16 rights groups: "World has betrayed people of Gaza..."

[mhgaffney]

Did the US media bother to mention this? Of course not.

We see again the impotence of the peace movement -- when the issue is Israeli brutality and genocide.

People that are no different than you and me are literally starving in the world's largest concentration camp. But most Americans have been brainwashed and believe they are just a bunch of terrorists, anyway.

MHG


World Has Betrayed Gaza Civilians: Rights Groups

By AFP

http://www.france24.com/en/node/4954013

December 22, 2009 "AFP" - - The world has "betrayed" civilians in the Gaza Strip by failing to end a blockade of the Hamas-run enclave, 16 rights groups, including Amnesty International and Oxfam, said Tuesday.

"The international community has betrayed the people of Gaza by failing to back their words with effective action to secure the ending of the Israeli blockade which is preventing reconstruction and recovery," said the report.

Israel and Egypt have allowed only vital humanitarian aid into the territory since the Islamist Hamas seized power there in June 2007.

"It is not only Israel that has failed the people of Gaza with a blockade that punishes everybody living there for the acts of a few," said Jeremy Hobbs, executive director of Oxfam International.

"World powers have also failed and even betrayed Gaza's ordinary citizens. They have wrung hands and issued statements, but have taken little meaningful action to attempt to change the damaging policy that prevents reconstruction."

The groups said that Israel had allowed only 41 truckloads of construction materials into Gaza since a devastating 22-day war launched by the Jewish state nearly a year ago ended with mutual ceasefires on January 18.

"Little of the extensive damage the offensive caused to homes, civilian infrastructure, public services, farms and businesses has been repaired" because of the shortages, the report said.

Some 1,400 Palestinians and 13 Israelis were killed during the war, which flattened portions of Gaza, an impoverished territory where the vast majority of the population relies on foreign aid.

Israel controls all but one of Gaza's border crossings, the Rafah terminal with Egypt, which Cairo rarely opens.

"Sick, traumatised and impoverished people are being collectively punished by a cruel, illegal policy imposed by the Israeli authorities," said Kate Allen, director of Amnesty International UK.

"Israel's responsibility to protect its citizens does not give it the right to punish every man, woman and child of Gaza," she added.

The groups also urged rival Palestinian factions to create a unified government capable of delivering aid, and said militant groups should refrain from rocket attacks from Gaza.

"Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups, too, must maintain their current de facto cessation of violence and permanently cease all indiscriminate firing of rockets into Israel," Hobbs wrote.

The report called on European foreign ministers to visit Gaza to see the damage for themselves and urged the EU to do all it can to lift the blockade.

Other groups signing the report include: Broederlijk Delen, CAFOD, CCFD Terre Solidaire, Christian Aid, Church of Swede

[Dukes]

[mhgaffney]

typical nonsense post by Dukes --- who is well programmed.

BF Skinner would be proud.

[Dukes]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

typical nonsense post by Dukes --- who is well programmed.

BF Skinner would be proud.

Keep playing the victim card. It'll get you nowhere, like always.

[Bronx33]

The palistinians are doing nothing to help change things and it appears they want their children to carry the torch of hate long after they themselves are dead.

Palestinian Textbooks Teach Anti-Israel Hate

[mhgaffney]

hey Bronx,

You do not know what you are talking about. Every post you make is a cliche.

If anyone had done to Americans even a fraction of what was done to the Palestinians -- you would have been rioting and bombing and killing long ago.

MHG

[Rohirrim]

It's like Northern Ireland; somebody has to stop the killing first. Otherwise, it will simply go on forever. The Hatfields and the McCoys.

[Bronx33]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

It's like Northern Ireland; somebody has to stop the killing first. Otherwise, it will simply go on forever. The Hatfields and the McCoys.

Exactly

[Bronx33]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

hey Bronx,

You do not know what you are talking about. Every post you make is a cliche.

If anyone had done to Americans even a fraction of what was done to the Palestinians -- you would have been rioting and bombing and killing long ago.

