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Old 12-27-2009, 05:23 PM   #1
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I know Orton is liked. I know that he's a good leader. I know that he has a good record. I know that he protects the ball for the most part.

But how long can we continue to try and live off slants to BMarsh and bubble screens? We need to get the ball down the field. It'd also help the running game.

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Old 12-27-2009, 05:25 PM   #2
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We need a lot of new things. QB is just the tip of the iceberg.
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Old 12-27-2009, 05:25 PM   #3
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Old 12-27-2009, 05:32 PM   #4
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Umm, I don't think NEW is the right answer because I think we have a good QB in the making in Brandstater and he is already on the roster. A new STARTER, yes. Orton cannot be the starter next year. He cannot be signed for anything other then as a backup long term or a very very short term bigger deal. It's going to be interesting to see how this unfolds. Josh is very competitive and I don't know that he is going to stay with Orton. He will defend him to the death right now because it's the guy he has leading the team right now.
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Old 12-27-2009, 05:37 PM   #5
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Open QB competition would be very interesting next year.

This board would implode with Brandstater hype though. It'd be epic.
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Old 12-27-2009, 05:41 PM   #6
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I agree while at the same time thinking that Orton isn't even remotely the whole, and perhaps not largest, problem. I'd start with improvements to both lines. With a running game and better protection Orton would be better.
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Something tells me we'll be using one of our first 3 picks to make the QB situation much more solid next season. Either through trade or draft.

I hope we draft all offensive line and a pickup a few more quality FA's like last offseason.
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Old 12-27-2009, 06:40 PM   #8
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I'm not sure what happened after the bye. When we started 6-0, Orton was good about spreading the ball out to different receivers. I'm wondering more and more about the playcalling...
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I'm not sure what happened after the bye. When we started 6-0, Orton was good about spreading the ball out to different receivers. I'm wondering more and more about the playcalling...
There is a fine line between winning and losing sometimes. It's not like we were exactly tearing up teams during our 6-0 run, especially when you figure in that was the easiest part of the schedule and we were totally healthy. I don't think McD drew up a whole new set of plays after that. I think it was more of the schedule, injuries and player mistakes. Yeah, McD has made some mistakes also but too many people here are laying too much blame on him, as if he was the one who blew an assignment on a fake FG in Washington, or missing a block which allowed a defender to sack Orton and cause a fumble, etc.
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I'm not sure what happened after the bye. When we started 6-0, Orton was good about spreading the ball out to different receivers. I'm wondering more and more about the playcalling...
Teams got film on the offense, figured out what Orton can do it and what he can not. Then they forced him to make those plays that he struggles with.
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Kellen Clemens is a free agent, I think. He does not have tons of experience in the pro level, but still young enough to be coached up.

Although in ability, he may be in the same boat as Kyle Orton, can he take this team and win?
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The main problem with Orton is this. Unless you're a Manning or Brady type of QB where your understanding of defenses is top notch and your accuracy and timing is impeccable, you need another dimension to your game. Somebody like Big Ben, his dimension is that he is a master in the pocket and can complete passes almost at will with defenders hanging on him. He turns busted plays into big plays. Rivers, well he throws a mean deep ball with great accuracy. Orton doesn't really have anything he can do extremely well since he isn't deadly accurate like a Manning. He doesn't have great pocket movement, he doesn't throw a great deep ball (even though we don't do it much, maybe this is a reason why), he doesn't have any wheels what so ever so he cannot even rush for a 1st down if there is room to run. Defenses don't have to spy him and they don't really have to play for the long ball. They can focus on stopping the run and the short passes.
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Orton frustrates me with his lack of athleticism, why can't he run 2 yards (6 effing feet) for a first down?
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I know Orton is liked. I know that he's a good leader. I know that he has a good record. I know that he protects the ball for the most part.

But how long can we continue to try and live off slants to BMarsh and bubble screens? We need to get the ball down the field. It'd also help the running game.

