Schefter reporting Broncos almost traded for Quinn - The Orange Mane

Denver724 · 11-15-2009, 08:30 AM

Reported Broncos were going to give them a first day pick. Browns pulled the plug. Interesting.

On ESPN this morning with Mort.

From Schefter's Blog

Quinn's quest for snaps

Teams are no different than stockbrokers. They try to buy low and sell high.
Cleveland had a chance to do it last offseason, when it debated dealing quarterback Brady Quinn to the Denver Broncos for a first-day draft choice, according to multiple NFL sources. Ultimately, the Browns balked, partly because they were unwilling to give up Quinn and partly because they didn't want to have to use another high draft pick on a quarterback.
Thus, no deal.
Now, as Quinn prepares for Monday night's start at Baltimore, he will try to restore his reputation and his rebuild his value, which has dropped dramatically since he was benched during his third NFL start this season. Fortunately for the Browns, Quinn still has half a season to prove he can be a better quarterback than he was. But it could be difficult for Cleveland to recoup the offer it had on the table for Quinn last offseason from Denver.
Cleveland coach Eric Mangini told CBSsportsline.com last week that he was unaware of the specific incentives in quarterback Brady Quinn's contract. But the specifics cast questions on what the Browns knew. Quinn has $5 million worth of incentives for this season and another $5.95 million for next season based on him playing in 70 percent of the Browns plays this year.
During Cleveland's first three games, Quinn played 137 plays. Then, just before Cleveland's bye, when he got in the game at the end, Quinn played three more. All together, he now has played 140 of the team's 463 offensive plays this season.
On average, a team runs 60 offensive plays per game, sometimes a few more, sometimes a few less. Using that reliable number, Cleveland would run 960 offensive plays this season. Seventy-percent of 960 is 672 snaps.
But if Quinn were to take every snap in the Browns final eight games, that would give him 480 snaps for the rest of the season to go along with his previous 140 -- 620 all together, and 52 short of the snaps he would need to hit 70 percent playtime and $10.95 million worth of incentives. The 52 snaps short is the equivalent of one start. So had Quinn started one more game, he would have been in play to earn an additional $5 million in incentives for this season and another $5.95 million for next season. Now, Quinn still could play 70 percent next season and earn $5.95 million in incentives then. But he lost the $5 million in incentives he could have earned this season and also lost the chance to clinch the $5.95 million for next season as well.
Mangini might not have known about these clauses and these numbers. But as one NFL executive pointed out, Mangini stuck with Derek Anderson longer than he did Quinn, and Anderson was just as bad if not worse than Quinn.

outdoor_miner · 11-15-2009, 08:34 AM

FYI - According to Schefter's twitter, it was during the offseason... Just so no one thinks we were shopping for Quinn recently.

tsiguy96 · 11-15-2009, 08:41 AM

it was reported around that time too, that we offered a first for him and tehy said no.

Beantown Bronco · 11-15-2009, 08:43 AM

This thread should get to 10 pages before kickoff.

JCMElway · 11-15-2009, 08:50 AM

Quinn vs. Orton.....Hmmmmmm.....

Better yet, Quinn Vs. Moreno and Ayers.

elsid13 · 11-15-2009, 08:50 AM

Well maybe next off season it will only cost us a 3rd.

Beantown Bronco · 11-15-2009, 08:52 AM

Can Quinn punt?

Br0nc0Buster · 11-15-2009, 08:52 AM

That saddens me if true

Quinn is horrible, I have no idea what anyone would see in him to give up a high draft pick

If true then thank goodness the Browns turned that offer down

Bronx33 · 11-15-2009, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by beantown bronco

can quinn punt?

rofl!

elsid13 · 11-15-2009, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Br0nc0Buster

That saddens me if true

Quinn is horrible, I have no idea what anyone would see in him to give up a high draft pick

If true then thank goodness the Browns turned that offer down

To be fair, it hard to say how good/bad Quinn is, while operating in that franchise environment.

