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Old 12-28-2009, 12:45 AM   #1
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Default Orton statistically better than Cutler in 2009

with essentially the same number of attempts (485 attempts for Orton vs 484 attempts for Cutler)

Orton:

304 completions at a 62.7% completion percentage
3371 yards
20 TD and 9 INT
sacked 27 times
89.3 rating

Cutler:

294 completions at a 60.7% completion percentage
3117 yards
19 TD and 25 INT
sacked 31 times
71.1 rating


Cutler will be able to pad his stats tonight unless he gets benched again, but the above comparison is the real apples to apples comparison because the sample size is essentially equal. after the MNF, it won't be.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/pl...9/seasontype/2

my conclusion... the problems with the Broncos offense are not primarily due to the QB.
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Old 12-28-2009, 12:51 AM   #2
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ps - i'm surprised by this. i expected Cutler to put up better numbers than Orton, except for INTs. i always knew Cutler would throw more picks.
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Old 12-28-2009, 12:52 AM   #3
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Meh. Give Cutler Brandon Marshall and how do you think these stats would turn out?
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Old 12-28-2009, 12:53 AM   #4
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...and Eddie Royal for that matter.
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Old 12-28-2009, 12:59 AM   #5
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Cutler sucks..That's the only good thing Mcd has done this season.
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Old 12-28-2009, 01:01 AM   #6
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Old 12-28-2009, 01:03 AM   #7
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Meh. Give Cutler Brandon Marshall and how do you think these stats would turn out?
22 INTs?

Oh wait, that was last year.
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Quitler screws the pooch again this week, and he's in danger of a QB rating in the 60s for the SEASON. ****ing brutal.

A good game next week and Orton could be at 90.

Cutler has given the ball away 25 times, and fumbled 8. That's 33 times he's ****ed his team in a major way.

That's just staggering.

He has a realistic chance to end the season with 40 combined INTs/fumbles.

He may turn into something some day, but so far... he's been horrible. He was a false-idol in Denver and just pure trash in Chicago.
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Old 12-28-2009, 01:09 AM   #9
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Meh. Give Cutler Brandon Marshall and how do you think these stats would turn out?
who knows? what about Brady without Moss? or Manning without Wayne? all i know is that very near the end of the season, with an equal sample size, Orton has been better. that's surprising to me. i can't imagine anyone would have take that bet back in August. reminds me a bit of the 13-3 Plummer season, except for the 13-3 part (d'oh!).
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Old 12-28-2009, 01:24 AM   #10
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We'll never know because Cutler is a traitor b****.
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Old 12-28-2009, 05:34 AM   #11
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Last year Orton had better stats than Brett Favre.

Who's better, Kyle Orton or Brett Favre? Think it has something to do with the team around them?
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Old 12-28-2009, 05:37 AM   #12
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We'll never know because Cutler is a traitor b****.
Exactly, it was Cutler who chose to abandon this team and all the young talent surrounding him. Not the wisest of career choices, if you ask me. He's made his bed yet people are still trying to makes excuses for him. Sad and pathetic. But then again, it's not the first time TJ has been on the wrong side of a QB debate.
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Old 12-28-2009, 05:39 AM   #13
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What do we average AS A TEAM on a points per game basis DESPITE adding quality WR depth and a first round RB? 20.1 pts/game

Yeah--Orton is better for the Broncos than Cutler would have been ..........I am waiting for your punch line

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...true&Submit=Go
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Old 12-28-2009, 06:26 AM   #14
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Last year 13 turnovers from the D
This year 34 turnovers from the D
Thats 2.5 more turnovers a game
I hate Jay for leaving but with that amount of turnovers Cutler leads us to more points.

Not once yesterday did I say our O was going to pull this out even after starting drives near midfield 4 times for 3 points.
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Orton has been a better QB for us this year than Cutler was last year.

Cutler had a lot more yards, but he did throw the ball a lot more than Kyle has done this year. In terms of yards per passing attempt, Orton has 6.95 this year while Cutler had 7.35.

