Woody Paige : "Chris Simms is a bust as a quarterback" - The Orange Mane

Bronco Rob · 11-23-2009, 02:08 AM

Paige: Cheers to jeers to howls

By Woody Paige
The Denver Post
Posted: 11/23/2009 01:00:00 AM MST

It's just gotta stop.

I'm sick of it.

I'm frustrated. It's past the point of talking about. It's time to go out and win.

Those are not the hysterical howls of a frustrated fanatic or a callous columnist.

That is a summation of Kyle Orton's oration after the Broncos' annihilation at the hands and feet of the Chargers on Sunday. This was the worst of the debacles of the past four games, losses by 23, 18, 10 and 29 points.

The meltdown persists.

With 4:19 remaining in the first half, Orton hears an ovation.

As he trotted onto the field with his bad left ankle to take over at quarterback, the crowd stood and cheered the man who had been jeered in the exhibition season. There probably hadn't been a louder shout-out for a quarterback in this stadium.

With 3:51 remaining in the game, when Orton limped out to play once more, he heard no roars or boos. The crowd had left. There have been similar quiet moments in this stadium. The Broncos and the fans could stand no more.

Orton was asked about his third quarter, fourth-and-5 pass that landed behind and below Jabar Gaffney.

"I was throwing it to (Brandon) Stokley," he said.

The Broncos have been low and outside for four weeks. They are 0-for-November. The surprise of the NFL has become superfluous. Second place now belongs to the Broncos. Three touchdowns by the offense in this four-game skid (and 37 total points), and the turnovers are now even for the season — 14 (three Sunday) by the Broncos, 14 by the others (none Sunday).

Chris Simms is a bust as a quarterback. Everybody found out he, and I, were wrong.

And Kyle Orton isn't feeling or looking so good himself.

The quarterback ratings of the two QBs combined — 55.4 for Orton and 56.2 for Simms — were barely higher than Philip Rivers' 109.1.

Orton preferred that Simms play against the Chargers. Simms was more comfortable not playing. The rest of the Broncos acted like they wished somebody else would play their positions. Although they knew that a defeat against the Chargers might mean no playoffs, there was no emotion, no toughness, no sense of urgency, no response to the Chargers, no protection of the home field. And here come the Giants.

The Chargers and the Broncos got into another War of the Words before the game, with Denver coach Josh McDaniels getting involved — and, according to witnesses, declaring "We own you" to the Chargers, or one player specifically. McDaniels showed spunk. The Chargers may have showed punk. But the Chargers again owned the Broncos, as they have in six of the past eight conflicts.

McDaniels and the Broncos have to own up to their recent ineptness. The coaching staff can't be absolved from blame. The Broncos, as McDaniels acknowledged, aren't getting ahead early (one touchdown, one field goal on opening drives this season), and the game plan has been discarded in the second half, while the foes run, run, run, as Spot in the (old school) first reader.

Philip Rivers didn't pass through the Broncos (only 145 yards), but the Chargers ran through the defense — 43 carries for 203 yards — even when the Broncos crammed the line of scrimmage. The Chargers, the Ravens, the Steelers and the Redskins might as well have been running through soy milk.

The Broncos are one tipped pass from .500, one loss to the Giants from drifting into December as they have in recent seasons.

To his credit, Orton tried to play. He had not practiced all week and knew on Friday he couldn't start on Sunday unless he had a wondrous recovery. But he told McDaniels before the game he would be ready. Simms and all the other Broncos stunk, and McDaniels made the move in the second quarter — because Orton could play in the shotgun and Simms had produced no points and one fumble.

Orton completed three consecutive passes to get the Broncos to the San Diego 4. Knowshon Moreno then fumbled at the goal. Moreno-no.

Down 13-0, Orton couldn't rally the Broncos, and wide receiver Brandon Marshall began chewing on his teammates.

"It's past the point of talking about execution or running the ball or passing the ball," Orton said. "I'm done feeling the loss. I'm sick of it . . . It's been a long time since we've won, so let's get back on the field and win a game. That's all we are talking about from here on out is just winning . . . It's just gotta stop."

He said it more eloquently than the rest of us.

http://www.denverpost.com/premium/broncos/ci_13847718

DBroncos4life · 11-23-2009, 02:19 AM

I just wish they would fight.

Blart · 11-23-2009, 02:31 AM

You know they will, listen to how the Broncos are talking now. They're pissed. The losing stops Thursday.

Broncoman13 · 11-23-2009, 04:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blart

You know they will, listen to how the Broncos are talking now. They're pissed. The losing stops Thursday.

