Immigration reform bill introduced today in Congress - The Orange Mane

Bronx33 · 12-16-2009, 02:53 PM

In a matter of minutes in Washington D.C., U.S. Rep. Luis Gutierrez and dozens of other members of the House plan to introduce the first comprehensive immigration reform legislation of the current Congress.

The bill's official name is the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform for America's Security and Prosperity Act of 2009."

We don't have details yet. As soon as a copy of the bill is available we will post. But it clearly will provide a path toward legalization for estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in the U.S.

Immigrant advocates have been rallying for weeks around the legislation, authored by Gutierrez, a lawmaker from Illinois.

"Congressman Gutierrez knows that the American people want their leaders to step up and solve tough problems, and he has done amazing work with his colleagues in the House to introduce legislation that finally puts us on a path toward a common sense immigration system that works," Rich Stolz, campaign manager for Reform Immigration FOR America, said in a statement today. "America needs comprehensive immigration reform now, and Reform Immigration FOR America is building an enormous coalition across the country to push Congress to act."

But will Congress actually act? It's a tough environment right now to pass any kind of major legislation in Congress, let alone one as intensely controversial as immigration reform. Look no further than the brutal year-long odyssey to pass health care reform.

It will take a long time to just heal from the battle wounds and divisions resulting from the health care debate. And, of course, let's not forget what's staring everyone in the face: We have the mid-term elections next year.

Getting members of Congress to back CIR next year will likely take a Herculean lobbying effort.

UPDATE:

Here's a response from Americans for Legal Immigration PAC:

A national immigration enforcement advocacy group is warning members of Congress that the public backlash against the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Amnesty bill to be filed by Congressman Luis Gutierrez today is going to ignite an unprecedented political fire storm which will cost many members of Congress their jobs in 2010.

"People feel shocked and completely betrayed that any elected official would propose legalizing illegal immigrants, stopping local police from enforcing immigration law, and stopping increased border security when we have over 15 million Americans out of work," said William Gheen of Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC). "The backlash on this bill is going to dwarf the rancor and contentiousness of the healthcare debate and for good reason. The current push for Amnesty is a prime example of how disconnected Washington has become from the views and opinions of average Americans.

spdirty · 12-16-2009, 06:19 PM

LABF, Ro, TGN, this is one of your boys doing what they campaigned to do. Hope your happy.

Bronx33 · 12-16-2009, 07:10 PM

Chances are slim for this one IMO it's simply pandering for votes anyways.

Broncojef · 12-16-2009, 08:19 PM

Stock Piling great ideas in how to fail..stimulus, out of control spending and pork, yearly budgets out of control, screwing up health care, cap and trade, global warming legislation, illegal immigrant legislation, taxing working folks to death...yep Jimmy Carter would be proud.

epicSocialism4tw · 12-16-2009, 08:41 PM

They're going to have to jam the polls full of freshly legalized citizens on ACORN buses to have any sort of chance to avoid losing democrat seats in the next election. The dems are toast. Prepare for them to do whatever it takes...even if that means legalizing a new voter base.

spdirty · 12-16-2009, 09:24 PM

Honestly dont think this has a shot in hell of getting through. But Im glad its been introduced.

watermock · 12-17-2009, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Broncojef

Stock Piling great ideas in how to fail..stimulus, out of control spending and pork, yearly budgets out of control, screwing up health care, cap and trade, global warming legislation, illegal immigrant legislation, taxing working folks to death...yep Jimmy Carter would be proud.

It's a freaking nightmare.

The NWO has to have the US fail to move ahead.

Listen to me please.

Garcia Bronco · 12-17-2009, 06:11 AM

Whoa...let's see the bill first.

TailgateNut · 12-17-2009, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by spdirty

LABF, Ro, TGN, this is one of your boys doing what they campaigned to do. Hope your happy.

I can't recall voting for Guittierez.

KMA.

Rohirrim · 12-17-2009, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by spdirty

LABF, Ro, TGN, this is one of your boys doing what they campaigned to do. Hope your happy.

Really? Funny, I don't remember voting for anybody named Gutierrez.

Oops. That's because he's from Illinois. I live in Colorado. Another rightard struggling with facts. It's like some kind of ADHD.

Garcia Bronco · 12-17-2009, 07:44 AM

He's refering to Obama and his platform, good grief.

spdirty · 12-17-2009, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TailgateNut

I can't recall voting for Guittierez.

KMA.

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Really? Funny, I don't remember voting for anybody named Gutierrez.

Oops. That's because he's from Illinois. I live in Colorado. Another rightard struggling with facts. It's like some kind of ADHD.

And the folks you voted for would be firmly against this? K.

spdirty · 12-17-2009, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

He's refering to Obama and his platform, good grief.

Oh dont worry, they live in Colorado, and Im sure Obama, Udall and the replacement to the guy they voted for and most likely will vote for next year will go against this when push comes to shove.

Rohirrim · 12-17-2009, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

He's refering to Obama and his platform, good grief.

Yeah, and I'm such a big supporter of Obama.

spdirty · 12-17-2009, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Yeah, and I'm such a big supporter of Obama.