With the same amount of attempts this year as Cutler had last year, Orton would be on course for about 250 yards less than Cutler had in 08.

If we give Orton a 2 TD - 1 INT game next week, he comes out with 22 TD's and 10 INT's on the year.

I'll take that over 25 TD's and 18 INT's every day of the week, personally.

Running game was more effective last year as well... Of course, this was mostly due to the sheer terror teams had of playing Jay Cutler, which is why Chicago has had such a dominant running game this year as well.
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Not once yesterday did I say our O was going to pull this out even after starting drives near midfield 4 times for 3 points.
Not even after they scored 17 unanswered pts to tie the game? Weird. Most of their victories early on in the season were come from behind victories. What short memories we have.
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ps - i'm surprised by this. i expected Cutler to put up better numbers than Orton, except for INTs. i always knew Cutler would throw more picks.
Meh! I thought after going 6-0 Orton's game management skills and ability just about guaranteed we make it to the playoffs!
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Not even after they scored 17 unanswered pts to tie the game? Weird. Most of their victories early on in the season were come from behind victories. What short memories we have.
What happend in week 4 and 5 doesn't really effect how I feel in week 16.
What I saw in Indy was more likely to happen than what happen in week 4.
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What do we average AS A TEAM on a points per game basis DESPITE adding quality WR depth and a first round RB? 20.1 pts/game

Yeah--Orton is better for the Broncos than Cutler would have been ..........I am waiting for your punch line

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...true&Submit=Go
Orton maybe the first NFL QB to lead his team to a 6-0 start and not lead the team to the playoffs!

Notice how none of the homers aren't discussing this fact.
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this is what really sucks. McDaniels would have been good for Jay.
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Old 12-28-2009, 07:10 AM   #21
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Orton maybe the first NFL QB to lead his team to a 6-0 start and not lead the team to the playoffs!

Notice how none of the homers aren't discussing this fact.
Because it has little to do with Orton. It's a TEAM game. And the team around him isn't playing nearly as well as they were during the 6-0 run. But he is actually playing better individually than he was for much of the 6-0 run.
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Old 12-28-2009, 07:10 AM   #22
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These comparisons are getting old.

Who knows how good this offense could have been with Cutler? I mean really, why drive yourself insane trying to figure that out? Fact is, he's gone. He's signed a long term deal with the bears and he's going to either win or wallow there and there is nothing any of us can do about it.

As for Orton, he's better than many fans thought he was (just ask bears fans) but he's still not anywhere close to an elite QB. He's been a nice addition to a team in transition and I think it would be nice if posters here just admit how good he's been for this team, even with his flaws.

Cutler can be great, but he is the one holding himself back. It may take him another 3 years before he finally realizes that in order to win, he needs to put his ego aside and simply make his team better by not throwing INTs and by not forcing the ball. He's got the talent, he just doesn't have the mindset that a great QB needs in order to get his team to the SB.
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Old 12-28-2009, 07:17 AM   #23
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Last year Orton had better stats than Brett Favre.

Who's better, Kyle Orton or Brett Favre? Think it has something to do with the team around them?
That, and the torn arm tendon Brett had last year!
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Old 12-28-2009, 07:28 AM   #24
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Orton had a good year statistically. Which tells me he can get it done. One thing though we struggle in the redzone again. Our play selection sucks for the most part. We cannot run the ball. Moreno has regressed. We need to be able to run the ball and run it with authority. We need to get better on Defense as well. yes i know we are pretty damn good but there are a few things that we could do better. We need to get playoff expirence. Orton has horrible pocket awareness that is something we can help though with a better Offensive line. Situational football killed this team this year something Mcdaniels stressed.
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Old 12-28-2009, 07:41 AM   #25
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And Orton was statistically very similar to Cutler during their respective 2008 campaigns. One was better in some categories, the other better in some others. I guess the bottom line is when all is said and done - for me - I'd rather have Orton than Cutler.
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