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Old 01-09-2010, 07:18 AM   #1
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The deal is done, apparently. Strange move by him.

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makes no sense to me from carroll's standpoint.
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Old 01-09-2010, 07:45 AM   #3
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I'm pretty sure Paul Allen made him an offer he couldn't refuse. Or that his wife wouldn't let him refuse.
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I bet USC is going to get sanctions....
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Not strange and makes sense. USC is about to be put on probation and lose scholarships - abandon ship!
Did you guys read the blog that followed the story?

Is Carroll headed to Seahawks?

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ESPN's Chris Mortensen is reporting mutual interest between USC coach Pete Carroll and the Seattle Seahawks, which fired coach Jim Mora Friday.

This paragraph is telling:

Carroll did not return messages, but a league source said Carroll is interested in the job and is trying to persuade USC offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates to join him in Seattle -- as opposed to Bates pursuing the same position with the Chicago Bears.


Jesse Beals/Icon SMIPete Carroll, shown here with offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates, has entered another round of NFL coaching speculation.



Why would Carroll leave USC for Seattle, a franchise that has been sagging since a Super Bowl appearance in 2006?

Couple of reasons.

For one, money.

The Seahawks are rich. Their owner, billionaire Paul Allen, is one of the richest men in the world. If the Seahawks covet Carroll, they can open the bank vault for him, which means they can easily beat the $4.4 million Carroll makes annually at USC.

Moreover, Carroll may be ready to exit USC.

You may have heard this, but USC didn't have a good season, based on its recent stratospheric standards. The Trojans finished 9-4 and out of the top 10 for the first time since 2002. For the first time since 2003, USC won't be the Pac-10's preseason favorite next fall.

Even more important: The NCAA's case against Reggie Bush might be coming to a head. With Bush losing his attempt to force confidential arbitration to settle a lawsuit filed by a would-be sports agent who allegedly gave Bush cash and gifts while he played for USC, testimony for the case will be made public. Testimony that the NCAA could use to sanction the football program.

So maybe the timing is right?

Also, it's always been one of Carroll's sore spots that folks believe he was a failure in the NFL. When a reporter asks him why he's been so successful in college when he wasn't as an NFL head coach, he always quibbles with the premise. He was 33-31 in four seasons -- one with the New York Jets and three with the New England Patriots -- and he made the playoffs twice, he'll tell you.

The general feeling long has been that Carroll wanted to eventually re-write his NFL legacy.

On the other hand, he's become entrenched at USC and in Southern California. His charity work, particularly A Better LA, is obviously regionally specific. As a personality, he's much more So-Cal than Northwest.

USC fans may be rolling their eyes at all of this. It's not like this hasn't been the story just about every post-season since 2003.

And Carroll has more than once said he doesn't want to go back to the NFL, consider this quote given to the Miami Herald in 2005 when asked if he wanted another crack at the NFL.

"No," he says. 'I'm a professional college coach. I think the NFL's a wonderful place, man. I love it. The competition at the top you can possibly reach, all the resources and backing. It was awesome to be in that arena. But this is an extraordinary fit for me. I couldn't be happier where I am. I'm having so much fun.''

By the way, this is an excellent source for all the different NFL coaching rumors and stories that have dogged Carroll during his USC career.

It also is fair to ask the question from another perspective: Why would an NFL team want Carroll?

The root of Carroll's success at USC is superior recruiting. That's about charm and salesmanship, two skills with almost zero value in the NFL.

While Carroll has always been a respected Xs and Os guy, his defense floundered the second half of the 2009 season and he seemed to get outflanked by opposing offensive coaches. Moreover, it's reasonable to question a number of his assistant coach hires, including offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates, who seemed like a bad fit with the Trojans.

To go back the NFL, Carroll likely will demand a fairly substantial level of control over staffing and personnel decisions.

So a franchise would have to surrender a lot of money and a lot of control. Recall that the Seahawks once yanked that sort of control away from Mike Holmgren.

But the undercurrent feels stronger here than in the past, particularly on the Carroll side of things. Again, Carroll might feel this is his best opportunity to land a good NFL head coach job.

So let this one play out.

And, if Carroll goes, let's entertain the next topic: Who would replace him at USC?

Oregon State's Mike Riley? TCU's Gary Patterson? Stanford's Jim Harbaugh? An NFL guy?

