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Old 12-13-2009, 05:17 AM   #1
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Default McDaniels not big believer in franchise label

McDaniels not big believer in franchise label


By Lindsay H. Jones
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Posted: 12/13/2009 01:00:00 AM MST



Here in the Rocky Mountains, we like to think we know a thing or two about The Franchise Quarterback.

We know when we've got one, and we'll spend the better part of a decade looking for another. And just when we think we've found one, he's gone, and we all wonder what went wrong.

From John Elway to Brian Griese to Jake Plummer to Jay Cutler to Kyle Orton, the topic of the franchise quarterback is a touchy one for Broncos fans.

Meanwhile, across the line today in Indianapolis, Denver faces Peyton Manning, the very definition of a Franchise Quarterback.

"Peyton Manning is the poster boy for franchise quarterbacks," Broncos quarterback Chris Simms said. "It's a great thing if you get drafted there and it works."

Manning was the Colts' No. 1 overall draft pick in 1998 and he has played in every game for the Colts since. He's thrown for more than 49,000 yards, been named to nine Pro Bowls, won three NFL MVP awards and was the Super Bowl MVP.

All the accolades and superlatives aside, Manning and the Colts illustrate the ideal way to build a franchise around a star quarterback, something most organizations try, and few do.

The Colts finished the 1997 season 3-13, and new general manager Bill Polian and coach Jim Mora Sr. took Manning with the No. 1 overall pick. By 1999, the Colts were 13-3 and back in the playoffs, and they've been the model of consistency ever since.

It was what former Broncos coach Mike Shanahan at one point envisioned doing around Cutler.

But here's a major difference as to why Polian's strategy has worked so well: Not only has Manning panned out, so have many of the players Indianapolis drafted to play around him: first-rounders such as running back Edgerrin James (1999), receiver Reggie Wayne (2001), defensive end Dwight Freeney (2002), tight end Dallas Clark (2003), running back Joseph Addai (2006) and receiver Anthony Gonzalez (2007), as well as second-round safety Bob Sanders (2004)


During that same span, only linebackers Al Wilson (1999) and D.J. Williams (2004) have been long-term bona fide star players for the Broncos. The Broncos used one first-round draft pick on a quarterback this decade, Cutler, and first-year coach Josh McDaniels though never in exact terms clearly didn't deem him to be a franchise quarterback.

Perhaps that is because McDaniels isn't as fully sold on the notion of a "Franchise Quarterback" as other coaches.

"I don't know what the definition of that is, because there are a lot of quarterbacks who have had great success in this league that, I don't how you define them as franchise quarterbacks," McDaniels said. "What's a guy who is not a franchise quarterback? I don't know. I just want our guy to win."

The question remains, though, of how far a team can go without an elite quarterback. Of the past 10 Super Bowl champions, eight were quarterbacked by players who fit the "franchise" mold: Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger (twice), New England's Tom Brady (three times), Manning for the Colts and his brother Eli for the Giants, and Kurt Warner for the Rams.

"If you have one, you are probably going to be making the playoffs," said NFL Network analyst Steve Mariucci, a former Lions and 49ers coach. "When you look at the teams that are going to be there, by and large, they've got guys that are going to the Pro Bowl or have been there before."

For the record, Mariucci includes Orton in a group of what he calls "very good" quarterbacks, a group that also includes guys such as Cutler in Chicago, Dallas' Tony Romo, Green Bay's Aaron Rodgers and San Diego's Philip Rivers.

But can Orton be a franchise quarterback in Denver? This is the final year of his contract, and he will be a restricted free agent after the season. How the Broncos choose to handle him after that will be telling. The Broncos will be able to match any other offer Orton receives this offseason, should he make it to the open market next spring without having signed a new contract.

"That's all on the franchise. That's all on the organization," Orton said. "That's probably the only way you can decide that, is if the organization thinks you're one, then you're one."





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Old 12-13-2009, 08:20 AM   #2
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That article left off a definiton of the "Franchise Mold" again. What is this mold? All the QB's lsited in the mold are pretty different. I have asked time and time again that someone give me the criteria for being "franchise," an no one has been able to answer. It is seriously the most abstract and overused term when discussing quarterbacks.
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Overused for sure.

But it is one of those ideas that come from: "I don't know what it is, but I know it when I see it". I don't know to what extent a QB is the product of the coaching and other team characteristics, or even if they play under a dome or not. Probably the best idea is that a team wins consistently with a certain QB, then the idolization sets in and that's the when the legend grows.

But there is no denying that there are guys with better physical characteristcs, better eye-hand coordination, better understanding of the game and the stronger "leadership" qualities that enhance the image of being an "elite" player. Everything else is marketing......
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Eli Manning a franchise QB? He seems more like "Peyton's little brother". It's funny to me that his SB win has way more clout than Peyton's. I can't even remember who they played.
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Overused for sure.

But it is one of those ideas that come from: "I don't know what it is, but I know it when I see it". I don't know to what extent a QB is the product of the coaching and other team characteristics, or even if they play under a dome or not. Probably the best idea is that a team wins consistently with a certain QB, then the idolization sets in and that's the when the legend grows.

But there is no denying that there are guys with better physical characteristcs, better eye-hand coordination, better understanding of the game and the stronger "leadership" qualities that enhance the image of being an "elite" player. Everything else is marketing......
I think that's the problem with it. On one hand, someon can take the stance of knowing one when they see one, but that is of course subjective. It seems to me players have a tendency to gain the title simply due to team success. The only player on that franchise list in the article that was assumed to be that type of player almost right away was Peyton Manning. It's easy to say, Big Ben, oh yeah franchise QB, because of championships. Yet he was certainly not the reason they one his first superbowl, and there were even whispers a couple seaons ago of the offense maybe running better with Leftwich. Eli was almost benched the same season he won a superbowl. Championships seem to turn players into "franchise" players in retrospect.

As far as I can tell, you need a franchise QB to win a superbowl, and you become a franchise QB by winning a superbowl.
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I can't even remember who they played.
Really?
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I hope Mcd believes in the franchise tag. He's gonna need it in the offseason
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I think if McD was named coached in 95', his first move would have been alienating and trading John Elway.
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Eli Manning a franchise QB? He seems more like "Peyton's little brother". It's funny to me that his SB win has way more clout than Peyton's. I can't even remember who they played.
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I think if McD was named coached in 95', his first move would have been alienating and trading John Elway.
Wait are you saying Cutler = Elway?
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I think if McD was named coached in 95', his first move would have been alienating and trading John Elway.
Now that's a pile of carap right there. In my opinion, you have digressed as a substantive poster.
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didnt elway play on teams as bad as the 09 bears, and take them to the superbowl...
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