I'll buy you a six pack of your favorite beverage if we win on Turkeyday. Make no mistake, I'll be watching and cheering for my favorite team to kick some ass... but Brandon Jacobs and Bradshaw are going to run for 250 yards against this defense. 28-12

backup qb · 11-23-2009, 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blart

You know they will, listen to how the Broncos are talking now. They're pissed. The losing stops Thursday.

I'm glad you're confident. As far as I'm concernced talking is all they're capable of.

backup qb · 11-23-2009, 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dekcuf

I'll buy you a six pack of your favorite beverage if we win on Turkeyday. Make no mistake, I'll be watching and cheering for my favorite team to kick some ass... but Brandon Jacobs and Bradshaw are going to run for 250 yards against this defense. 28-12

Yeah, I am very worried about Jacobs and Bradshaw as well. I never saw the highlights from yesterdays game against Atlanta. How did they run it?

Broncoman13 · 11-23-2009, 04:54 AM

Does it matter? We just gave up 200 yards to one of the worst rushing offenses in the NFL... AT HOME. You think we're going to right the ship in three days/

ColoradoDarin · 11-23-2009, 04:59 AM

Chris Simms is as good at quarterbacking as Woody Paige is at commenting on football.

Bob's your Information Minister · 11-23-2009, 05:07 AM

Well...yeah...welcome to like five years ago.

errand · 11-23-2009, 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dekcuf

Does it matter? We just gave up 200 yards to one of the worst rushing offenses in the NFL... AT HOME. You think we're going to right the ship in three days/

while the chargers hadn't run the ball well this season...to say they're not a good running team with Tomlinson and Sproles in the backfield is not accurate.

go_broncos · 11-23-2009, 05:33 AM

Wonder why it took so much time to realize that simms is a bust.
Next article he will say 'Cutler is a bust'.
Somtimes i wonder, if we(fans) know more about the team than coaches and sportswriters.

elsid13 · 11-23-2009, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by errand

while the chargers hadn't run the ball well this season...to say they're not a good running team with Tomlinson and Sproles in the backfield is not accurate.

Tomlison isn't the runner he was 3 years ago, he lacks a burst and is starting to show the ravages of playing in the NFL. And Sproles has never be a feature runner. The Charger run game has sucked this season, just like Washington had until it met Denver Defense.

The DE are horrible right now and it showing.

barryr · 11-23-2009, 05:41 AM

Simms looked embarrassing out there and this is the same QB that Paige and many Cutler fans(yeah, the golden boy is sure making the Bears contenders) told us was better than Orton. Talk about knowing very little about the game.

gunns · 11-23-2009, 06:03 AM

You know, we got more than we ever expected with that 6-0 start, at least we saw improvement in the team from last year. We partially know what's wrong with the offense, can't figure out the running game, can't figure out the complete turn around of the defense. Hopefully they all get pissed and turned this thing around. I'm please with what McD has done so far, I can even handle some of his bone head plays BUT if he ever puts Simms out there on the field again, for any reason, that's when I turn on him. Put Brandstater in there, hell call up Rod Smith, BUT don't ever do something as stupid as putting Simms in there ever again. Orton should not have had to come in yesterday and may make it more difficult for him on Thursday. Just stupid putting Simms in there for one second.

tsiguy96 · 11-23-2009, 06:11 AM

atleast our running game is fine. the rest of the game sucks so its hard to feature the running game, moreno is damn good, besides fumbling.

GeniusatWork · 11-23-2009, 07:08 AM

Woody is a gadfly.

Bronco Rob · 11-23-2009, 03:30 PM

ro_50 · 11-23-2009, 03:49 PM

Has Woody Paige ever watched an entire football game before in his life?

SJ Bronco · 11-23-2009, 04:01 PM

Thursday.........

SouthStndJunkie · 11-23-2009, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blart

You know they will, listen to how the Broncos are talking now. They're pissed. The losing stops Thursday.

Talk is cheap.

colonelbeef · 11-23-2009, 04:55 PM

Did McDaniels really say that to the Chargers before the game?

If so, how amateurish, if not downright ****ing dumb. First off, lowering yourself to the level of some douche player, then having your team go and get blown out at home.

Embarrassing.

Los Broncos · 11-23-2009, 05:01 PM

This just in "the sky is blue"

oubronco · 11-23-2009, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by colonelbeef

Did McDaniels really say that to the Chargers before the game?

If so, how amateurish, if not downright ****ing dumb. First off, lowering yourself to the level of some douche player, then having your team go and get blown out at home.

Embarrassing.

not to mention give them motivation RIGHT before the game just plain stupid like his moves of late

The Moops · 11-23-2009, 06:26 PM

At least he admitted he was wrong about Simms, although critics are so quick to throw in the towel if a qb goes through a tough time . . .

VINCE YOUNG

Simms might not be the answer to the Broncos qb woes, but someday if he has a chance to play some he might help another team.

