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Old 12-22-2009, 09:45 PM   #1
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Default Once upon a time we had an Offense...

Or did we? Opinions will differ greatly on this one...

But then it happened...

...McD had a beautiful dream. Pink hearts, blue diamands, red hearts kind of stuff here.

A solution to fix all problems concerning the Offense. The plan could not fail. It was so simple yet pure genius.

It was almost like a movie .... yet real somehow.

Almost manafest destiny-like in it's breadth and scope. This would be our plan. THE PLAN!

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Old 12-22-2009, 11:40 PM   #2
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Old 12-23-2009, 12:02 AM   #4
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okay, I read your post and I still don't know what point you are trying to make. That we all might have a different opinion on if we had a good offense last year? And so the point would be...........?
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Last time we had an offense that put up over 400 points in a season Brian Griese was our QB. Since 2006 we've been beyond average. Odd trend.


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Actually we were 2nd in yards.

Our lack of anything resembling a running back made us ask Cutler to force plays.

We havent had a good OL since 2000 before last year.

GTFO. Our line isn't as bad as our playcalling, it's obvious.
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Actually we were 2nd in yards.

Our lack of anything resembling a running back made us ask Cutler to force plays.

We havent had a good OL since 2000 before last year.

GTFO. Our line isn't as bad as our playcalling, it's obvious.
we averaged 4.5ypc on the ground, that was like 2nd in the NFL. and dont tell me it was because cutler stretched the field, if taht was true chicago would have SOMETHING that resembles a running game this year. they dont. we were a dominant rushing team that stopped running the damn ball for no reason other than to let cutler air it out.
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Sorry,you make no sense.

You want to kow the truth?

The NFL has been a p***Y league since 2000.

It sucks even in HDTV, in fact, worse.

BTW, moron, we ran becaus it's called football.

Don't bring up Chicago, there are teams that will dominate in the playoffs, id the refs will let them.

The NFL is almost becoming lame.
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Sorry,you make no sense.

You want to kow the truth?

The NFL has been a p***Y league since 2000.

It sucks even in HDTV, in fact, worse.

BTW, moron, we ran becaus it's called football.

Don't bring up Chicago, there are teams that will dominate in the playoffs, id the refs will let them.

The NFL is almost becoming lame.
not gonna lie mock, i dont know what the hell you are talking about.
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The NF has been neutered,

HDTV makes the game better at home.

The passing game is dominant now because it's more exciting for the ignorant.

I'm sorry.
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Last time we had an offense that put up over 400 points in a season Brian Griese was our QB. Since 2006 we've been beyond average. Odd trend.


We had an Offense last year. We just didn't have a good redzone.

We could insert just about anyone to gain yards on the ground when needed... until the body count on RB's went past the point of absurd.
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Old 12-23-2009, 06:06 AM   #12
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okay, I read your post and I still don't know what point you are trying to make. That we all might have a different opinion on if we had a good offense last year? And so the point would be...........?
maybe his point is that we all have a different opinion about what his point may be?
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Old 12-23-2009, 09:22 AM   #13
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During the first half of the season (when we were winning), Orton was able to spread the ball out to several different receivers. Now, for whatever reason, we're trying to force the ball to Marshall, Marshall, and...oh, yeah, Marshall. A team can't win if only one person is making plays on offense...
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Although I fully expect the 'fan police' to descend on this thread like a swarm of locusts... I'll proceed anyway.

This team has taken a big step back this year on the offensive side of the ball. You add a top 15 pick (Moreno), you add a vet (Buckhalter), you trade a bunch of picks for Quinn (still scratching my head on that one). You trade the 'team cancer' for a 'winner' under center.

And now - less than we had before. Look at poor Eddie Royal - he's looking at less than half his rookie season production. You can't screen pass your way up and down the field in this league. The red zone issues continue. The short yardage issues continue. The 'only real stat' (aka - wins) is going to look a LOT like 2008. The result (aka - playoffs) is going to look a lot like 2008. The real difference is that rather than looking at what looks like an offense on the rise (young skill players, getting better), you feel like you are a looking at an offense on the decline.

