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Old 11-22-2009, 10:24 PM   #1
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Default Obligatory Bears draft pick thread

4-6, for all intents and purposes they don't have much of a shot of making the playoffs at this point, however winning out and going 10-6 could obviously do it.

Where they're picking starts to matter once they've been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, and the first step comes next week.

Weeks 12: Chicago (4-6) @ Minnesota (9-1)

A Vikings win next week eliminates the Bears from any shot at winning the NFC North.

Current WC standings:

Philly 6-4
GB 6-4
NYG 6-4
Atlanta 5-5
San Fran 4-6
Carolina 4-6
Chicago 4-6

Bears are 2-5 in the conference (ouch!) and have lost head-to-heads with 4 of the 6 teams ahead of them (Philly, GB, Atlanta, and San Fran).

The pick stands at #11-14 right now.
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11-14 is friggin perfect.

Just out of the mega-price-tag range, but high enough to get an impact player.
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11-14 is friggin perfect.

Just out of the mega-price-tag range, but high enough to get an impact player.
No perfect would be 2 1st round picks .
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11-14 is friggin perfect.

Just out of the mega-price-tag range, but high enough to get an impact player.
There is no rookie cap next year (or salary cap), there are going to be more holdouts than usual and the slotting system is going to go to ****.
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No perfect would be 2 1st round picks .
You said it. Al Smith sucks balls.
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Old 11-22-2009, 11:28 PM   #9
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There is no rookie cap next year (or salary cap), there are going to be more holdouts than usual and the slotting system is going to go to ****.
That's in 2011. 2010 is suppose to be uncapped except for the little clause in the CBA that only increases the cap by 30%. So it's not the true uncap year.
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No perfect would be 2 1st round picks .
Maybe. We'll see. A low to low-mid first round pick next year would have just had us taking a player like A. Smith, anyway.

We got the kid a year early, didn't pay much for him and hopefully he'll develop.
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You said it. Al Smith sucks balls.
He doesn't suck balls, but he's not exactly lighting the world on fire, either. Due consideration should be made for the fact that he's only a rookie, but he hasn't really had much of an impact in any substantial way. I would have liked to have seen some more progress by now, especially given what we gave up for him. While it is true that DEN did not really give up a "Top 5-10 pick" for him as we feared, it seems the probable loss here is a first round pick about in the middle of the round. That's still not a good exchange as compared to an early 2nd. It also seems that this will be a stronger year in terms of 3-4 DL prospects as well, so that is problematic from the standpoint of the lost pick. Overall, so far, it seems like a net loss. If we had two firsts, we could make a move up to get another franchise QB (Locker), or DEN would be able to nab the top interior OL as well as a top DL with the picks, or one of those two plus a mid first QB. It would have been a nice asset to have. Hopefully, Alphonso can turn it up a notch. He DEFINITELY has the ball skills. I've seen it first hand. It's just a matter of avoiding the rookie wall and adapting to the league over time.
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He doesn't suck balls, but he's not exactly lighting the world on fire, either. Due consideration should be made for the fact that he's only a rookie, but he hasn't really had much of an impact in any substantial way. I would have liked to have seen some more progress by now, especially given what we gave up for him. While it is true that DEN did not really give up a "Top 5-10 pick" for him as we feared, it seems the probable loss here is a first round pick about in the middle of the round. That's still not a good exchange as compared to an early 2nd. It also seems that this will be a stronger year in terms of 3-4 DL prospects as well, so that is problematic from the standpoint of the lost pick. Overall, so far, it seems like a net loss. If we had two firsts, we could make a move up to get another franchise QB (Locker), or DEN would be able to nab the top interior OL as well as a top DL with the picks, or one of those two plus a mid first QB. It would have been a nice asset to have. Hopefully, Alphonso can turn it up a notch. He DEFINITELY has the ball skills. I've seen it first hand. It's just a matter of avoiding the rookie wall and adapting to the league over time.
I'd say that's all pretty fair. I'm disappointed that he's not active. It's a bummer.

But, I'm also going to hold out judgment. I think McD expects a lot from guys, and after a 6-0 start, perhaps his mindset began to change from one of rebuilding, to... "****, we'd better make something out of this start."
Maybe that's led to some of the younger guys losing time.

I hope they can claw their way back, though. Obviously, they're our future.
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A. Smith has been a huge disappointment.

That will be further exhibited when the Bears pick and our previous 1st rounder, now Seattle's, will be very close to one another in a draft MUCH deeper than last year's.

We traded a 1st this year for a 2nd last year, to draft a small, slow CB who has good ball skills. In the process, Ty Law and his one good leg was signed away from his couch mid-season and has taken all of Smith's reps.

So basically he's improving by chilling on the bench. Excellent.

I fear we're going to be regretting this trade for awhile. Hell, that trade may have cost us landing two studs this April like Joe Haden and Rolondo McClain. Those are cornerstones that are not easily replaced.
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Of course you do, and then in April you'd advocate trading down about 8 times to accumlate picks. Then you'd want them to do a shotgun approach, and if that didn't pan out, you'll be here in 2-3 years whining about how bad the draft was because for some odd reason, they didn't net any Pro Bowlers with all the picks they had in the 4th and 5th rounds while other teams who stayed put where the talent is, are pleased with their drafts.
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4 more losses would be nice.
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4 more losses would be nice.
I see 4 clear losses and 2 clear wins
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4 more losses would be nice.
A sweep by the Vikings, and losses to Green Bay and Baltimore are CERTAINLY possible...
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I see 4 clear losses and 2 clear wins
I think the last game against Detroit might be a little closer than people expect. Bears will be out of it at that point, you'll have to wonder what their motivation is going to be after all the hype and promise they had coming into the season. On the flip side, Detroit's been playing for pride and just attempting to get better as the season progresses since they've known all along they weren't playing in the postseason.
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A sweep by the Vikings, and losses to Green Bay and Baltimore are CERTAINLY possible...
That would make 6 & 10 good enough for a top 12 pick I would think.
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A. Smith has been a huge disappointment.

That will be further exhibited when the Bears pick and our previous 1st rounder, now Seattle's, will be very close to one another in a draft MUCH deeper than last year's.

We traded a 1st this year for a 2nd last year, to draft a small, slow CB who has good ball skills. In the process, Ty Law and his one good leg was signed away from his couch mid-season and has taken all of Smith's reps.

So basically he's improving by chilling on the bench. Excellent.

I fear we're going to be regretting this trade for awhile. Hell, that trade may have cost us landing two studs this April like Joe Haden and Rolondo McClain. Those are cornerstones that are not easily replaced.
I could not have said it any better myself. We will regret this trade based on the talent available next year. Although, McD may have something up his sleeve (letting Marshall go for a #1, etc.). Moves like this would not surprise me at all.
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That would make 6 & 10 good enough for a top 12 pick I would think.
The last 5 years, 6-10 has netted:

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'07
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Where does the pick we gave to Seattle shake out at this point?
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Where does the pick we gave to Seattle shake out at this point?
18-24 are where the 6-4 teams are at this point, ties are broke based on SOS (not doing the playoff tiebreakers at this point) and there's will be pretty good. I'm guessing closer to 24 than to 18.
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