Just as critics are quick to bury a guy, they're also happy to anoint a qb as the next savior after 1 good season... Scott Mitchell, I mean, Rob Johnson, I mean Matt Cassel . . .

orinjkrush · 11-23-2009, 06:27 PM

it was surprising and disappointing how bad simmmilar was.

i had higher hopes.

11-23-2009, 02:08 AM	#1
Bronco Rob Ring of Famer There's A New Sheriff In Town Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 4,588 Adopt-a-Bronco: Bill Vinovich	Woody Paige : "Chris Simms is a bust as a quarterback" Paige: Cheers to jeers to howls By Woody Paige The Denver Post Posted: 11/23/2009 01:00:00 AM MST It's just gotta stop. I'm sick of it. I'm frustrated. It's past the point of talking about. It's time to go out and win. Those are not the hysterical howls of a frustrated fanatic or a callous columnist. That is a summation of Kyle Orton's oration after the Broncos' annihilation at the hands and feet of the Chargers on Sunday. This was the worst of the debacles of the past four games, losses by 23, 18, 10 and 29 points. The meltdown persists. With 4:19 remaining in the first half, Orton hears an ovation. As he trotted onto the field with his bad left ankle to take over at quarterback, the crowd stood and cheered the man who had been jeered in the exhibition season. There probably hadn't been a louder shout-out for a quarterback in this stadium. With 3:51 remaining in the game, when Orton limped out to play once more, he heard no roars or boos. The crowd had left. There have been similar quiet moments in this stadium. The Broncos and the fans could stand no more. Orton was asked about his third quarter, fourth-and-5 pass that landed behind and below Jabar Gaffney. "I was throwing it to (Brandon) Stokley," he said. The Broncos have been low and outside for four weeks. They are 0-for-November. The surprise of the NFL has become superfluous. Second place now belongs to the Broncos. Three touchdowns by the offense in this four-game skid (and 37 total points), and the turnovers are now even for the season — 14 (three Sunday) by the Broncos, 14 by the others (none Sunday). Chris Simms is a bust as a quarterback. Everybody found out he, and I, were wrong. And Kyle Orton isn't feeling or looking so good himself. The quarterback ratings of the two QBs combined — 55.4 for Orton and 56.2 for Simms — were barely higher than Philip Rivers' 109.1. Orton preferred that Simms play against the Chargers. Simms was more comfortable not playing. The rest of the Broncos acted like they wished somebody else would play their positions. Although they knew that a defeat against the Chargers might mean no playoffs, there was no emotion, no toughness, no sense of urgency, no response to the Chargers, no protection of the home field. And here come the Giants. The Chargers and the Broncos got into another War of the Words before the game, with Denver coach Josh McDaniels getting involved — and, according to witnesses, declaring "We own you" to the Chargers, or one player specifically. McDaniels showed spunk. The Chargers may have showed punk. But the Chargers again owned the Broncos, as they have in six of the past eight conflicts. McDaniels and the Broncos have to own up to their recent ineptness. The coaching staff can't be absolved from blame. The Broncos, as McDaniels acknowledged, aren't getting ahead early (one touchdown, one field goal on opening drives this season), and the game plan has been discarded in the second half, while the foes run, run, run, as Spot in the (old school) first reader. Philip Rivers didn't pass through the Broncos (only 145 yards), but the Chargers ran through the defense — 43 carries for 203 yards — even when the Broncos crammed the line of scrimmage. The Chargers, the Ravens, the Steelers and the Redskins might as well have been running through soy milk. The Broncos are one tipped pass from .500, one loss to the Giants from drifting into December as they have in recent seasons. To his credit, Orton tried to play. He had not practiced all week and knew on Friday he couldn't start on Sunday unless he had a wondrous recovery. But he told McDaniels before the game he would be ready. Simms and all the other Broncos stunk, and McDaniels made the move in the second quarter — because Orton could play in the shotgun and Simms had produced no points and one fumble. Orton completed three consecutive passes to get the Broncos to the San Diego 4. Knowshon Moreno then fumbled at the goal. Moreno-no. Down 13-0, Orton couldn't rally the Broncos, and wide receiver Brandon Marshall began chewing on his teammates. "It's past the point of talking about execution or running the ball or passing the ball," Orton said. "I'm done feeling the loss. I'm sick of it . . . It's been a long time since we've won, so let's get back on the field and win a game. That's all we are talking about from here on out is just winning . . . It's just gotta stop." He said it more eloquently than the rest of us. http://www.denverpost.com/premium/broncos/ci_13847718

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11-23-2009, 02:19 AM	#2
DBroncos4life Hey pic Mod!?!?! FU Why yes, that is Bacon Bacon. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The wrong side of right. Posts: 26,590	I just wish they would fight.