Blame Orton. Blame the play calling. Blame whomever you want. In the end - the guy in the hoodie gets the love/hate for the outcome.
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Although I fully expect the 'fan police' to descend on this thread like a swarm of locusts... I'll proceed anyway.

This team has taken a big step back this year on the offensive side of the ball. You add a top 15 pick (Moreno), you add a vet (Buckhalter), you trade a bunch of picks for Quinn (still scratching my head on that one). You trade the 'team cancer' for a 'winner' under center.

And now - less than we had before. Look at poor Eddie Royal - he's looking at less than half his rookie season production. You can't screen pass your way up and down the field in this league. The red zone issues continue. The short yardage issues continue. The 'only real stat' (aka - wins) is going to look a LOT like 2008. The result (aka - playoffs) is going to look a lot like 2008. The real difference is that rather than looking at what looks like an offense on the rise (young skill players, getting better), you feel like you are a looking at an offense on the decline.

Blame Orton. Blame the play calling. Blame whomever you want. In the end - the guy in the hoodie gets the love/hate for the outcome.
we didnt trade a bunch of picks for quinn, we basically broke even. we traded 2 3's for a 4 and 2.
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Old 12-23-2009, 09:56 AM   #16
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Instead of looking at an offense on the decline, I believe it is an offense in transition. I suggest everyone enjoy the fact the team is probably going to make the playoffs during this transition, which is something hardly anyone in TC believed possible.

Furthermore, I suggest we judge the offense next year, or even the year after, once McD has a chance to bring in the players to match his system. He'll also have a year under his belt in regard to play calling, clock mgmt, etc.
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We had an Offense last year. We just didn't have a good redzone.

We could insert just about anyone to gain yards on the ground when needed... until the body count on RB's went past the point of absurd.

We also had issues on 3rd and short and turned the ball over 30 times. What difference does it make if you move the ball fine between the 20s but dont score any points?


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Instead of looking at an offense on the decline, I believe it is an offense in transition.
Isn't transition merely a euphemism for decline?
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I mean seriously - 2008 ended. Another late season collapse, another off season of questions - but I felt the offense was IMPROVING. (the defense was awful)

2009 is ending - another late season collapse, another off season of questions. Do you really feel the offense is on the up-swing? (I think the D is better)

(and yes the season isn't over, but I can't see us beating Philly)

This team isn't really all that different from last season. When it NEEDS to win - it doesn't. Oakland 09 isn't that different from the Buffalo game of 08.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/teams/schedule?team=den

http://espn.go.com/nfl/teams/schedul...=den&year=2008
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Instead of looking at an offense on the decline, I believe it is an offense in transition. I suggest everyone enjoy the fact the team is probably going to make the playoffs during this transition, which is something hardly anyone in TC believed possible.

Furthermore, I suggest we judge the offense next year, or even the year after, once McD has a chance to bring in the players to match his system. He'll also have a year under his belt in regard to play calling, clock mgmt, etc.
No. Theyre accountable this year, especially if they dont make the playoffs because of the transition.
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We also had issues on 3rd and short and turned the ball over 30 times. What difference does it make if you move the ball fine between the 20s but dont score any points?


The more you move the ball, the more opportunities you have to score. Duh.
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The more you move the ball, the more opportunities you have to score. Duh.

Yet we didnt score. Odd.


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(and yes the season isn't over, but I can't see us beating Philly)

im sure you saw 4-12 as the magic number for this year too. are you forgetting this team has beat some great teams, and held it tight with the BEST team in the NFL?

and how you linked the words transition and decline is beynod me, the offense isnt producing obviously but they are in the first year of a complex system, so calling it a failure and giving up is clearly pretty dumb.

this doom and gloom **** is getting old, again.
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Yet we didnt score. Odd.


You asked about the value in moving the ball. Duh.

Relative to what we're doing now? At least last year you can tangibly point to injuries to RBs. There are no excuses this year.
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