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Old 12-01-2010, 04:16 PM   #2726
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Sounds like he was.
wow, you really don't understand the comparison?


You:this comparison in inflated production

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Old 12-01-2010, 04:36 PM   #2727
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This thread is the seminal McD-era thread up to this point.
109 pages for a thread that simply asked why the guy wasn't seeing more touches for us.

"Again, I think Hillis has the physical tools to be productive, but this was an interesting read, if for no other reason... the detail it includes."
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Funny how time has a way of morphing reality into... someone "hates" Peyton Hillis.
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Old 12-01-2010, 04:44 PM   #2728
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wow, you really don't understand the comparison?


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Yes, Requiem said the production was inflated due to Cleveland feeding him the ball every other play. The poster I replied to said the same was true for Lloyd. However, Lloyd has only 4 more catches than the guy behind him, making that point moot.

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Old 12-01-2010, 04:49 PM   #2729
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109 pages for a thread that simply asked why the guy wasn't seeing more touches for us.

"Again, I think Hillis has the physical tools to be productive, but this was an interesting read, if for no other reason... the detail it includes."
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Funny how time has a way of morphing reality into... someone "hates" Peyton Hillis.
It encapsulates the McD era on the orangemane.
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109 pages for a thread that simply asked why the guy wasn't seeing more touches for us.

"Again, I think Hillis has the physical tools to be productive, but this was an interesting read, if for no other reason... the detail it includes."
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Funny how time has a way of morphing reality into... someone "hates" Peyton Hillis.
This might be the greatest thread in OM history. 10 years from now this thread will still be talked about, assuming it's still not in the front page then.
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Old 12-01-2010, 05:13 PM   #2731
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Yes, Requiem said the production was inflated due to Cleveland feeding him the ball every other play. The poster I replied to said the same was true for Lloyd. However, Lloyd has only 4 more catches than the guy behind him, making that point moot.

You really do suck.
I think the point he was trying to make by bringing in Lloyd was to show how stupid the post by Requiem was....
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Old 12-01-2010, 05:15 PM   #2732
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Peyton Hillis has 905 yards rushing and 11 rushing TDs and 46 receptions for 414 yards and 2 receiving TDs.

He is on the cusp of becoming the first white RB to gain 1,000 rushing yards in a season since Craig James ran for 1,227 yards in 1985.
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Old 12-01-2010, 05:25 PM   #2733
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Peyton Hillis has 905 yards rushing and 11 rushing TDs and 46 receptions for 414 yards and 2 receiving TDs.

He is on the cusp of becoming the first white RB to gain 1,000 rushing yards in a season since Craig James ran for 1,227 yards in 1985.
I bet he could play corner too, we really need a white corner in the NFL
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Peyton Hillis has 905 yards rushing and 11 rushing TDs and 46 receptions for 414 yards and 2 receiving TDs.

He is on the cusp of becoming the first white RB to gain 1,000 rushing yards in a season since Craig James ran for 1,227 yards in 1985.
The first white RB, and the 432nd RB overall. Why is it that nobody talks about the fact that he is a mediocre RB, having a mediocre season? Oh yea, because he's white.
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Old 12-01-2010, 05:36 PM   #2735
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so, this thread in summary after 2700+ posts is:

people who think Hillis sucked and that we pulled the wool over Cleveland's eyes by getting them to take this player off our hands:

- Popps.

people who think that McD screwed the pooch and never gave Hillis a chance:

- everybody else in the whole world.

is that pretty much it? did i cover it?
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Old 12-01-2010, 06:04 PM   #2736
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so, this thread in summary after 2700+ posts is:

people who think Hillis sucked and that we pulled the wool over Cleveland's eyes by getting them to take this player off our hands:

- Popps.

people who think that McD screwed the pooch and never gave Hillis a chance:

- everybody else in the whole world.

is that pretty much it? did i cover it?
I met some old work buddies for lunch today here in Chicago and all they could talk about was how mCd screwed the pooch on Hillis and they couldn't understand how mCd got no value for him.

At least we didn't have to talk about how well duh bears were doing but I could have done without the spying on the great Mike Singletary conversation, that kinda hurt.
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Good Hillis article......

