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Old 01-05-2011, 12:06 PM   #3676
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Surreal indeed.

Not post-count, but the level of nonsense that has ensued. I was admittedly entertained by the silliness. But, it's gone into areas that are now just beyond comprehension. Honestly, some people really need to work some things out in their lives if this haunts them this way.
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Old 01-05-2011, 12:07 PM   #3677
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haha....now there is infighting inside the Hillis camp
well, I paid good money to be chief and some guy tries to paint me as a witch. I only dabbled in it as a teenager and has nothing to do with being a thorn in the side of Popps and most recently Missourbronc. At least MVPlaya left (or is one of the many "new" posters that just signed up. Popps is old news on this one as new guys try to explain how Moreno was more valuable and better than Hillis this year or that Hillis was garbage when he was here. As long as there are guys that cant say anything bad about the organization, this thread will continue. It goes past Hillis, it goes to the core of super bronco fan that sees a No Can Do Wrong from the organization.
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well, I paid good money to be chief and some guy tries to paint me as a witch. I only dabbled in it as a teenager and has nothing to do with being a thorn in the side of Popps and most recently Missourbronc. At least MVPlaya left (or is one of the many "new" posters that just signed up. Popps is old news on this one as new guys try to explain how Moreno was more valuable and better than Hillis this year or that Hillis was garbage when he was here. As long as there are guys that cant say anything bad about the organization, this thread will continue. It goes past Hillis, it goes to the core of super bronco fan that sees a No Can Do Wrong from the organization.
The trade, in hindsight was a mistake. It was, and remains, understandable why the trade happened at the time that it happened.

But, whatever.

Hillis is Jesus incarnate, and he would have won 8 more games for this team on his own.

I pointed out a pretty realistic view of what the Broncos would have looked like with Hillis, and what do you know that vision was better than what happened. But it sure as hell wasn't what people here make it out to be.
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Old 01-05-2011, 01:21 PM   #3680
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It was, and remains, understandable why the trade happened at the time that it happened.

I don't see how. But whatever. Anyone can rationalize why they were wrong. Anyone in the world.
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Old 01-05-2011, 01:33 PM   #3681
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I don't see how. But whatever. Anyone can rationalize why they were wrong. Anyone in the world.
I think it was reasonable at the time...

Hillis wasn't being used
We had no backup QB

Boom....boom

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Old 01-05-2011, 01:34 PM   #3682
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I don't see how. But whatever. Anyone can rationalize why they were wrong. Anyone in the world.
Because Peyton Hillis was an expendable part of this team as a fourth-string running back, and this team desperately needed a backup quarterback. If this team had had Brady Quinn in 2009, this team probably would have been in the playoffs.

I'm amazed that people don't understand the rationale of the trade. Yes, it backfired, but at the time, it made sense.

As I stated earlier, what didn't make sense was trading for Quinn - clearly a better backup and even someone to push for Orton's job - and then drafting Tebow. THAT is what made all of this start to look weird.

But don't let the myth of Peyton Hillis stop you from telling everyone he is Jim Brown-incarnate.
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Old 01-05-2011, 02:33 PM   #3683
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If that trade made any sense at ANY time, this thread wouldn't be 148 pages long.

It was a bad trade at the time, and it proved to be a bad trade later.

Bottom line: Josh is a terrible talent evaluator. Moves like Hillis ended up costing wins and eventually his job.
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If that trade made any sense at ANY time, this thread wouldn't be 148 pages long.

It was a bad trade at the time, and it proved to be a bad trade later.

Bottom line: Josh is a terrible talent evaluator. Moves like Hillis ended up costing wins and eventually his job.
yea...because the whole league was jumping at Brandon Lloyd

and so far Tebow doesnt look like an awful pick either

the trade made sense at the time....it wasnt like Mike Ditka trading his whole draft away for Ricky
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yea...because the whole league was jumping at Brandon Lloyd

and so far Tebow doesnt look like an awful pick either

the trade made sense at the time....it wasnt like Mike Ditka trading his whole draft away for Ricky

Yeah, I guess you're right. It wasn't the worst trade of all time. At least we only gave away a stud and two draft picks for a first round bust, and not an entire draft class.
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If that trade made any sense at ANY time, this thread wouldn't be 148 pages long.

It was a bad trade at the time, and it proved to be a bad trade later.

Bottom line: Josh is a terrible talent evaluator. Moves like Hillis ended up costing wins and eventually his job.
Yea, if only McDaniels had the eye for talent that you do. George Foster and Brian Griese would have a job in this league again.
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Old 01-05-2011, 03:33 PM   #3691
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As I stated earlier, what didn't make sense was trading for Quinn - clearly a better backup and even someone to push for Orton's job - and then drafting Tebow. THAT is what made all of this start to look weird.

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Yea, if only McDaniels had the eye for talent that you do. George Foster and Brian Griese would have a job in this league again.



The only way the trade makes any sense is if McD grossly over valued Quinn. Which still makes it a bad trade, and shows McD to be a bad evaluator of talent.
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Old 01-05-2011, 03:53 PM   #3692
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Yea, if only McDaniels had the eye for talent that you do. George Foster and Brian Griese would have a job in this league again.
Taco was a huge George Foster proponent, for the record.