MHG

It's a well know fact gaffo iam sorry you choose to ignore it.

[mhgaffney]

Bronx,

You and the rest are like well trained puppy dogs. From the time you were very little you have been programmed to think and react a certain way.

And so, now, you dismiss the Palestinians right on cue. It's all you know -- how to vomit on command.

Meanwhile, unbeknownst to you, the puppet maestros, the Zionists and their allies, are snickering at you (because of your stupidity) in their martinis.

You are so easily duped, after all.

Yes -- let's look at N Ireland -- and compare it with the Palestinian-Israel conflict. Ro is mistaken, however.

The conflict in N Ireland did NOT end because the killing stopped. It ended when the Brits finally agree to sit down and pursue serious negotiations with the IRA. The British had to compromise -- and they did -- they accommodated the most serious grievances of the Irish people.

But Israel refuses to negotiate. This is the log jam -- and has been for a long time. For many years Israel refused to sit down with the PLO - just as they now refuse to talk with Hamas.

The Palestinians are ready to talk -- at any time. So why does Israel refuse? Fools like you have swallowed and internalized the silly demand that Hamas must first recognize Israel. That is nonsense -- given that Israel has never declared its borders. Israel is a state without borders -- probably the only one on earth. So which entity is Hamas supposed to recognize?

Obviously the so called implacable hatred of the Palestinians is not the real reason Israel refuses to talk. So what IS the reason?

It's very simple. Israel has no intention of talking because peace would entail serious compromise. ISrael would have to give back the W Bank -- and withdraw its troops.

But Israel refuses. It has no intention of giving back any of the land/property it stole from the Palestinians. Why should they?

The Zionists think they have won the conflict. So why talk?

Besides, they control the US government -- everyone except maybe Obama -- and we've seen he is a toothless leader.

They control the Congress. They and their allies control the US media and Hollywood. So they can and do shape opinion to whatever they want. If they want another war -- they set the propaganda machine in motion -- and before you know it -- the polls reflect the new "reality."

You clowns are stereotypes yourselves. Your so called opinions are nothing more than a bundle of conditioned responses. So very sad...

But the worst is yet to come. The future is dark...
MHG

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Bronx,

You and the rest are like well trained puppy dogs. From the time you were very little you have been programmed to think and react a certain way.

And so, now, you dismiss the Palestinians right on cue. It's all you know -- how to vomit on command.

Meanwhile, unbeknownst to you, the puppet maestros, the Zionists and their allies, are snickering at you (because of your stupidity) in their martinis.

You are so easily duped, after all.

Yes -- let's look at N Ireland -- and compare it with the Palestinian-Israel conflict. Ro is mistaken, however.

The conflict in N Ireland did NOT end because the killing stopped. It ended when the Brits finally agree to sit down and pursue serious negotiations with the IRA. The British had to compromise -- and they did -- they accommodated the most serious grievances of the Irish people.

But Israel refuses to negotiate. This is the log jam -- and has been for a long time. For many years Israel refused to sit down with the PLO - just as they now refuse to talk with Hamas.

The Palestinians are ready to talk -- at any time. So why does Israel refuse? Fools like you have swallowed and internalized the silly demand that Hamas must first recognize Israel. That is nonsense -- given that Israel has never declared its borders. Israel is a state without borders -- probably the only one on earth. So which entity is Hamas supposed to recognize?

Obviously the so called implacable hatred of the Palestinians is not the real reason Israel refuses to talk. So what IS the reason?

It's very simple. Israel has no intention of talking because peace would entail serious compromise. ISrael would have to give back the W Bank -- and withdraw its troops.

But Israel refuses. It has no intention of giving back any of the land/property it stole from the Palestinians. Why should they?

The Zionists think they have won the conflict. So why talk?

Besides, they control the US government -- everyone except maybe Obama -- and we've seen he is a toothless leader.

They control the Congress. They and their allies control the US media and Hollywood. So they can and do shape opinion to whatever they want. If they want another war -- they set the propaganda machine in motion -- and before you know it -- the polls reflect the new "reality."