Didnt you vote for the guy?

Garcia Bronco · 12-17-2009, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by spdirty

Didnt you vote for the guy?

I would find it hard to believe he voted for anyone else.

bpc · 12-17-2009, 08:41 AM

Wow, dems are becoming so power mad, they'll willing to do whatever it takes to keep themselves in office long enough to redistribute wealth and flip this country into a socialist regime.

TailgateNut · 12-17-2009, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bpc

Wow, dems are becoming so power mad, they'll willing to do whatever it takes to keep themselves in office long enough to redistribute wealth and flip this country into a socialist regime.

The short bus brigade is overwhelming this thread.

spdirty · 12-17-2009, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TailgateNut

The short bus brigade is overwhelming this thread.

Then get out.

Rohirrim · 12-17-2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by spdirty

Didnt you vote for the guy?

Let's see, Old Mad Max and Caribou Barbie or Obama... choices, choices. As bad as Obama is, he's obviously still better than what those two loose nuts would have been. Can you imagine Palin spluttering her inane bs on a world stage? She'd make Biden look like Benjamin Disraeli. And old whack job McCain would have nuked Iran by now.

You want my views on immigration? Dig up the previous five hundred threads we've had on the issue.

Bronx33 · 12-17-2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Whoa...let's see the bill first.

You can see it 10 minutes before they vote on it.

ghwk · 12-17-2009, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bpc

Wow, dems are becoming so power mad, they'll willing to do whatever it takes to keep themselves in office long enough to redistribute wealth and flip this country into a socialist regime.

As opposed to the Repubs who were so power mad that they centralized wealth into the hands of the few like Halliburton?

Seriously posts like these are just idiotic.

atomicbloke · 12-17-2009, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bpc

Wow, dems are becoming so power mad, they'll willing to do whatever it takes to keep themselves in office long enough to redistribute wealth and flip this country into a socialist regime.

Maybe you should travel a little bit, and go live in a real socialist country.

Maybe then you'll understand what socialism really means.

That way you would appreciate what you have even more, and not trivialize what it means to live in a socialist country.

gyldenlove · 12-17-2009, 01:12 PM

It is remarkable, we all know that every so often a term or phrase pops up in popular culture and soon after it is everywhere, like izzle did a few years back, the same phenomenon is seen in politics, a term or phrase becomes a buzzword or catchphrase and people are tripping over themselves to use it - to such an extend that all meaning is lost and it just becomes an empty platitude used to get a little facetime on tv.

Cries of socialism has certainly become that kind of buzzword, there is no limit to what is socialist, limit bonuses to managers who have caused losses of 100s of billions, socialism, health care, socialism, increase presence in Afghanistan, reduce presence in Afghanistan there is no limit to what is socialism. The term has lost all meaning and has become a limp wristed refudiation of anything someone suggests.

It is pathetic.

Any law legalizing illegals is obviously dead in the water, there is no way in hell it will pass muster, nobody is actually interested in doing anything about the illegal alien problem, because like every other problem if you ignore it long enough it goes away from the public mind - it is like schools falling apart, as long as it is not in the news nobody cares.

atomicbloke · 12-17-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by gyldenlove

It is remarkable, we all know that every so often a term or phrase pops up in popular culture and soon after it is everywhere, like izzle did a few years back, the same phenomenon is seen in politics, a term or phrase becomes a buzzword or catchphrase and people are tripping over themselves to use it - to such an extend that all meaning is lost and it just becomes an empty platitude used to get a little facetime on tv.

Cries of socialism has certainly become that kind of buzzword, there is no limit to what is socialist, limit bonuses to managers who have caused losses of 100s of billions, socialism, health care, socialism, increase presence in Afghanistan, reduce presence in Afghanistan there is no limit to what is socialism. The term has lost all meaning and has become a limp wristed refudiation of anything someone suggests.

It is pathetic.

Any law legalizing illegals is obviously dead in the water, there is no way in hell it will pass muster, nobody is actually interested in doing anything about the illegal alien problem, because like every other problem if you ignore it long enough it goes away from the public mind - it is like schools falling apart, as long as it is not in the news nobody cares.

I really want someone to come up with an answer to the illegal immigration problem.

To date no nation on earth has solved it. Its a problem not just affecting developed countries, and a nearly under developed country (like USA and Mexico). Illegal immigration happens in third world countries too. For example, its a big problem in India, with zillions of folks from Bangladesh crossing illegally to India. It happens in China all the time. Hell any country with a land border has it.

Of course, all these country's leaders and populace make impractical and un-comprehensive suggestions like building an expensive border or rounding them all up and sending them home or even shooting them all.

To date the only solution that seems to work (on paper at least) is the Swiss one. Regulate business, property owners, other points of services access so that no one without proper documents can access them.