Discuss.
Yes, we need a QB. And yes the Broncos need to tell Orton to pack his **** and leave the day after the season is over.
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Old 12-27-2009, 08:05 PM   #15
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Orton is not a difference maker.

The Broncos need someone who can get the ball more than 10 yards down the field to more than one receiver.

Draft Sam Bradford.
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Old 12-27-2009, 08:10 PM   #16
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I know Orton is liked. I know that he's a good leader. I know that he has a good record. I know that he protects the ball for the most part.

But how long can we continue to try and live off slants to BMarsh and bubble screens? We need to get the ball down the field. It'd also help the running game.

Discuss.
There were at least 6 or 7 nice plays where they pushed the ball 15-20 yards down the field today. Almost all their scoring drives were the result of methodical drives with lots of the safe, boring plays of 10 yards or less. It wasn't until they tried to push the ball deep down the field that something bad (the INT) happened, so take that for what it's worth.
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We need a QB that is better than Simms, Cutler and Orton.
I am sick of having QB's that are liable..
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Old 12-27-2009, 08:26 PM   #18
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Open QB competition would be very interesting next year.

This board would implode with Brandstater hype though. It'd be epic.
I can hardly wait for the Brandstarter hype train to leave the station. This board gets behind the weirdest players.
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Orton frustrates me with his lack of athleticism, why can't he run 2 yards (6 effing feet) for a first down?
I was yelling at the bar about that....
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We need one at some point but the o-line needs fixing.

We are getting killed, players are just getting ran over and man handled up front.
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I know Orton is liked. I know that he's a good leader. I know that he has a good record. I know that he protects the ball for the most part.

But how long can we continue to try and live off slants to BMarsh and bubble screens? We need to get the ball down the field. It'd also help the running game.

Discuss.
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The main problem with Orton is this. Unless you're a Manning or Brady type of QB where your understanding of defenses is top notch and your accuracy and timing is impeccable, you need another dimension to your game. Somebody like Big Ben, his dimension is that he is a master in the pocket and can complete passes almost at will with defenders hanging on him. He turns busted plays into big plays. Rivers, well he throws a mean deep ball with great accuracy. Orton doesn't really have anything he can do extremely well since he isn't deadly accurate like a Manning. He doesn't have great pocket movement, he doesn't throw a great deep ball (even though we don't do it much, maybe this is a reason why), he doesn't have any wheels what so ever so he cannot even rush for a 1st down if there is room to run. Defenses don't have to spy him and they don't really have to play for the long ball. They can focus on stopping the run and the short passes.
Tell me something I don't know or opposing defenses don't know. I've been behind him all year till the last few games. He does protect the ball but I've seen many times where he throws the ball to someone either behind him or into coverage when he has someone else wide open. He is bad at avoiding the sack and his pocket presence sucks. He should be at the point right now where he should be progressing in this offense(considering that the playcalling and OL sucks)better than what he has. I'm ready to move on.
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Let me get this straight:

We just scored 27 pts with no run game, terrible Oline play, nothing out of Marshall, terrible coaching and a liability at QB, against a defense that gives up 20 pts per game on average. How can all of the above be true? It can't.
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Let me get this straight:

We just scored 27 pts with no run game, terrible Oline play, nothing out of Marshall, terrible coaching and a liability at QB, against a defense that gives up 20 pts per game on average. How can all of the above be true? It can't.
We should have won given our field position in the second half. Even thought we did score we should have gotten many more points instead of the 3 and outs. There is enough blame to go around but the most goes to the offense.
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We should have won given our field position in the second half. Even thought we did score we should have gotten many more points instead of the 3 and outs. There is enough blame to go around but the most goes to the offense.
No way. Some blame? Sure. But no way should the defense get less blame than the offense when they gave up 30 pts (probably 34 if Philly actually pressed the issue on the last drive), 400+ yards of Philly offense, etc.
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