You clowns are stereotypes yourselves. Your so called opinions are nothing more than a bundle of conditioned responses. So very sad...

But the worst is yet to come. The future is dark...
MHG

When you don't know what you're talking about you should have the sense to shut up. What ended the fighting in Northern Ireland was when the IRA announced a cease fire in May of 1994. They stated they would put down their weapons and not be the ones who broke the peace. That's what started the road to the Good Friday Agreement.

Your view of geopolitics is right out of a comic book. You've got the Darth Zionists on one side and the poor little Ewok Palestinians on the other. It's a little more complex than that.

[Bronx33]

Darth Zionists on one side and the poor little Ewok Palestinians

Thats some funny shyt..

[SoCalBronco]

Give the Jergens bottle a break, Gaff.

[mhgaffney]

Ro blames the victims of political oppression for the violence it invariably breeds.

He puts the onus on the IRA for the violence in N Ireland -- and overlooks the fact that Britain militarily colonized N Ireland -- and instituted heavy repression to keep the Irish under British rule.

Similarly, Ro blames the Palestinians -- also victims -- for the violence in Palestine -- even tho the Zionist plan from the beginning of the Zionist project -- BEFORE the Holocaust - involved the theft of Palestine from the indigenous Arab population.

Ro is blind to the fact that Israeli intransigence is the reason for the present impasse. Like so many liberals -- he is in denial about the cruel reality of Zionism. He takes the easy way out -- rationalizes his own cowardice - by blaming the victims.

Zionism is a bridge too far for Ro --- too tough to face.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Ro blames the victims of political oppression for the violence it invariably breeds.

He puts the onus on the IRA for the violence in N Ireland -- and overlooks the fact that Britain militarily colonized N Ireland -- and instituted heavy repression to keep the Irish under British rule.

Similarly, Ro blames the Palestinians -- also victims -- for the violence in Palestine -- even tho the Zionist plan from the beginning of the Zionist project -- BEFORE the Holocaust - involved the theft of Palestine from the indigenous Arab population.

Ro is blind to the fact that Israeli intransigence is the reason for the present impasse. Like so many liberals -- he is in denial about the cruel reality of Zionism. He takes the easy way out -- rationalizes his own cowardice - by blaming the victims.

Zionism is a bridge too far for Ro --- too tough to face.

Once again, you missed the point. Why am I not surprised? I didn't blame anybody. My grandparents on my mother's side came over from Ireland in the beginning of the 20th century. My grandmother cursed the "Black and Tanners" to her dying day. In my family, we sent checks to the IRA. My point was, somebody has to stop the violence first. I have always said, had the Palestinians employed the tactics of Gandhi, they would have been free and living in their own state decades ago. Every rocket they fire gives the Zionist extremists more strength. You also fail to bring up, in your comic book analyses, that there are many in Israel as well who want the killing to stop. It is the extremists on both sides who refuse to give up their hate. The only thing that will stop the war is an act of peace, not further acts of war. Rent a clue.

BTW, why do you argue in the third person? It's kind of creepy. It's like you have some secret audience somewhere out there.

[mhgaffney]

Ro,

You may be surprised to discover that -- in part -- I agree with you. I believe the Palestinians would have made more progress IF they had adopted the methods of Gandhi.

Some Palestinians have tried to do so. I know one case where the Israelis moved quickly to exile a Palestinian leader -- who advocated non violent resistance -- no doubt because the Israelis view his Gandhian approach as particularly dangerous.

You can understand why the Israelis would fear non violence. From the standpoint of propaganda - -they would have had a much more difficult time demonizing the Palestinians.

But in the end it is not for you or me to preach to the Palestinians.

For the record -- Gandhi himself opposed the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine -- and spoke out against it. Who knows? Had he not been assassinated -- he might had had more influence --

No doubt the Zionists would have targeted Gandhi for a smear job -- had he lived.