But of course, in America, that would be called Socialism and "Obama trying to completely humble the people in to servitude"

12-16-2009, 02:53 PM	#1
Bronx33 lets go partner Rumpson Rocks Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lakewood,Colo Posts: 41,221 Adopt-a-Bronco: Woodyard	Immigration reform bill introduced today in Congress In a matter of minutes in Washington D.C., U.S. Rep. Luis Gutierrez and dozens of other members of the House plan to introduce the first comprehensive immigration reform legislation of the current Congress. The bill's official name is the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform for America's Security and Prosperity Act of 2009." We don't have details yet. As soon as a copy of the bill is available we will post. But it clearly will provide a path toward legalization for estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. Immigrant advocates have been rallying for weeks around the legislation, authored by Gutierrez, a lawmaker from Illinois. "Congressman Gutierrez knows that the American people want their leaders to step up and solve tough problems, and he has done amazing work with his colleagues in the House to introduce legislation that finally puts us on a path toward a common sense immigration system that works," Rich Stolz, campaign manager for Reform Immigration FOR America, said in a statement today. "America needs comprehensive immigration reform now, and Reform Immigration FOR America is building an enormous coalition across the country to push Congress to act." But will Congress actually act? It's a tough environment right now to pass any kind of major legislation in Congress, let alone one as intensely controversial as immigration reform. Look no further than the brutal year-long odyssey to pass health care reform. It will take a long time to just heal from the battle wounds and divisions resulting from the health care debate. And, of course, let's not forget what's staring everyone in the face: We have the mid-term elections next year. Getting members of Congress to back CIR next year will likely take a Herculean lobbying effort. UPDATE: Here's a response from Americans for Legal Immigration PAC: A national immigration enforcement advocacy group is warning members of Congress that the public backlash against the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Amnesty bill to be filed by Congressman Luis Gutierrez today is going to ignite an unprecedented political fire storm which will cost many members of Congress their jobs in 2010. "People feel shocked and completely betrayed that any elected official would propose legalizing illegal immigrants, stopping local police from enforcing immigration law, and stopping increased border security when we have over 15 million Americans out of work," said William Gheen of Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC). "The backlash on this bill is going to dwarf the rancor and contentiousness of the healthcare debate and for good reason. The current push for Amnesty is a prime example of how disconnected Washington has become from the views and opinions of average Americans.

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12-16-2009, 06:19 PM	#2
spdirty Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bailey Posts: 13,923 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quentin Jammer	LABF, Ro, TGN, this is one of your boys doing what they campaigned to do. Hope your happy.

12-16-2009, 07:10 PM	#3
Bronx33 lets go partner Rumpson Rocks Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lakewood,Colo Posts: 41,221 Adopt-a-Bronco: Woodyard	Chances are slim for this one IMO it's simply pandering for votes anyways.

12-16-2009, 08:19 PM	#4
Broncojef Ring of Famer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Great White North Posts: 3,023	Stock Piling great ideas in how to fail..stimulus, out of control spending and pork, yearly budgets out of control, screwing up health care, cap and trade, global warming legislation, illegal immigrant legislation, taxing working folks to death...yep Jimmy Carter would be proud.

12-16-2009, 08:41 PM	#5
epicSocialism4tw Tebowing the long haul all the way to the title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TX, USA Posts: 37,072 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	They're going to have to jam the polls full of freshly legalized citizens on ACORN buses to have any sort of chance to avoid losing democrat seats in the next election. The dems are toast. Prepare for them to do whatever it takes...even if that means legalizing a new voter base.

12-16-2009, 09:24 PM	#6
spdirty Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bailey Posts: 13,923 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quentin Jammer	Honestly dont think this has a shot in hell of getting through. But Im glad its been introduced.

12-17-2009, 06:11 AM	#8
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 46,001 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	Whoa...let's see the bill first.

12-17-2009, 07:44 AM	#11
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 46,001 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	He's refering to Obama and his platform, good grief.

12-17-2009, 08:41 AM	#17
bpc "Nemo Me Impune Lacessit" 1 sword keeps another in the sheath Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 12,580 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Wow, dems are becoming so power mad, they'll willing to do whatever it takes to keep themselves in office long enough to redistribute wealth and flip this country into a socialist regime.

12-17-2009, 01:12 PM	#24
gyldenlove Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London, ON Posts: 10,134 Adopt-a-Bronco: Spencer Larsen	It is remarkable, we all know that every so often a term or phrase pops up in popular culture and soon after it is everywhere, like izzle did a few years back, the same phenomenon is seen in politics, a term or phrase becomes a buzzword or catchphrase and people are tripping over themselves to use it - to such an extend that all meaning is lost and it just becomes an empty platitude used to get a little facetime on tv. Cries of socialism has certainly become that kind of buzzword, there is no limit to what is socialist, limit bonuses to managers who have caused losses of 100s of billions, socialism, health care, socialism, increase presence in Afghanistan, reduce presence in Afghanistan there is no limit to what is socialism. The term has lost all meaning and has become a limp wristed refudiation of anything someone suggests. It is pathetic. Any law legalizing illegals is obviously dead in the water, there is no way in hell it will pass muster, nobody is actually interested in doing anything about the illegal alien problem, because like every other problem if you ignore it long enough it goes away from the public mind - it is like schools falling apart, as long as it is not in the news nobody cares.