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Old 01-04-2010, 01:13 AM   #1
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Default Post: Broncos vets requested accountability...

Brandon Marshall apparently picked the wrong time to be late.
According to three team sources, here's the backdrop to Broncos coach Josh McDaniels deciding to bench Marshall for the team's regular-season finale Sunday against the Kansas City Chiefs:
After the Broncos' 30-27 loss at Philadelphia, Brian Dawkins, D.J. Williams, Daniel Graham, Champ Bailey and Kyle Orton met with McDaniels on Monday. Those players communicated the message this was a Denver team loaded with veterans who felt a sense of urgency regarding their chance to make the playoffs.
The veterans urged McDaniels to stress accountability to the team.
The veterans did not single out any player during their group meeting. But Friday, Marshall
showed up late for treatment on a sore hamstring. Given the veterans' message, McDaniels didn't hesitate in deactivating Marshall. McDaniels also benched tight end Tony Scheffler for attitude issues.
As it turned out, Marshall's production was replaced by Jabar Gaffney, who had 14 catches for 213 yards against the Chiefs; by Brandon Lloyd, who had four catches for 95 yards; and by Brandon Stokley, who five catches for 43 yards and a touchdown.
"Those were not the hard decisions," McDaniels said of the benchings. "If it would have been hard, then it would not have been true to what my philosophy has been all along and what I've been saying about building a team and being accountable."


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Old 01-04-2010, 01:16 AM   #2
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It's funny, because now you look at this and say... here's a guy (Marshall) that basically was done playing and said so, after getting the Pro Bowl nod. So, McDaniels made a statement, apparently to appeal to his team leaders.

Making the best of a bad situation?
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It's funny, because now you look at this and say... here's a guy (Marshall) that basically was done playing and said so, after getting the Pro Bowl nod. So, McDaniels made a statement, apparently to appeal to his team leaders.

Making the best of a bad situation?
Yeah! Totally, Popps.

Only to turn around and get into the biggest train wreck of their lives. We got our asses handed to us, could Marshall had made a difference? We'll never know, but we know one thing. Jamaal Charles smacked us in the face with his ****.
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Old 01-04-2010, 05:06 AM   #4
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Marshall's a very good player, but throwing the ball was not the Broncos problem yesterday.
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Yeah! Totally, Popps.

Only to turn around and get into the biggest train wreck of their lives. We got our asses handed to us, could Marshall had made a difference? We'll never know, but we know one thing. Jamaal Charles smacked us in the face with his ****.
True enough and last I saw Marshall stopped playing Safety as a Sophomore or Junior in College.

Yes, Orton's two pick 6s were a dagger in the heart but the victim was already on life support by then and Kyle, Gaffney, Stokely and Moreno (when he got a chance) were the only ones who drove this team, and kept us in the game for 3 quarters as well while our valiant defense laid a real dinosaur egg for four quarters.

Orton had some beautiful passes last night as well. No doubt it could have helped if Marshall had been there and ready to play. Shame on Marshall for playing the 'me-first' game again.

No doubt he could have eliminate some of those timing drops with players that don't get a lot of balls and would have had a lot better chance on that last hail mary to the endzone that got picked when Flowers had position on the smaller Gaffney.

But over all Gaffney did a decent job of filling in for Marshall's production and his absence did not cost us this game. And neither did Orton.
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Marshall wouldn't have stopped Charles from running through huge holes all game long. It's like the Broncos didn't even have a DL out there.
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I wonder if Graham's enough of a "leader" to call himself out after his pathetic performance yesterday.
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Brandon Marshall apparently picked the wrong time to be late.
According to three team sources, here's the backdrop to Broncos coach Josh McDaniels deciding to bench Marshall for the team's regular-season finale Sunday against the Kansas City Chiefs:
After the Broncos' 30-27 loss at Philadelphia, Brian Dawkins, D.J. Williams, Daniel Graham, Champ Bailey and Kyle Orton met with McDaniels on Monday. Those players communicated the message this was a Denver team loaded with veterans who felt a sense of urgency regarding their chance to make the playoffs.
The veterans urged McDaniels to stress accountability to the team.
The veterans did not single out any player during their group meeting. But Friday, Marshall
showed up late for treatment on a sore hamstring. Given the veterans' message, McDaniels didn't hesitate in deactivating Marshall. McDaniels also benched tight end Tony Scheffler for attitude issues.
As it turned out, Marshall's production was replaced by Jabar Gaffney, who had 14 catches for 213 yards against the Chiefs; by Brandon Lloyd, who had four catches for 95 yards; and by Brandon Stokley, who five catches for 43 yards and a touchdown.
"Those were not the hard decisions," McDaniels said of the benchings. "If it would have been hard, then it would not have been true to what my philosophy has been all along and what I've been saying about building a team and being accountable."