Hercules Rockefeller · 11-15-2009, 08:55 AM

This tells me that McD preferred the deal the Browns put on the table for Cutler and then pulled, over the deal they took from Chicago.

tsiguy96 · 11-15-2009, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Br0nc0Buster

That saddens me if true

Quinn is horrible, I have no idea what anyone would see in him to give up a high draft pick

If true then thank goodness the Browns turned that offer down

quinn is playing on the browns, he thrived under charlie weiss, he may do equally well here with much better system, coaching and surrounding cast. mangini may be the worst HC in the NFL.

elsid13 · 11-15-2009, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

This tells me that McD preferred the deal the Browns put on the table for Cutler and then pulled, over the deal they took from Chicago.

Wasn't the Cleveland deal dependent on a third team involvement?

Beantown Bronco · 11-15-2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

This tells me that McD preferred the deal the Browns put on the table for Cutler and then pulled, over the deal they took from Chicago.

The way I'm reading it is they're talking about this deal as occurring "post Cutler trade".

Hamrob · 11-15-2009, 08:58 AM

What we need is a QB who is smart and can manage a game....but who also can push it down field when needed.

Kyle Orton won't lose the games we're supposed to win. I give him credit for that. But, he can't help us win the games that we need out QB to make a defense pay for crowding the line. That is a must have in an NFL QB.

Can Quinn do that. I don't think so. I think he's just a more flashy Orton.

Beantown Bronco · 11-15-2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by elsid13

Wasn't the Cleveland deal dependent on a third team involvement?

I always viewed that as purely OMane myth.

elsid13 · 11-15-2009, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

I always viewed that as purely OMane myth.

It was more then that, because the local DC TV/Radio was also reporting that Washington was involved in discussion with Cleveland and Denver about Cutler.

ColoradoDarin · 11-15-2009, 09:01 AM

I'd rather just develop Brandstater than trade a 7th for Quinn now.

tsiguy96 · 11-15-2009, 09:01 AM

pretty positive cleveland was never a contender for cutler. this was the day before teh draft that this was first reported.

Hercules Rockefeller · 11-15-2009, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by elsid13

Wasn't the Cleveland deal dependent on a third team involvement?

No, someone at Fanhouse wrote an article saying he'd heard that, but that would be like someone at this site saying it was a 3-team deal. No credible site said there'd be a 3rd team. Cleveland was always brought in anyway to facilitate the trade of Cutler to that 3rd team (usually the Skins).

Hercules Rockefeller · 11-15-2009, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

The way I'm reading it is they're talking about this deal as occurring "post Cutler trade".

Which would just be more proof that the QB that McDaniels really wanted was Quinn and not Orton if he's still trying to get Quinn after they picked up Orton.

elsid13 · 11-15-2009, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

Which would just be more proof that the QB that McDaniels really wanted was Quinn and not Orton if he's still trying to get Quinn after they picked up Orton.

Wonder what that tells us.

Beantown Bronco · 11-15-2009, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elsid13

It was more then that, because the local DC TV/Radio was also reporting that Washington was involved in discussion with Cleveland and Denver about Cutler.

Giving credence to "radio reports" is sketchy at best. Having said that, all I kept hearing was Campbell and a pick or two for Cutler. I never heard or saw anything credible about a three team deal involving them. Isn't that why it was widely noted here that McDaniels obviously preferred Orton to Campbell, despite the better pick he would've gotten from Washington?

Hercules Rockefeller · 11-15-2009, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsiguy96

pretty positive cleveland was never a contender for cutler. this was the day before teh draft that this was first reported.

Yes, they were. They were one of the finalists because McDaniels wanted a QB, and the 2 that he liked were Orton and Quinn. That's why Tampa, Washington, and the Jets were never really contenders, they didn't have a QB that Denver liked. Mangini pulled the plug because he was afraid Cutler wouldn't report or still be a b**** because Mangini obviously comes from the same coaching tree as McDaniels, and JC would have been treated the same in Cleveland as he was in Denver.

Beantown Bronco · 11-15-2009, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

Which would just be more proof that the QB that McDaniels really wanted was Quinn and not Orton if he's still trying to get Quinn after they picked up Orton.

Exactly. That's why I predicted above that this should get to 10 pages inside of an hour.