But, that won't stop him from condescending to people about the virtues of being "right" on a message board.
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Taco was a huge George Foster proponent, for the record.

But, that won't stop him from condescending to people about the virtues of being "right" on a message board.

I was a big proponent of bringing on a left tackle. Any of the left tackles that had first round grades in that draft class would have had my support. We needed someone to protect the blind side. Foster, unfortunately, didn't work out.

You have 400+ posts in this thread. I'm sure it has nothing to do with you wanting to be "right" and get the last word in.

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Yea, if only McDaniels had the eye for talent that you do. George Foster and Brian Griese would have a job in this league again.
If McDaniels would have consulted me on Hillis, he might have a head coaching job right now. Of course, he'd still have that whole "rogue videographer" infestation problem, so maybe not.
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Old 01-05-2011, 04:30 PM   #3695
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I predict Hillis will be next yrs biggest fantasy bust.
Thank you for keeping this thread alive for next season. Best thread ever!
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Old 01-05-2011, 05:52 PM   #3696
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Number of posts people have in this thread (to date):


1. Popps - 396
2. strafen - 203
3. rastaman - 187
4. errand - 159
5. sirhcyennek81 133
6. go_broncos 133
7. Taco John 122
8. watermock 98
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400 posts - twice the number anyone else has.

Surreal indeed.
poops owned again! hahahah
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Old 01-05-2011, 06:06 PM   #3697
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Seriously. This **** is turning surreal.
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Broncos trade FB Peyton Hillis + 2011 6th, 2012 late rounder for Brady Quinn tsiguy96
Hillis to Remain Starter.... Popps
Obligatory Hillis article Goobzilla
Hillis fever spreading... Taco John
judge to declare McDaniels legally insane for letting Hillis go to the Browns. Bronco Rob
Is Hillis the best Broncos RB since Portis? spdirty
The Future of Peyton Hillis! rastaman
hillis for permanent starter tsiguy96
Hillis Interview: Wants out if not utilized Lolad
from 850, shanny anticipates hillis to be out 4, 5, maybe 6 weeks spdirty
Peyton Hillis Appreciation Thread bpc
IF...Boyd Proves to be the REAL DEAL...what happens with Hillis? footstepsfrom#27
The Official Peyton Hillis Poll Popps
we have Hillis 4-0 Spider
Hillis to IR per ESPN Smiling Assassin27
Good article by Krieger on Hillis Mile High Mojoe
So what do you all think about Hillis returning kicks? BroncoDoug
Peyton Hillis Haters! houghtam
Predict what Hillis will do in Cleveland baja
for those who forgot how good hillis is... tsiguy96
Denver Post: Hillis to compete for "role" position Taco John
Nickname for Hillis... sirhcyennek81
How unique is Hillis? lex
Peyton Hillis Trade Value Houshyamama
Hillis going to get cut? Kaylore
Shanahan, Cutler, and Hillis up for weekly awards Conklin
Tell Peyton Hillis “White men can’t run”. Pony Boy
Hillis Tidbit (also - do not murder me) outdoor_miner
Peyton Hillis!!! GoWYO
over/under: Does Hillis get 10 touches Sunday? watermock
Hillis Needs To Be Starting ChampBailey24
Will get my Hillis and D Will jersey next week!! Denverr1
Draft Peyton Hillis broncos loveI
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Not post-count, but the level of nonsense that has ensued. I was admittedly entertained by the silliness. But, it's gone into areas that are now just beyond comprehension. Honestly, some people really need to work some things out in their lives if this haunts them this way.
Nonsense, really?

You have to agree that 1) we'd all like him back, and 2) there were pretty fair/good indications he had feature back potential.

So what's not to be haunted by?
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The only way the trade makes any sense is if McD grossly over valued Quinn. Which still makes it a bad trade, and shows McD to be a bad evaluator of talent.
Really? A first round quarterback who had shown fleeting promise, versus a guy drafted as a fullback who couldn't even win the fullback job over a linebacker, who was the eighth ooption of a team desperate for a running back and later a guy who couldn't practice hard enough to beat out guys who, according to most on this web site, are terrible running backs?

Yeah. Makes sense.

Face it. Hillis wouldn't work hard enough to beat anyone out for the starting job. ****, he still didn't do it in Cleveland, and lo and behold, two injuries and the disappearance of the starter, Hillis gets to play.

Frankly, Broncos fans should be pissed off at Hillis for not trying harder and being a bigger person than McDaniels. Had he done that, and worked harder he might have stayed. He failed you.
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Yeah, I guess you're right. It wasn't the worst trade of all time. At least we only gave away a stud and two draft picks for a first round bust, and not an entire draft class.
define "stud" now

because according to your definition we've had a few "studs":

mike anderson
olandis gary
reuben droughns


Jesus christ....let the guy do something before we label him....he had ONE halfway decent year...and then was injured, just like he ended up for us
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