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Old 12-22-2009, 05:15 PM   #1
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Default Speculate: Who's gone next year and why?

I know, I know this year's not over...

but people have been talking draft and implosion and stuff, so thinking about how this year's roster has changed...


I speculate that (but am not proponent for!):

Brandon.....traded....(why?).....payback
Hillis..........traded......he's already been traded in substance
Scheffler...............he wants to play on Sunday
Hamilton..................done
Doomerville...............trade value....arrrrrrghhh
Moss.........traded or dumped....where the heck is Bates now anyhow?
Simms.......dumped....rather eat that cap hit
Le Kevin Smith.........didn't show enough
Woodyard.....dumped for the roster spot

others?

next year could be as tumultuous as, or weirder than, this year.....
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Orton: Not good enough to get the long term contract he's gonna want.
woodyard: too small to play in a 3-4 alignment(IMO)
Moss: too little too late
Simms: just not a good fit for this system
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We won't win 5 games next year if Marshall isn't on this team.
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Old 12-22-2009, 05:48 PM   #4
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Why would McDaniels cut Brandon Stokley He is one of the Patriot cast offs?

Moss: Like I need to explain this Shannahan BUST
Hillis: Square peg, round hole
Jordan: age, useless
Hamilton: Old and too small for the new system we are trying to install
Simms : If I have to tell you, you are too stupid to understand
Scheffler: Does not fit into the plans
Wiegmann: OLD and gets beaten like a drum
Berger: Old, has to be better out there
Ty Law: Dirt is younger than he is. Will only get older and slower

A couple others I would like to be gone, but will not.
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Berger, do I really need to splain why?
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Old 12-22-2009, 06:03 PM   #7
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Nothing like a 12 yd punt to keep your job secure.
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He should be cut now. There is no way we couldn't find a punter better then him.
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:18 PM   #9
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We won't win 5 games next year if Marshall isn't on this team.
THIS!!!!!

They won't win 5 games this year without Cutler & Shanahan!

Damn you, Gutless drunk....DAMN YOU I say!
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:21 PM   #10
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Huh...considering this season has at least 2 guaranteed games left...why speculate until the season is over for Denver?

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THIS!!!!!

They won't win 5 games this year without Cutler & Shanahan!

Damn you, Gutless drunk....DAMN YOU I say!
If you think we would have won 5 games this year without Marshall you are a drunk
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Simms will be gone... Traded or cut, I don't care. If he is not gone McD is an idiot.

Hillis will probably be traded, too bad he has no value now. But I guess it's better to trade him at this point, than keep having him do nothing.

We'll probably do a lot in FA again this year on the D, but it's hard to say who will stay or go at this point.
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We won't win 5 games next year if Marshall isn't on this team.
Whether this is true or not is debatable. But Marshall is a guy you DO NOT trade at this point. Give the man his money, he's earned it.

/Would've said the same thing about Cutler last year, wtf do I know?
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Whether this is true or not is debatable. But Marshall is a guy you DO NOT trade at this point. Give the man his money, he's earned it.

/Would've said the same thing about Cutler last year, wtf do I know?
Cutler was coming off one good year this is Marshall's third year in a row that he has proven to be a top 5 player at his position. There isn't a WR we could get to even come close to BM's stats in the draft or via FA period. He has been the most important player on this team this year.

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Old 12-22-2009, 08:06 PM   #15
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We need to pay Marshall. He produces like top 3 receiver in the game so there is no reason not to pay him. Guy has kept his shiat in check this season too. Been a model citizen too since Sept.
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If you think we would have won 5 games this year without Marshall you are a drunk
We weren't talking about BM and how he relates to this year. I was simply calling you a ****tard for predicting that Denver won't win 5 games next year if Marshall is gone (Yeah....12.5 months from now). You have no idea who his replacement would be. Or who Denver's QB will be.

Love Marshall....Hope they pay him.
Love Hillis....Hope he can earn some carries.
Love Orton...Hope he is here through the playoffs and beyond.

However....I love the Horsehead helmet and the Blue & Orange even more. Players come, players go. I just root for the Broncos.
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We weren't talking about BM and how he relates to this year. I was simply calling you a ****tard for predicting that Denver won't win 5 games next year if Marshall is gone (Yeah....12.5 months from now). You have no idea who his replacement would be. Or who Denver's QB will be.

Love Marshall....Hope they pay him.
Love Hillis....Hope he can earn some carries.
Love Orton...Hope he is here through the playoffs and beyond.

