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Old 01-03-2011, 11:42 AM   #3626
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That's beer. Indeed. What?

Are you Taco's alt?

And let me make this clear, MOST people don't hate Hillis, they hate Hillis fanboys or to use some's preferred term, nuthuggers. Not Hillis.

I dont hate Hillis. In fact, I wish to know him biblically.

Mwa ha ha ha ha...wait...what were we talking about?


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Old 01-03-2011, 11:46 AM   #3627
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I dont hate Hillis. In fact, I wish to know him biblically.

Mwa ha ha ha ha...wait...what were we talking about?


We were discussing all of the people who have posted in this thread, a big bouncy castle, Hillis and lots of cooking oil.
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Old 01-03-2011, 11:46 AM   #3628
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It's weird that people still support Mcd for making this trade.
Wake up..Mcd is fired for making these type of trades.
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Old 01-03-2011, 11:50 AM   #3629
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...because he didnt play hurt...
I don't disagree with your point about having another back but Moreno "played hurt" more often than not including yesterday. Moreno was listed as questionable and played.
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Old 01-03-2011, 11:51 AM   #3630
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It's weird that people still support Mcd for making this trade.
Wake up..Mcd is fired for making these type of trades.

You need to follow the development of this thread. In your defense, it is well over 100 pages and 3600 posts, but no one is "supporting McD"...most of the people arguing realize Hillis is gone, McD is gone and arguing about it is counter productive and rather stupid.

That clear it up for you, giggles?

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Old 01-03-2011, 11:51 AM   #3631
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Hollis wont start next year.
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Old 01-03-2011, 11:51 AM   #3632
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We were discussing all of the people who have posted in this thread, a big bouncy castle, Hillis and lots of cooking oil.

Mmmm...Hillis and oil...


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Old 01-03-2011, 11:57 AM   #3633
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You need to follow the development of this thread. In your defense, it is well over 100 pages and 3600 posts, but no one is "supporting McD"...most of the people arguing realize Hillis is gone, McD is gone and arguing about it is counter productive and rather stupid.

That clear it up for you, giggles?

you need to tell to the posters that keeps saying that Hillis is not a good back.
I will take him over Mr.'Bust' Moreno.
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Old 01-03-2011, 11:58 AM   #3634
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you need to tell to the posters that keeps saying that Hillis is not a good back.
I will take him over Mr.'Bust' Moreno.
Are you upset about us trading Hillis? Tell us your feelings...
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Old 01-03-2011, 12:02 PM   #3635
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you need to tell to the posters that keeps saying that Hillis is not a good back.
I will take him over Mr.'Bust' Moreno.

I dont need to tell anyone anything, star shine. But it is interesting that if you project Moreno's numbers over 16 games, he ends up with 1100 yards and 11 tds...which is nearly identical to Hillis. And no one is saying Hillis is not a good back. Most of them dont care because he no longer plays for the Broncos.

Did you eat paint chips when you were a kid or what?

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Old 01-03-2011, 12:12 PM   #3636
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hillis is a coach killer x2. (-:
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Old 01-03-2011, 12:16 PM   #3637
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That's beer. Indeed. What?

Are you Taco's alt?

And let me make this clear, MOST people don't hate Hillis, they hate Hillis fanboys or to use some's preferred term, nuthuggers. Not Hillis.
Oh...I see.

I don't get this either. Why do you hate someone because they like something?

I don't like baseball or Lady Gaga at all.

Evidently many people like baseball and Lady Gaga.

I do not hate these people because they like baseball or Lady Gaga.

If there was a thread about baseball or Lady Gaga I would not click on it to tell those people that I hate them for liking baseball or Lady Gaga.

I don't get it. I guess I fail the Internets.

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Old 01-03-2011, 12:24 PM   #3638
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That's beer. Indeed. What?

Are you Taco's alt?