We shall see.
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USC should make an offer to Jon Gruden.
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I bet USC is going to get sanctions....
yeah, i wouldnt be surprised if they got in trouble again. it seems like every couple years, they are caught doing something. a few years back it was reggie bush, recently oj mayo. carrol probably figures to get out before he gets in any more trouble.
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I bet USC is going to get sanctions....
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Why would he go?

-Rumors of sanctions against SC.

-$7 million a year (highest anyone in college is getting right now is just over $5 million)

-Seahawks are giving him a lot of control (they have no GM currently, and he'll likely have similar power to what Shanny got in DC), plus it's a west coast team which has to hold a lot of appeal to him.

-He's done it all in college, and he probably gets tired of hearing people say he was a failure in the pros (record shows he was above .500 and made the playoffs a couple times).

There are some college coaches who should just stick to college. Saban, Petrino, etc seem to be an example of that. I'm not sold Carroll will have much success at the NFL level, but I can see how the move makes sense for him.

What I cannot understand is what the Seahawks are thinking. Throwing that much power and money at a fairly unproven NFL commodity? When we've seen the recent history of NCAA coaches in the NFL? Sure he has NFL experience, but his paycheck suggests that they are largely hiring him on the merits of his work at USC. Which is bizarre because the factors to running a successful college program are wildly different to running an NFL franchise.
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yeah, i wouldnt be surprised if they got in trouble again. it seems like every couple years, they are caught doing something. a few years back it was reggie bush, recently oj mayo. carrol probably figures to get out before he gets in any more trouble.
Mayo was basketball bush was football...completely different sanctions coming down.


I think he leaves because really what does he have left to accomplish at USC?
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yeah, i wouldnt be surprised if they got in trouble again. it seems like every couple years, they are caught doing something. a few years back it was reggie bush, recently oj mayo. carrol probably figures to get out before he gets in any more trouble.
I dont believe that U$C ever got in trouble for paying Reggie Bush.
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What I cannot understand is what the Seahawks are thinking. Throwing that much power and money at a fairly unproven NFL commodity? When we've seen the recent history of NCAA coaches in the NFL? Sure he has NFL experience, but his paycheck suggests that they are largely hiring him on the merits of his work at USC. Which is bizarre because the factors to running a successful college program are wildly different to running an NFL franchise.
Fair enough, but they have the money to spend and its an organization that desperately needs to make a big statement that things are going to turn around. Good way to do that is to hire a big famous head coach.
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Seahawks still need to comply with the token I mean rooney rule
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It must be nice for Jeremy to feel wanted....in at least two places.
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Let me be the first to say it..... Stoops to USC..... It's thrown out there every time
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The Rooney rule is the biggest token bs out there. The letter of the law might be complied with...but the spirit is being blatantly ignored.
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They have arranged to talk with Lezlie Frazier.
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They have already invited Leslie Fraizer. Paging Dennis Green or Herm Edwards please come over.
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There are some college coaches who should just stick to college. Saban, Petrino, etc seem to be an example of that. I'm not sold Carroll will have much success at the NFL level, but I can see how the move makes sense for him.

What I cannot understand is what the Seahawks are thinking. Throwing that much power and money at a fairly unproven NFL commodity? When we've seen the recent history of NCAA coaches in the NFL? Sure he has NFL experience, but his paycheck suggests that they are largely hiring him on the merits of his work at USC. Which is bizarre because the factors to running a successful college program are wildly different to running an NFL franchise.
Carroll coached twice in the NFL before College and had a respectable record.
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I dont believe that U$C ever got in trouble for paying Reggie Bush.
that is because USC never paid Bush. Outside agent crap. Bush gets in trouble, he is putting USC at risk for those sanctions. It is those ME ME type guys that ruin college programs.
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This is just Carroll taking on the challenge he could never win at, and a fat payday.

Worst case scenario is he gets run out eventually, gets all that 35 million, and is thrown another huge payday but some college team down the road.
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Carroll coached twice in the NFL before College and had a respectable record.
I mentioned that. He made the playoffs twice. He definitely makes more sense that someone like Stoops who has zero NFL head coaching experience.

Still, a record just above .500 and getting fired twice usually isn't criteria for becoming one of the best paid in the league and getting nearly full control of personnel decisions. The Seahawks are throwing everything at his feet because of his success at USC and the name he has made for himself in the college game.
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Word is that Frazier said thanks, but no thanks.
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This is just Carroll taking on the challenge he could never win at

33-31 is hardly 'never winning at'.
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Excellent news.

Now all the juniors need to declare.
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