However....I love the Horsehead helmet and the Blue & Orange even more. Players come, players go. I just root for the Broncos.
I can predict that we won't be able to find someone as good as him on the market. Dez Bryant couldn't step in and replace him. Maybe, Boldin would easy the loss of Marshall but that is about it. Even then Boldin isn't on Marshall's level so its a down grade at WR and down grades don't improve the team.
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We won't win 5 games next year if Marshall isn't on this team.
oh for ****s sake, not this again. you spent ALL offseason predicting 5 wins THIS year, and we are already at 8. you are gonna start these predictions of failure already?
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I can predict that we won't be able to find someone as good as him on the market. Dez Bryant couldn't step in and replace him. Maybe, Boldin would easy the loss of Marshall but that is about it. Even then Boldin isn't on Marshall's level so its a down grade at WR and down grades don't improve the team.
Curious, I consider Boldin better than Marshall, am I alone in that?
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oh for ****s sake, not this again. you spent ALL offseason predicting 5 wins THIS year, and we are already at 8. you are gonna start these predictions of failure already?
I would value your imput more if you could figure out a NFL depth chart. Someone that claims Bush and McFadden are the starting RB's doesn't really make me want to continue big boy football talk.
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Cutler was coming of one good year this is Marshall's third year in a row that he has proven to be a top 5 player at his position. There isn't a WR we could get to even come close to BM's stats in the draft or via FA period. He has been the most important player on this team this year.
agree completely. although Cutler's supposed good year wasn't all that great.

with Marshall he is proven, and has shown repeatedly he has the talent to be known as not only a top 5 receiver in this league, but be the undisputed best in the league.

give the guy his money, he seems to have his **** together and is maturing, seems to have a good relationship with McDaniels, and is deserving of money.

you don't trade that kind of talent and production in hopes that you can find someone like that in the draft or FA. you go into the draft with hope you uncover a gem like that, and when you find that, you wrap him up long term.
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yes you are alone in that belief. Boldin is a great talent but has peaked, Marshall has yet to hit his full potential. he is a top 3 receiver right now, and has the potential to be the undisputed best in the game in the next couple years.
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Simms, i can't believe some people wanted this turd to start

Hamilton and Weigman, neither fits the blocking scheme we are using now, and with Hamilton being a UFA, he won't be re-signed, and Weigman will either be dumped or relegated to backup status simply because of cap reasons

Jordan, a decent stop gap, but this position will be looked at further in the draft or FA, age is a concern

Hillis, is not a guy McDaniels has any desire to use, and the roster space will be used on someone else.

Scheff, receiving TE is not a big part of McDaniels offense, and he will be allowed to leave.

Lloyd, was brought in solely for depth this year, has no ST ability, and will be let go for someone younger and with more upside

Holliday, he was a good pickup for a year to be a leader and help the team transition to a 3-4, and may be kept 1 more season as depth. but i expect us to continue to get younger and he will probably not be back.

Thomas, has not shown enough that he should be apart of a 3-4 defense and will peobably be traded to a 4-3 team

Lekevin has not shown enough to warrant having been traded for and will be replaced by someone younger or just better

Law, too old to continue on as just a Nickle corner and we will continue to work towards getting younger in the secondary.

Fox was borught back out of necessity due to injury and won't be back

Berger, 7 yards on a punt, he should have been fired at halftime.

Moss, good as gone, would have been gone this past offseason had his cap hit not been so huge.

DJ, i just have a feeling that he will be traded. not because of money or because he is bad, but because he is not an Inside LB, and needs to play for a 4-3 Defense as a weakside LB.
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Good post.

I'm not entirely sure Hillis will be gone even though things seem to point that way. If it was so obvious, I don't think he would be here today. I think McD obviously likes Moreno and Buckhalter more but he knows Hillis gives him double value by being the 3rd RB and 2nd FB and he does have a ton of talent and is still young. He won't have high trade value so I'm not going to say it's a given that Hillis is gone.

For sure I think these dudes are history

Casey Weigmann (small, old, weak)
Ben Hamilton (small, not a great fit for this system)
Law (old, roster spot)
Berger (sucks)
Moss (he's not gone yet?)
DJ (traded, I think we are drafting or signing a FA natural instinctive ILB)
Simms (casualty of picking another QB in draft)
Schefler (not used enough, he will land with another team)

A few others I'm not sure on are Jordan (might be kept as depth if price is right), Woodyard (a nice nickel LB but price must be right), Holiday (older but still great size for 3-4 DE and gives decent depth) and finally Orton. This is going to be a tough call. I'm not sure if the new cap stuff plays a roll or not but I think the Broncos will want to keep him but not give him anything close to a big dollar long term contract. I know he is not that old but my guess is they would love for Tom Branstater to learn for another year and replace him sooner then later. If the market won't give Orton a big deal, the Broncos could probably land him for a shorter contract. I'm not sure Orton will have too many possibilities out there. He would be going to his 3rd team and probably the most that would be guaranteed to him is a chance to compete for the starting position, like we did. Teams don't pay huge contracts to QB's who are brought in to compete for the job. I think Orton would rather take a shorter contract with us at a higher pay and have a chance to prove he can get that big paycheck in a few years.
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