And let me make this clear, MOST people don't hate Hillis, they hate Hillis fanboys or to use some's preferred term, nuthuggers. Not Hillis.
No, most people dont hate Hillis or their fans. Most hate the fact that we got rid of him as he could have been used the last two years. Only the McD strap ons could be your "most". Plus, as stated by many, it isnt a case of who is better, but having both. Hillis didnt leave us, McD shipped him away with what turned out to be a lopsided trade and we got the short end of the stick. The haters have posted in this thread have made themselves look like complete morons. There is no way stating that Hillis could not have helped this team the last two years can be correct. It is irrational thought based on being everything Pro Broncos. Sometimes seeing problems in your franchise is what rational thought is not being a complete homer and just looking for anything positive to keep that smile from cheek to cheek.
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Old 01-03-2011, 12:30 PM   #3639
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he's an average back....just like Moreno

its nice to have two backs that are average, especially when they both have a penchant for being injured

McD shouldn't have let him go..but it really would have had LITTLE impact on how our season worked out...he maybe would've helped us get another win
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No, most people dont hate Hillis or their fans. Most hate the fact that we got rid of him as he could have been used the last two years. Only the McD strap ons could be your "most". Plus, as stated by many, it isnt a case of who is better, but having both. Hillis didnt leave us, McD shipped him away with what turned out to be a lopsided trade and we got the short end of the stick. The haters have posted in this thread have made themselves look like complete morons. There is no way stating that Hillis could not have helped this team the last two years can be correct. It is irrational thought based on being everything Pro Broncos. Sometimes seeing problems in your franchise is what rational thought is not being a complete homer and just looking for anything positive to keep that smile from cheek to cheek.
OK, you're right he would have added some yards, had he been able to give Denver what he gave Cleveland. Now, we'll leave out the fact that he couldn't or wouldn't work hard enough in practice (we don't know which it was, if McDaniels wouldn't give him the opportunity, or he didn't work hard enough to earn it) to win a spot on the field in Denver, and just go with the numbers.

Let's say Hillis' 270 rushes came in Denver.

Who's losing the carries? Moreno? He had a 4.3 YPC and Hillis had a 4.4.

The Broncos ran it 398 times (for comparison Cleveland ran it 413), so that leaves 128 carries to go around.

Kyle Orton had 22 carries for 98 yards, averaging that out, he would have had 27 for 120 yards. So, we're down to 106 carries left.

Say Moreno received 90 of those carries. That's 385 yards. Averaging out his TDs to .02 per carry, thats 2.4 touchdowns. So let's say 385 yards, 2 touchdowns.

The other 16 carries go to Buckhalter. That's 16 carries and 40 yards for Buckhalter.

What does this do to final numbers for the team?
398 carries, 1700 yards, 13 TDs.

Hillis' impact on this team, assuming he had the same numbers in Denver gives Denver an extra 166 yards and the same number of touchdowns. Denver would have moved all the way up to 19th in the NFL in rushing, (They were 26th), and it wouldn't have changed Denver's scoring offense numbers.

I look at that, and just think that giving up Hillis, who had not produced in Denver up to that point, to provide a sure thing at backup quarterback in a guy who had played well in spots for Cleveland, isn't that big of a deal. Certainly not the crazy venom that was directed at McDaniels for making the trade.

Now, had we known that Hillis would run for 1100 yards in Cleveland, probably wouldn't have made the trade. But the trade made sense at the time. What DIDN'T make sense was a month later taking Tebow in the first round, leaving yourself with three quarterbacks. Had McDaniels NOT taken Tebow, the Hillis trade would make a lot more sense, in my opinion.

Additionally, had Moreno been healthy, I think he could have produced similar, if not better numbers to Hillis, and Denver's running game likely would have been better than Cleveland's.
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Old 01-03-2011, 01:17 PM   #3643
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I know one thing, he really screwed up my fantasy team with his late season suckage.
His All Pro line failed him.
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Old 01-03-2011, 01:23 PM   #3644
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he's an average back....just like Moreno

its nice to have two backs that are average, especially when they both have a penchant for being injured