The rocket issue is bogus. The fact you don't know this shows you have not done any research. The Hamas rockets are the equivalent of something you might fabricate in your garage -- made out of bailing wire. They pose absolutely no threat to the existence of Israel.

The rockets are inconsequential from a military standpoint -- ineffectual as weapons. They are more a measure of the will of the people to resist oppression than anything. Why do you NOT recognize the Palestinians' right to defend themselves? You should try listening for a change , instead of preaching to the darkies.

That said, I would agree that the rockets have helped Israel win the propaganda war.

You are clueless about the big picture. Giving up hate is another bogus issue. Did the American colonies win their freedom from Britain by giving up hate? Did giving up their hate of the white man save the Native Americans? Get serious.

The Palestine conflict is about real estate. The problem is that the Zionist extremists and their allies -- the USA -- have 99% of the military power. The Palestinians are essentially unarmed -=- and have only international law and the moral high ground on their side.

[cutthemdown]

Gaff the most important thing for the Palestinians to realize is that unless you can win a military conflict, you are better off not starting it.

Terrorism like the Palestinians use only works on an occupying force that plans to leave someday, not one like Israel which will fight to the last Jewish settler. SO unless you think you can beat then you better not go that route.

Palestinians main problems are
1- corruption and bad leadership
2- countries that pretend to be there friends, but only do it to fight with Israel in a proxy battle
3- Christians feel more in common with Jews and Muslims seem scary

[cutthemdown]

So what do they do?

Elect hamas, keep cozying up to Hezzbollah and Syria, and Muslims go on a rampage blowing people up all over the world.

It's over with for the Palestinians, they will never win now.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Ro,

You may be surprised to discover that -- in part -- I agree with you. I believe the Palestinians would have made more progress IF they had adopted the methods of Gandhi.

Some Palestinians have tried to do so. I know one case where the Israelis moved quickly to exile a Palestinian leader -- who advocated non violent resistance -- no doubt because the Israelis view his Gandhian approach as particularly dangerous.

You can understand why the Israelis would fear non violence. From the standpoint of propaganda - -they would have had a much more difficult time demonizing the Palestinians.

But in the end it is not for you or me to preach to the Palestinians.

For the record -- Gandhi himself opposed the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine -- and spoke out against it. Who knows? Had he not been assassinated -- he might had had more influence --

No doubt the Zionists would have targeted Gandhi for a smear job -- had he lived.

The rocket issue is bogus. The fact you don't know this shows you have not done any research. The Hamas rockets are the equivalent of something you might fabricate in your garage -- made out of bailing wire. They pose absolutely no threat to the existence of Israel.

The rockets are inconsequential from a military standpoint -- ineffectual as weapons. They are more a measure of the will of the people to resist oppression than anything. Why do you NOT recognize the Palestinians' right to defend themselves? You should try listening for a change , instead of preaching to the darkies.

That said, I would agree that the rockets have helped Israel win the propaganda war.

You are clueless about the big picture. Giving up hate is another bogus issue. Did the American colonies win their freedom from Britain by giving up hate? Did giving up their hate of the white man save the Native Americans? Get serious.

The Palestine conflict is about real estate. The problem is that the Zionist extremists and their allies -- the USA -- have 99% of the military power. The Palestinians are essentially unarmed -=- and have only international law and the moral high ground on their side.

Then that's their choice. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

[Requiem]

I don't agree with Gaffney ever, might think his history is a little shaken-up, but there is no doubt that America and the rest of the free world have failed the Palestinians. The civil rights abuses by the Israeli's via blockade are absolutely reprehensible. This is not to say that the Palestinians and similar brethren who partake in violent terrorism should be excused for their actions and violence against Israeli's. Point is, from my perspective, and how I've viewed this issue, is that Israel has blatantly gone out of their way to make the lives of everyday Palestinian's harder through the conflict. The way they have manipulated borders, managed resources and created significant cultural divide showing a complete ignorance and abhorrence to Law.

A few posters here have come to some conclusions as to the root of the problem, and I do not disagree. I'd take it a little further, Cut.