His hog-nosed facemask is unlike any in the NFL, just one of the many things separating Peyton Hillis from the pack of running backs. "It looks like it has tusks," Hillis says in a distinct, Southern twang in describing the unique cage that protects the face of this football-crazed city's newest star. "It brings me back to my college days at Arkansas. It's ugly, but I like it."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...l/7319452.html
Yea, I've noticed him wearing the Razorback looking farcemasks for several weeks now. It's cool looking, since he was a former Hawg.
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Want to feel like you were punched in the gut? Watch this highlight reel. Having watched all but two of the Brown's games (I watched parts of those), this is just a handful of his big plays.

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so, this thread in summary after 2700+ posts is:

people who think Hillis sucked and that we pulled the wool over Cleveland's eyes by getting them to take this player off our hands:

- Popps.
Wow, you can't possibly be that blind or stupid.

Did you even bother to read the OP? Were you aware that I was one of, if not the first to call for him to be the starter at tailback? Do you read at all?


As has been pointed out... this is why this place is becoming so useless. People either can't read, or won't read... and so you're having a debate with them about something that doesn't exist.

Then the question becomes, do they KNOW they're telling lies and just doing it because that gives them pleasure, or are they so gullible that they believe something a troll read without doing the proper research themselves?

Either way, just another example of the degradation of the Mane.
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Old 12-01-2010, 06:31 PM   #2740
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Want to feel like you were punched in the gut?
I'd say being a Browns fan feels like being punched in the gut, enough.
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Old 12-01-2010, 06:33 PM   #2741
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I met some old work buddies for lunch today here in Chicago and all they could talk about was how mCd screwed the pooch on Hillis and they couldn't understand how mCd got no value for him..
Did your friends talk about making a near Pro-Bowl player out of Orton, or a definite Pro Bowl player out of Lloyd?

Maybe you could mention that the next time your friends are hurting your feelings.

Or, you could just ask them the last time the Bears won anything.
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Old 12-01-2010, 06:35 PM   #2742
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It encapsulates the McD era on the orangemane.
And then "JohnGalt" proves my point about 3 posts later.

He creates an imaginary argument that no one actually ever said, and argues with his own imaginary argument as if that's accomplishing something.

I've never understood why people would want to debate fictional arguments.

Maybe that's what you do when you can't discuss the real issues.
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Old 12-01-2010, 06:36 PM   #2743
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I met some old work buddies for lunch today here in Chicago and all they could talk about was how mCd screwed the pooch on Hillis and they couldn't understand how mCd got no value for him.

At least we didn't have to talk about how well duh bears were doing but I could have done without the spying on the great Mike Singletary conversation, that kinda hurt.
I get **** all the time about it from Faider fans too.... **** em...
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I get **** all the time about it from Faider fans too.... **** em...



Again... those situations are easily diffused.

Now, if a Patriots fan was insulting you... you might have to be more creative.

But, a Raiders fan? That's laughable. Tell them to worry about selling out their stadium before they worry about our trades.
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I think the point he was trying to make by bringing in Lloyd was to show how stupid the post by Requiem was....
Why was it a stupid post? It is something you nor anyone else for that matter can refute.

If the Browns had any decent receivers on their roster, Hillis would not receive the amount of targets in the passing game he does, nor would he have as many touches overall. It is not a balanced offense, which equates to inflated production. It is a simple game of numbers.
  • Lloyd has 58 catches for 1,122 yards on 108 targets.
  • Gaffney has 54 catches for 665 yards on 87 targets.
  • Royal has 51 catches for 552 yards on 79 targets.

Peyton Hillis has 245 touches and has his production. He has also been thrown to 58 times, more than any other receiver on his team. How often is it that a running back is the most targeted receiver on the team? I can't think of many instances of that happening.

The Cleveland Browns have had 660 offensive plays.
258 of them have been directed at Hillis. That is 39% of their offense being thrown towards one guy, almost 40% -- a staggering number.

Compare that to Brandon Lloyd (since someone brought him up) and his 108 play directions out of 708 account for 15% of our play calls.