McD shouldn't have let him go..but it really would have had LITTLE impact on how our season worked out...he maybe would've helped us get another win
Yeah. I really don't know if he would have given us any more wins, but I do know he is worth far more than Brady Quinn. He didn't look great down the stretch, but I don't know many backs who are really productive against the Steelers, Dolphins and Ravens.
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Yeah. I really don't know if he would have given us any more wins, but I do know he is worth far more than Brady Quinn. He didn't look great down the stretch, but I don't know many backs who are really productive against the Steelers, Dolphins and Ravens.
It wasn't just bad production, he got hurt. And as the Mane tells us, backs who get hurt are busts.
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Old 01-03-2011, 01:50 PM   #3646
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Less impressive when you consider at least 10 other RBs can probably say the same.
Which again becomes really impressive when you factor in that he costs next to nothing having been a 7th round pick, and is a better than average receiving back as well. Then it becomes painful when you imagine the 1st rounder spent on Moreno for lesser production at a much higher pay rate, and where else that 1st rounder could have gone.

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Old 01-03-2011, 03:14 PM   #3647
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OK, you're right he would have added some yards, had he been able to give Denver what he gave Cleveland. Now, we'll leave out the fact that he couldn't or wouldn't work hard enough in practice (we don't know which it was, if McDaniels wouldn't give him the opportunity, or he didn't work hard enough to earn it) to win a spot on the field in Denver, and just go with the numbers.

Let's say Hillis' 270 rushes came in Denver.

Who's losing the carries? Moreno? He had a 4.3 YPC and Hillis had a 4.4.

The Broncos ran it 398 times (for comparison Cleveland ran it 413), so that leaves 128 carries to go around.

Kyle Orton had 22 carries for 98 yards, averaging that out, he would have had 27 for 120 yards. So, we're down to 106 carries left.

Say Moreno received 90 of those carries. That's 385 yards. Averaging out his TDs to .02 per carry, thats 2.4 touchdowns. So let's say 385 yards, 2 touchdowns.

The other 16 carries go to Buckhalter. That's 16 carries and 40 yards for Buckhalter.

What does this do to final numbers for the team?
398 carries, 1700 yards, 13 TDs.

Hillis' impact on this team, assuming he had the same numbers in Denver gives Denver an extra 166 yards and the same number of touchdowns. Denver would have moved all the way up to 19th in the NFL in rushing, (They were 26th), and it wouldn't have changed Denver's scoring offense numbers.

I look at that, and just think that giving up Hillis, who had not produced in Denver up to that point, to provide a sure thing at backup quarterback in a guy who had played well in spots for Cleveland, isn't that big of a deal. Certainly not the crazy venom that was directed at McDaniels for making the trade.

Now, had we known that Hillis would run for 1100 yards in Cleveland, probably wouldn't have made the trade. But the trade made sense at the time. What DIDN'T make sense was a month later taking Tebow in the first round, leaving yourself with three quarterbacks. Had McDaniels NOT taken Tebow, the Hillis trade would make a lot more sense, in my opinion.

Additionally, had Moreno been healthy, I think he could have produced similar, if not better numbers to Hillis, and Denver's running game likely would have been better than Cleveland's.
That's just crazy. He was rookie of the week in one of his few starts. I can't think of a time he didn't produce in the games he started. He even produced in a couple of games he didn't start. He went from a nobody to a fan favorite who should start or split carries, and that was before McD was hired.
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One thing about Hillis that is true: had he not gotten hurt when he was on that great run as a rookie, the Broncos would have made the playoffs, Shanahan wouldn't have been fired (at least not then), and the landscape would look a lot different in Broncoland.
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One thing about Hillis that is true: had he not gotten hurt when he was on that great run as a rookie, the Broncos would have made the playoffs, Shanahan wouldn't have been fired (at least not then), and the landscape would look a lot different in Broncoland.
It sure was a great catch, though!
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what i find amazing is all the people b****ing we traded Hillis for Quinn. Keep in mind the majority of these clowns b****ed about Orton as our QB. Had the masses not b****ed so loudly about the QB position, perhaps McDaniels doesn't feel the need to try and strengthen it by trading for a former #1 pick in Quinn, which means we'd have still probably had Hillis this season.
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