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Old 12-03-2009, 07:00 AM   #1
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Default Denver faces dilemma on Dumervil

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...a-on-dumervil/

The NFL's sack leader plays for the Denver Broncos.

Whether he still plays there in 2010 remains to be seen.

Elvis Dumervil's rookie contract expires after the 2009 season. Without a new labor deal, however, he won't be eligible for unrestricted free agency.

So the Broncos can squat on his rights via a restricted free agency tender, which will entail a non-guaranteed salary far lower than the $10 million or so guaranteed that the franchise tender for defensive ends would entail.

But will even the highest possible tender offer keep teams away from Dumervil? The Vikings surely don't regret giving up a first-round pick and a third-round pick for Jared Allen -- and that's the exact price an interested team would have to pay for pilfering Dumervil.

He has 40 sacks in five games short of four seasons. In comparison, Texans defensive end Mario Williams -- the first pick in the 2006 draft -- has 35.5 career sacks in the same span.

So the Broncos might have to use the franchise tag to ensure that Dumervil stays put.

Or they can pay him.

The Broncos have two other key players who will be restricted free agents in 2010 absent a new labor deal -- receiver Brandon Marshall and quarterback Kyle Orton.

So with his push for a new deal really heating up, we've got one piece of advice for Dumervil when the Broncos head to Denver for a game on December 27.

Resist the urge to stomp on Mike Vick's leg.
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Old 12-03-2009, 07:24 AM   #2
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It was MARCUS vick who stomped on dumervil's leg in that CFB game, not michael.
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Old 12-03-2009, 07:35 AM   #3
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Lock him up. He's one of the most effective and versatile defensive players the Broncos have ever had. Rare that a guy can get to the QB in any system.
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Old 12-03-2009, 07:47 AM   #4
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this is a good problem to have. having good players and figuring out how to sign them. I would rather have that then overpaid players that suck or too many players that suck.
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Old 12-03-2009, 07:52 AM   #5
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Bowlen will have to open up the checkbook this offseason for Doom and Marshall
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Old 12-03-2009, 07:54 AM   #6
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Lock him up. He's one of the most effective and versatile defensive players the Broncos have ever had. Rare that a guy can get to the QB in any system.
exactly

now that he is in a system that he flourishes in...he is our James Harrison, sign him
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Old 12-03-2009, 08:06 AM   #7
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Bowlen better pay him.

You keep 25 year old impact players.

He never complains and stays out of trouble.

Doom has 40 sacks in less than 4 years....in 2 different defensive schemes.
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Old 12-03-2009, 08:06 AM   #8
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Since when do Broncos let young dominant players walk? That's never really been bowlens thing has it?
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Old 12-03-2009, 08:07 AM   #9
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You don't make the same mistake that Kansas City did with Jared Allen.

The entire Kansas City defense has 24 sacks in 27 games since they traded him.

Jared Allen has 27 sacks in those 27 games for the Vikings.
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Old 12-03-2009, 08:07 AM   #10
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He will be locked up.

Orton will be locked up at a very reasonable price.

Marshall will be franchised.
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Old 12-03-2009, 08:09 AM   #11
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I would argue that Jared Allen is a few steps above Elvis as far as complete defensive rushing specialist, Jared can play the run very well too. I really doubt a team would give up a 1st and a 3rd for Elvis.
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Old 12-03-2009, 08:15 AM   #12
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I would argue that Jared Allen is a few steps above Elvis as far as complete defensive rushing specialist, Jared can play the run very well too. I really doubt a team would give up a 1st and a 3rd for Elvis.
Jared Allen may indeed be a better all around player, but not by much. The Vikings had to give up draft picks, then pay him. We already have Dumervil, so i'd say we are ahead.

The real deal is, if we want to win a superbowl, we already have some key components (like Dumervil and Marshall). You don't let those guys walk - pay your own and keep drafting well. Booth these guys should earn their next contract, especially since they have been underpaid thus far.

It's the third contract - when they are about 30 years old that needs to be reconsidered. That's when you usually pay for the past instead of the present.
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Old 12-03-2009, 08:20 AM   #13
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Jared Allen may indeed be a better all around player, but not by much. The Vikings had to give up draft picks, then pay him. We already have Dumervil, so i'd say we are ahead.

The real deal is, if we want to win a superbowl, we already have some key components (like Dumervil and Marshall). You don't let those guys walk - pay your own and keep drafting well. Booth these guys should earn their next contract, especially since they have been underpaid thus far.

It's the third contract - when they are about 30 years old that needs to be reconsidered. That's when you usually pay for the past instead of the present.
Yeah good post, I agree we should keep him, i just don't think he should get Jared Allen money, but he will get paid, and he is well deserving.
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I would argue that Jared Allen is a few steps above Elvis as far as complete defensive rushing specialist, Jared can play the run very well too. I really doubt a team would give up a 1st and a 3rd for Elvis.
that isn't the point (I believe), I think he meant in principle and as an example...it is fairly similar and I agree 100%
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Where's the dilemma? Pay thee man hees money.
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Old 12-03-2009, 08:28 AM   #16
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Dumervil deserves that contract and given the way he dedicated himself this offseason to a better diet and conditioning he should be a Bronco for life.

Given the way he's been used this season as a DE/LB switching positions and moving all around the line he's argueably the most important player in the front 7 because what he has can't be replaced.
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Old 12-03-2009, 08:30 AM   #17
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If I was forced to choose between Marshall and Dumervil, Doom wins.
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Old 12-03-2009, 08:44 AM   #18
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Where's the dilemma? Pay thee man hees money.
thats funny..I was thinking about the same clip.
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Old 12-03-2009, 08:48 AM   #19
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If I was forced to choose between Marshall and Dumervil, Doom wins.
I second this. But I think we could find money to sign both of them.
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I second this. But I think we could find money to sign both of them.
Agree with all of the above. Out of the two, I'd rather keep Doom.

But, I think that without Cutler's massive paycheck on our books, we should be able to keep both.
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Old 12-03-2009, 09:05 AM   #21
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Of the three players, Orton, Marshall and Doom, I'd franchise the one that would cost the least to franchise (probably WR). Then I'd make the remaining two players priorities to sign.
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Old 12-03-2009, 09:17 AM   #23
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Of the three players, Orton, Marshall and Doom, I'd franchise the one that would cost the least to franchise (probably WR). Then I'd make the remaining two players priorities to sign.
How much cheaper is francising Doom as an OLB vs a DE?
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How much cheaper is francising Doom as an OLB vs a DE?
Good question, probably a lot cheaper. The Broncos have to be fair and if they play the "your a OLB, not a DE" in order to save money by franchising Doom I think they are setting a very bad tone for the team.
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Old 12-03-2009, 09:29 AM   #25
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We need to make Doom priority one and IMO Orton is priority two. I don't think Orton will be a problem. Let's not forget Kuper as well since we will need to address LG and C already on the OL. Marshall I would be more willing to wait and see on - he will want ridiculous money and I would want to see what happens with the CBA and what his trade value might be after the season.
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