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This came out after Denver realized the negative publicity they were going to receive---nothing more than SPIN. why was this not released immediately? This would have painted the Broncos in a more positive light--but instead they have to lick their finger and hold it up to the winds and they realized in wasn't in their favor--so they came up with this. You believe that McD led our team to much improvement over the course of this season, so I have no doubt that you believe in this too.........
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Dawkins reportedly wants to come back and play and "having fun" according to the analysts, so interesting a veteran player who made the Pro Bowl(whose former team made the playoffs) wants to come back and play with such a supposed idiot for a coach. If the players didn't ask for accoutability, it shouldn't be hard to find out if that really happened or not.
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This came out after Denver realized the negative publicity they were going to receive---nothing more than SPIN. why was this not released immediately? This would have painted the Broncos in a more positive light--but instead they have to lick their finger and hold it up to the winds and they realized in wasn't in their favor--so they came up with this. You believe that McD led our team to much improvement over the course of this season, so I have no doubt that you believe in this too.........
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This wreaks of a setup job so that McKid can dump another Pro Bowl skill player in the offseason.

The only thing McKid improved on was our traditional late season collapse, moving the starting date up to October instead of the usual December. 2-8 since the bye. 2 and 8.
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Dawkins reportedly wants to come back and play and "having fun" according to the analysts, so interesting a veteran player who made the Pro Bowl(whose former team made the playoffs) wants to come back and play with such a supposed idiot for a coach. If the players didn't ask for accoutability, it shouldn't be hard to find out if that really happened or not.
I'm glad he's been having fun getting his ass handed to him by the likes of the Raiders, Chiefs and Redskins down the stretch. That makes me warm and fuzzy inside. Anybody else in that locker room having fun getting thumped on in an epic collapse of a season?
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Has any 'veteran player' actually been quoted saying he went to McDaniels and 'requested accountability'? Or just 'unnamed sources' at work again?
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It was all the team captains.
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Always a problem with players. Always an excuse. Same old McDaniels. Of course, it is everyone else according to popps and the "McDaniels is above the Broncos" crowd.
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All I know is the Broncos are "accountable"

And out of the playoffs...again
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Marshall's a very good player, but throwing the ball was not the Broncos problem yesterday.
2 KC defensive touchdowns off interceptions say you are wrong.
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Again - was anyone quoted, on the record, with this 'request'?

Or is it just chatter?
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Again - was anyone quoted, on the record, with this 'request'?

Or is it just chatter?
Orton eluded to it in his post game I think. I'll have to go back and look.
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2 KC defensive touchdowns off interceptions say you are wrong.
That's a tackling problem, not necessarily a throwing problem.
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Interceptions aren't a throwing problem now? What exactly was wrong with Cutler when he was here then? People couldn't tackle? I guess I don't get what you guys have argued all season about Cutler with your statement here.

It is pretty funny how much you defend complete garbage.
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Brian Dawkins, D.J. Williams, Daniel Graham, Champ Bailey and Kyle Orton met with McDaniels
It is funny because that is in fact a list of people who played like **** against the Chiefs, so I guess the accountability they want will extend to themselves. Graham and Bailey could both start by showing their dedication to accountability by accepting greately reduced contracts, Orton has the opportunity to sign a small tender and either stay here or ensure he can be traded for a decent draft pick to another team.

Dawkins and DJ Williams can't do much contract wise, but they can at least own up publicly and show some accountability that way.
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Old 01-04-2010, 07:09 AM   #22
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2 KC defensive touchdowns off interceptions say you are wrong.
Okay. Catching the football was not the wide receivers' problem yesterday.

Point is that Orton threw for 430 yards and Marshall's replacement had over 200 yards himself.

Marshall would not have prevented those pick 6's and I doubt he would have played better than Gaffney did.

Not saying that having him on the field wouldn't help, but a even a team full of Brandon Marshall's with Peyton Hillis playing QB still would have lost by 20.
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Hey guys..... even if we won 49-0 we are at the same point, NO playoffs. Both the Ravens and Jets won yesterday. No single player orcoach cost us a thing yesterday but and embarassing loss to the chiefs.
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No, they were both throwing problems, Orton threw the ball right to a guy who has 4 interceptions in nearly 5 full seasons.
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Lil Hoodie forgot one lesson that he should have learned in NE - don't throw your players under the bus publicly.

Maybe Marshall did need to be disciplined - I don't know. One thing is certain - Mickey D should have handled much of what he has said behind closed doors, not at the microphone.

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