11-23-2009, 02:31 AM	#3
Blart I'm gay for the Broncos! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 2,588 Adopt-a-Bronco: All @ same time	You know they will, listen to how the Broncos are talking now. They're pissed. The losing stops Thursday.

11-23-2009, 04:54 AM	#7
Broncoman13 Broncoholic JT #80 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Colorado Posts: 16,962 Adopt-a-Bronco: Orange Julius	Does it matter? We just gave up 200 yards to one of the worst rushing offenses in the NFL... AT HOME. You think we're going to right the ship in three days/

11-23-2009, 04:59 AM	#8
ColoradoDarin Ring of Famer AFCW Champs! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: St Augustine, FL Posts: 5,525 Adopt-a-Bronco: Knowshon's Shoe	Chris Simms is as good at quarterbacking as Woody Paige is at commenting on football.

11-23-2009, 05:07 AM	#9
Bob's your Information Minister Chiefs > Broncos Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,921 Adopt-a-Bronco: CHRIS KUPER!!!	Well...yeah...welcome to like five years ago.

11-23-2009, 05:33 AM	#11
go_broncos Ring of Famer **** you Bill Vinovich Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 5,220 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rod Smith	Wonder why it took so much time to realize that simms is a bust. Next article he will say 'Cutler is a bust'. Somtimes i wonder, if we(fans) know more about the team than coaches and sportswriters.

11-23-2009, 05:41 AM	#13
barryr Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,269 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Simms looked embarrassing out there and this is the same QB that Paige and many Cutler fans(yeah, the golden boy is sure making the Bears contenders) told us was better than Orton. Talk about knowing very little about the game.

11-23-2009, 06:03 AM	#14
gunns I WANT DEFENSE! Defense, defense, defense Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Always Hoping Posts: 11,661 Adopt-a-Bronco: Defense	You know, we got more than we ever expected with that 6-0 start, at least we saw improvement in the team from last year. We partially know what's wrong with the offense, can't figure out the running game, can't figure out the complete turn around of the defense. Hopefully they all get pissed and turned this thing around. I'm please with what McD has done so far, I can even handle some of his bone head plays BUT if he ever puts Simms out there on the field again, for any reason, that's when I turn on him. Put Brandstater in there, hell call up Rod Smith, BUT don't ever do something as stupid as putting Simms in there ever again. Orton should not have had to come in yesterday and may make it more difficult for him on Thursday. Just stupid putting Simms in there for one second.

11-23-2009, 06:11 AM	#15
tsiguy96 Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 12,559 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	atleast our running game is fine. the rest of the game sucks so its hard to feature the running game, moreno is damn good, besides fumbling.

11-23-2009, 07:08 AM	#16
GeniusatWork I like to be optimistic But not nauseatingly optimistic Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Denver Posts: 243 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Woody is a gadfly.

11-23-2009, 03:30 PM	#17
Bronco Rob Ring of Famer There's A New Sheriff In Town Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 4,588 Adopt-a-Bronco: Bill Vinovich

11-23-2009, 03:49 PM	#18
ro_50 Ring of Famer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Somewhere in Jersey Posts: 3,782	Has Woody Paige ever watched an entire football game before in his life?

11-23-2009, 04:01 PM	#19
SJ Bronco Ring of Famer Real Tree, No Seeds Join Date: May 2001 Location: San Jose Ca Posts: 9,798 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	Thursday.........

11-23-2009, 04:55 PM	#21
colonelbeef Purge the McScandals! Ben McDaniels needs a new family Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 3,856 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ben McDaniels	Did McDaniels really say that to the Chargers before the game? If so, how amateurish, if not downright ****ing dumb. First off, lowering yourself to the level of some douche player, then having your team go and get blown out at home. Embarrassing.

11-23-2009, 05:01 PM	#22
Los Broncos Ring of farmers Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Anaheim Hills, Santa Ana Mountains CA Posts: 18,766 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ryan Clady	This just in "the sky is blue"

11-23-2009, 06:26 PM	#24
The Moops Old School Dude Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Princeton, NJ Posts: 1,115 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	At least he admitted he was wrong about Simms, although critics are so quick to throw in the towel if a qb goes through a tough time . . . VINCE YOUNG Simms might not be the answer to the Broncos qb woes, but someday if he has a chance to play some he might help another team. Just as critics are quick to bury a guy, they're also happy to anoint a qb as the next savior after 1 good season... Scott Mitchell, I mean, Rob Johnson, I mean Matt Cassel . . .

11-23-2009, 06:27 PM	#25
orinjkrush ... Prospects for the future... Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DistrictOfCorruption Posts: 4,914 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ben Garland	it was surprising and disappointing how bad simmmilar was. i had higher hopes.