Not even remotely close in comparison. 24-25 point difference in percentage is quite huge. Though, it might have been more apt to compare touches to another running back, rather than a receiver for arguments sake -- as if you guys had one to begin with anyways.

Good luck on bouncing the ball back this way. You will need it.
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Again... those situations are easily diffused.

Now, if a Patriots fan was insulting you... you might have to be more creative.

But, a Raiders fan? That's laughable. Tell them to worry about selling out their stadium before they worry about our trades.
Oh I do... Still irritates me every time I have to defend it... But ce le vie...
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Why was it a stupid post? It is something you nor anyone else for that matter can refute.

If the Browns had any decent receivers on their roster, Hillis would not receive the amount of targets in the passing game he does, nor would he have as many touches overall. It is not a balanced offense, which equates to inflated production. It is a simple game of numbers.
  • Lloyd has 58 catches for 1,122 yards on 108 targets.
  • Gaffney has 54 catches for 665 yards on 87 targets.
  • Royal has 51 catches for 552 yards on 79 targets.

Peyton Hillis has 245 touches and has his production. He has also been thrown to 58 times, more than any other receiver on his team. How often is it that a running back is the most targeted receiver on the team? I can't think of many instances of that happening.

The Cleveland Browns have had 660 offensive plays.
258 of them have been directed at Hillis. That is 39% of their offense being thrown towards one guy, almost 40% -- a staggering number.

Compare that to Brandon Lloyd (since someone brought him up) and his 108 play directions out of 708 account for 15% of our play calls.

Not even remotely close in comparison. 24-25 point difference in percentage is quite huge. Though, it might have been more apt to compare touches to another running back, rather than a receiver for arguments sake -- as if you guys had one to begin with anyways.

Good luck on bouncing the ball back this way. You will need it.
Your argument is valid but what it also points to is he is the most talented offensive threat on his team... Just sayin...
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Old 12-01-2010, 06:54 PM   #2748
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so, this thread in summary after 2700+ posts is:

people who think Hillis sucked and that we pulled the wool over Cleveland's eyes by getting them to take this player off our hands:

- Popps.

people who think that McD screwed the pooch and never gave Hillis a chance:

- everybody else in the whole world.

is that pretty much it? did i cover it?
You forgot the people that think that, while Hillis is having a very good (not great) year in cleveland, he had a terrible year last year here and it wasn't completely unjustified at the time (before Tebow was drafted, before Hillis proved that he could play well for more than 3 games in a row) that we traded him for a seemingly solid backup QB with 2 late round picks thrown in.

We got the bad end of that deal, Miami got the bad end of the Marshall deal, the Chicago deal is slightly up in the air, but I would argue that we got the better of that deal as well despite it not showing up in our record. Good AND bad deals happen to all teams. There have been much, much worse deals made than this one.

Unfortunately our owner gave our HC personnel control so when he doesn't think a player fits his vision, he gets to trade him.

Peyton Hillis bought his spot on the bench last year by sucking when he got chances, if he had taken advantage of his early chances, I'm sure his role in the offense would have been expanded. He is also in an ideal situation in cleveland, good for him hopefully he continues to improve. Whining about it won't bring him back.
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Your argument is valid but what it also points to is he is the most talented offensive threat on his team... Just sayin...
Of course he is, the rest of the offensive talent around him sucks and are ineffective, which is why he is given the ball so much. Put Hillis on a team at least one viable option at any skill position and he isn't going to put up the numbers he is.

Just think of Knowshon Moreno had 40% of the touches for this team. I'm sure his numbers would be Pro-Bowl caliber too.

At 22% of our teams touches, he has 773 yards and 7 scores. Not too shabby. He has come on strong as of late and has made the most of his opportunities for the most part.

So people can pine Hillis all they want, but it is as clear as day that in our offensive system or any other where there is some balance he isn't going to be putting up those numbers. Not at all.
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Want to feel like you were punched in the gut? Watch this highlight reel. Having watched all but two of the Brown's games (I watched parts of those), this is just a handful of his big plays.


Josh McDaniels is a talent moron.
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