First and foremost, the Palestinians and Israeli's are being represented by two-faced politicians who will do anything for a dollar. The Israeli government has been corrupt since its inception, and is lead and mostly composed of diehards (especially with this past election cycle) who have a penchant towards ceasing any furthered, bettered relations from the Palestinians. The corrupt nature of politik is not exempt from the Palestinians, who too have their fair amount (and then some) of political possums within their own system. Therein lies the problem, the biggest one in my eyes. The polarized nature of those representing their constituents.

I think Gaffney is right on another thing. The Palestinians, by in large, have only international law and the moral high ground on their side. It is just too bad in the world of politics, that international law is highly scoffed at, and nobody these days really gives a **** about the morality of things. Just look at the world now. How unfortunate. Another reason why things will never get better in this regard.

If the violence in Gaza and the West Bank (and all other areas) is to ever stop, I truly do believe the burden in this regard comes from the Israeli's. They are the ones who have to pony up and stop these abuses that help create more conflict on the other side. There needs to be some sort of reconciliation on their behalf and land forgiveness. It probably will never happen. Sadly.

Just some of my thoughts.

[Bronx33]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Then that's their choice. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

The problem with palistinians is their religon dying for allah is perfectly acceptable infact an honor. Thats the complete oppostite of how we as americans feel about war ( we want to survive it) and the jews think the same but you're correct about Live by the sword, die by the sword analogy, sadly palistinians want to die which meddles up any negotiation process even more so when they reject everything and will only settle for total removal of isreal.If anything is going to get done palistinians have to be more open as far as choices to end the violence.

[Requiem]

Extremist Islam in regards to Jihad is no different than tenents of Judeo-Christian doctrine speaking, "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth." Same damn thing. Martyrdom is a concept that can be found in almost all of the world's largest and popular religions. (Not a coincidence either.)

[Bronx33]

Originally Posted by Requiem

Extremist Islam in regards to Jihad is no different than tenents of Judeo-Christian doctrine speaking, "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth." Same damn thing. Martyrdom is a concept that can be found in almost all of the world's largest and popular religions. (Not a coincidence either.)

I don't think it applies in this situation i don't see many jewish suicide bombers running around blowing people at shopping at market places, dying for allah for them is like driving to the store for milk for you and me.

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by Bronx33

I don't think it applies in this situation i don't see many jewish suicide bombers running around blowing people at shopping at market places, dying for allah for them is like driving to the store for milk for you and me.

My point was to show that martrydom is not a concept exclusive to Islam and those partaking in global jihad against infidels and all those against Allah. It doesn't have to be the act (or way) a person goes about their dedication to God. Just the similarity of a like-minded ideology amongst world religions is enough to show that extremists exist the world over, and have and will continue to so.

And no, dying for Allah amongst Muslims is not like driving to the store for milk. The number of those who actually partake in terrorist activity and adhere to a strict fundamentalist style of Islam are extremely slim. However, it will continue to increase, as long as Israel occupies the land they do and have no will to cease the civil rights and humanitarian abuses they play out on a day-to-day basis.

[Bronx33]

Originally Posted by Requiem

My point was to show that martrydom is not a concept exclusive to Islam and those partaking in global jihad against infidels and all those against Allah. It doesn't have to be the act (or way) a person goes about their dedication to God. Just the similarity of a like-minded ideology amongst world religions is enough to show that extremists exist the world over, and have and will continue to so.

And no, dying for Allah amongst Muslims is not like driving to the store for milk. The number of those who actually partake in terrorist activity and adhere to a strict fundamentalist style of Islam are extremely slim. However, it will continue to increase, as long as Israel occupies the land they do and have no will to cease the civil rights and humanitarian abuses they play out on a day-to-day basis.

I have watched preperation videos of suicide bombers they were laughing and joking like the guy was going away on a trip i have seen videos of palintinian mothers saying goodbye to her son just before he goes and blows himself up ( she said she was proud of him) they are not helping the situation it only prolongs it.



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