashion too, with a week to spare, losing to a 4-12, and 5-11 team AT home no less.

Sorry guys, bag on Shanny all you want but in 15 years in Denver, Jack McDaniels managed to surpass him in one foul swoop. Not only that, he can't control his locker room and Denver has been the laughing stock of the NFL all season.

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Old 01-12-2010, 11:32 AM   #18
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2004 5-5
2005 8-2
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2007 4-6
2008 4-6

One winning finish to last 10 games in his last 7 here in Denver. All losing seasons with franchise QB. Just saying.
Three playoffs with Plummer with a couple .500's down the stretch.

April 29, 2006 was the day the franchise turned around and went in a different direction. It didn't work out.
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McD managed to out-do all collapses in just his very first season in Denver. It's easier to win the super bowl than fail like McD did down the stretch.

We're now one of only 3 teams to start 6-0, and fail to make the playoffs. We did it in grand fashion too, with a week to spare, losing to a 4-12, and 5-11 team AT home no less.

Sorry guys, bag on Shanny all you want but in 15 years in Denver, Jack McDaniels managed to surpass him in one foul swoop. Not only that, he can't control his locker room and Denver has been the laughing stock of the NFL all season.
How many teams in the NFL have ever started 6-0 btw?
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None of them as bas as 2-8, huh?
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How many teams in the NFL have ever started 6-0 btw?
Who knows, who cares? The only newsworthy part about that record is the destinction of choking away the playoffs, as we did.

Shanahan had some seasons we wish would have ended better... but he never failed as miserably as 2009.
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McD managed to out-do all collapses in just his very first season in Denver. It's easier to win the super bowl than fail like McD did down the stretch.

We're now one of only 3 teams to start 6-0, and fail to make the playoffs. We did it in grand fashion too, with a week to spare, losing to a 4-12, and 5-11 team AT home no less.

Sorry guys, bag on Shanny all you want but in 15 years in Denver, Jack McDaniels managed to surpass him in one foul swoop. Not only that, he can't control his locker room and Denver has been the laughing stock of the NFL all season.
Your right Shanny doesn't deserve all of the criticism he gets for his repeated late season collapses, but a rookie head coach with a gutted roster does?

I've said this multiple times now and I'm not going to stop until people get the point. We cut half of our roster from last year and brought in a bunch of rookies and FAs to fill the holes. We wore down as the season went on because we didn't have the depth to continue to perform at the level we achieved through the first six games. You can call it overachieving or you can just look at it for what it was. Both of our lines were fresh, healthy, and dominant. Heres a breakdown of how the Broncos broke down...

*Ryan Harris IR (we lost one our book ends and teams started to exploit our lack of T depth.)

*Lack of adequate rotation on the defensive line. Ron Fields wore down, Ryan McBean couldn't stay healthy and we were forced to adjust the scheme that made our defense dominant though our fist 6 games.

*Our interior line was inferior and as the season progressed they started to get dominated. This is something we will address this offseason guaranteed.

*The two most effective RBs on this team were a Rookie (who like all rookies..wore down), and a veteran with chronic knee problems.

*Because of our poor offensive line play we could not sustain drives and again wore down our defense.

By the time we played the Chiefs we were so beat up and ineffective across our lines we probably couldn't have beat the Lions. We need QUALITY depth across both of our lines along with a bigger more productive interior O-Line. This is what happens when you rebuild a team, you cut all of the players that were scheme stop gaps for the previous regime and start replacing them with your guys. Thats what is going on its plain and simple. You should feel privileged to have a coach who was capable to put us in position to have one of the worst collapses in NFL history because most teams who rebuild like we are don't sniff 6 wins in season let alone starting 6-0. The Steelers went through this process a few years ago, the Saints went through this process, the Jets, the Giants...the list goes on. Two of those teams won superbowl's not to long after, and the Saints could be on their way. You should follow other NFL teams more, and you might realize it was damn impressive that we started the way we did.

How many teams have cut 50% of their roster and then started the season 6-0? I bet there are less than 3 teams in NFL history.

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2003 5-5
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2007 4-6
2008 4-6

One winning finish to last 10 games in his last 7 here in Denver. All losing seasons with franchise QB. Just saying.
The funny and stupid thing about your post is that you are assumed a. that Jake Plummer was any kind of franchise player in 2005, b that Jay Cutler could attain franchise status during just his first FULL season in the NFL.

Your expectations are bull****, but that can be said about many unknowledgable NFL fans. The Denver Bronco fans have been spoiled for a long time. Unfortunately for us, I think we're soon going to be realizing how much in the coming seasons when we get to see how the other half lives.
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I wouldn't have cared so much about losing 8 of the last ten games if the two wins were against the Raiders and the Chiefs at home.

That was a pathetic finish whether Josh was a rookie head coach or not. Losing to the Raiders and Chiefs - especially with the sorry state of their teams - at home like we did was a terrible way to close a season.
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You guys are so busy arguing about "my dad can beat up your dad" that you are missing the point. How as a Broncos organization do we reverse that trend? 2 - 8 versus 4 - 6 is not worth arguing about. The big question is why can't we win late in the season? Until we do that, we don't stand a chance to get in the playoffs or win when we do.

I submit there are two things that we need to change:
1) The team needs to get younger -- build through the draft. Our best players are old and I think they tend to wear down and get injured later in the year
2) We need to get guys that dominated the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball

And a possible 3rd choice is that we need some stability. Shanny rotating d-coordinators every year certainly didn't help us to settle on personnel or for the personnel we have to master the system.
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