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Old 01-09-2010, 05:44 PM   #1
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Greene sure looked good today.
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Old 01-09-2010, 05:49 PM   #2
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Yeah he looked good. But NYJ have four first rounders starting on their Oline. It's a novel idea: having talent on your lines will help those behind the line. It's why the Hillis bandwagon sinks while trying to ford the Platte River.
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Plus they have Foneco.
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That's why we needed more Hillis BECAUSE the O-line was getting pushed around. Power to compensate a weak O-line. What a novel idea eh?

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Old 01-09-2010, 05:57 PM   #5
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There is no covering this up, Shonn Greene is a better pure runner vs. Knowshon.

Knowshon is easily the better pass receiver though.

Better value with Greene vs. Knowshon in my opinion.
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Old 01-09-2010, 05:58 PM   #6
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Yeah he looked good. But NYJ have four first rounders starting on their Oline. It's a novel idea: having talent on your lines will help those behind the line. It's why the Hillis bandwagon sinks while trying to ford the Platte River.
I picked up on the same idea that NYJ had four 1st rounders on the offensive line. Thus, they were able to play defense and run the ball on offense. This past season, we were able to play defensive fairly well but we could not run the ball effectively and consistently on offense.
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Greene is hands down a better runner. He possesses better vision and has a much better burst through the hole. I'd say his future looks much briter and much longer than noShawn.
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Old 01-09-2010, 05:59 PM   #8
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Big mistake in taking Moreno..He is slow runner. I would have taken Moreno in 2nd or 3rd round.
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Go broncos I agree, but only to an extent. I'm talking 2nd day.
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Old 01-09-2010, 06:06 PM   #11
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Everyone's third string running back > Moreno
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Yeah he looked good. But NYJ have four first rounders starting on their Oline. It's a novel idea: having talent on your lines will help those behind the line. It's why the Hillis bandwagon sinks while trying to ford the Platte River.
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Old 01-09-2010, 06:08 PM   #13
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Shonn Greene proved that he was going to be an impact power runner at Iowa. He's a hammer that you bring into the game who will wear teams down, a legitimate 20-25 carry HB. NYJ's don't need him to do that right now because Thomas Jones is one of the top 5 HB's in the league.

Still, he looks much more explosive than Knowshon does.
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I agree, Moreno was a wasted #1 pick. Sucks, but its what happens when you only look at 30 or so players like our staff did
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Old 01-09-2010, 06:28 PM   #15
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How weird that this thread became a McD-basher circle jerk.
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If we take a RB in 1st round, he better make the offense better.
He doesn't have a single 100 yards rushing. For him to be successful, we need to have a great O-line. We didn't have a single rookie impact player taken in 1st 3 rounds.

Trading up to take A.smith and Quinn sucks.
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Old 01-09-2010, 06:30 PM   #17
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I agree, Moreno was a wasted #1 pick. Sucks, but its what happens when you only look at 30 or so players like our staff did
Yea the Broncos staff were the only scouts who had Moreno as a 1st round talent...All other teams and draft experts had him as a day two pick because their big boards had more players on them.
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Yea the Broncos staff were the only scouts who had Moreno as a 1st round talent...All other teams and draft experts had him as a day two pick because their big boards had more players on them.




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I was frustrated alot with Moreno this year. He just looked lost most of the time. He hesitated too much and never exploded through the hole. He's not a fast back...probably a 4.7 guy realistically. He can't get outside on pitches, so you have to run him up the middle. The problem is, he's too small and gets blown up too easily. His best hope is to learn to run north and south and to hit the hole hard...and then look to make a move. He tries to get cute in the back field before he hits the hole...which resulted in so many negative yardarge runs this year.

He's a rookie...so the jury is still out. He ran for nearly 1,000 yds at 4yds a carry...so even us nay sayers need to give the kid a break. Let's see how he looks next year before we say he was a waste of a first round pick. Note to file.
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This is apples and oranges. You can't compare Greene and Moreno unless their running behind the same line. Watch the second half of the season. It's amazing how bad our run blocking was. We have one great player on the oline, Clady.

As for the Jets, Foneco and Mangold are Pro Bowlers this year, Damien Woody has been a Pro Bowler, and Dbrick Ferguson will eventually be one. You're gonna say Knowshon is gonna be running into the backs of those guys?
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This is apples and oranges. You can't compare Greene and Moreno unless their running behind the same line. Watch the second half of the season. It's amazing how bad our run blocking was. We have one great player on the oline, Clady.

As for the Jets, Foneco and Mangold are Pro Bowlers this year, Damien Woody has been a Pro Bowler, and Dbrick Ferguson will eventually be one. You're gonna say Knowshon is gonna be running into the backs of those guys?
According to you, we need Pro Bowl offensive line for Moreno to be successful.
Then, we should have taken RB in 2nd or 3rd round.
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I agree, Moreno was a wasted #1 pick. Sucks, but its what happens when you only look at 30 or so players like our staff did
Come on Ludo, you are a way better poster than that.
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According to you, we need Pro Bowl offensive line for Moreno to be successful.
Then, we should have taken RB in 2nd or 3rd round.

So now its McDaniel's fault because he did not forsee his offensive line caving in late in the year? Last season it was all about getting a 3 down back and the offense would be complete and candy would rain from the heavens and rivers would turn to peppermint schnaps in Colorado.

Quite simply, the NYJ have signed or drafted talented players to play along their offensive line. As a result, they have one of the better rushing attacks in the NFL, and have had success with a rookie QB because of it. The Broncos offensive line has great talent at the tackles and aging small guys at center and left guard. Until we solidify the interior of our offensive line, any back we put behind them will not get it done.

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According to you, we need Pro Bowl offensive line for Moreno to be successful.
Then, we should have taken RB in 2nd or 3rd round.
Not necessarily a perennial Pro Bowl line, but a healthy and relatively proficient one. That means younger and better replacements for Weigmann and Hamilton, and a healthy Harris. Plus Orton doesn't do much to justify not stacking the box against the Broncos.

Moreno will get better. Lots of RBs jump the gap from year 1 to year 2. See Ray Rice and Mendenhall. The only that gets me about him is that he might be injury prone. Can't count the number of times he got up gimpy this year.
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It just eases the tension! Keep posting! Be gone Moreno!
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