11-15-2009, 08:30 AM	#1
Denver724 Ring of Famer Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,517	Schefter reporting Broncos almost traded for Quinn Reported Broncos were going to give them a first day pick. Browns pulled the plug. Interesting. On ESPN this morning with Mort. From Schefter's Blog Quinn's quest for snaps Teams are no different than stockbrokers. They try to buy low and sell high. Cleveland had a chance to do it last offseason, when it debated dealing quarterback Brady Quinn to the Denver Broncos for a first-day draft choice, according to multiple NFL sources. Ultimately, the Browns balked, partly because they were unwilling to give up Quinn and partly because they didn't want to have to use another high draft pick on a quarterback. Thus, no deal. Now, as Quinn prepares for Monday night's start at Baltimore, he will try to restore his reputation and his rebuild his value, which has dropped dramatically since he was benched during his third NFL start this season. Fortunately for the Browns, Quinn still has half a season to prove he can be a better quarterback than he was. But it could be difficult for Cleveland to recoup the offer it had on the table for Quinn last offseason from Denver. Cleveland coach Eric Mangini told CBSsportsline.com last week that he was unaware of the specific incentives in quarterback Brady Quinn's contract. But the specifics cast questions on what the Browns knew. Quinn has $5 million worth of incentives for this season and another $5.95 million for next season based on him playing in 70 percent of the Browns plays this year. During Cleveland's first three games, Quinn played 137 plays. Then, just before Cleveland's bye, when he got in the game at the end, Quinn played three more. All together, he now has played 140 of the team's 463 offensive plays this season. On average, a team runs 60 offensive plays per game, sometimes a few more, sometimes a few less. Using that reliable number, Cleveland would run 960 offensive plays this season. Seventy-percent of 960 is 672 snaps. But if Quinn were to take every snap in the Browns final eight games, that would give him 480 snaps for the rest of the season to go along with his previous 140 -- 620 all together, and 52 short of the snaps he would need to hit 70 percent playtime and $10.95 million worth of incentives. The 52 snaps short is the equivalent of one start. So had Quinn started one more game, he would have been in play to earn an additional $5 million in incentives for this season and another $5.95 million for next season. Now, Quinn still could play 70 percent next season and earn $5.95 million in incentives then. But he lost the $5 million in incentives he could have earned this season and also lost the chance to clinch the $5.95 million for next season as well. Mangini might not have known about these clauses and these numbers. But as one NFL executive pointed out, Mangini stuck with Derek Anderson longer than he did Quinn, and Anderson was just as bad if not worse than Quinn. Last edited by Denver724; 11-15-2009 at 09:06 AM..

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11-15-2009, 08:34 AM	#2
outdoor_miner Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,097 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	FYI - According to Schefter's twitter, it was during the offseason... Just so no one thinks we were shopping for Quinn recently.

11-15-2009, 08:41 AM	#3
tsiguy96 Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 12,559 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	it was reported around that time too, that we offered a first for him and tehy said no.

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JCMElway Moderate-erator Dominate! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 6,866 Adopt-a-Bronco: Oleg	Quinn vs. Orton.....Hmmmmmm..... Better yet, Quinn Vs. Moreno and Ayers.

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elsid13 Lost In Space Bóg, Honor, Ojczyzna Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: DC Posts: 19,080	Well maybe next off season it will only cost us a 3rd.

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Br0nc0Buster 2012 AFC West Champs stiff arming through the playoffs Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 4,427	That saddens me if true Quinn is horrible, I have no idea what anyone would see in him to give up a high draft pick If true then thank goodness the Browns turned that offer down

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Hercules Rockefeller Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 16,005 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ Williams	This tells me that McD preferred the deal the Browns put on the table for Cutler and then pulled, over the deal they took from Chicago.

11-15-2009, 08:58 AM	#15
Hamrob All-American! All-American! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: DFW Posts: 4,747 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	What we need is a QB who is smart and can manage a game....but who also can push it down field when needed. Kyle Orton won't lose the games we're supposed to win. I give him credit for that. But, he can't help us win the games that we need out QB to make a defense pay for crowding the line. That is a must have in an NFL QB. Can Quinn do that. I don't think so. I think he's just a more flashy Orton.

11-15-2009, 09:01 AM	#18
ColoradoDarin Ring of Famer AFCW Champs! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: St Augustine, FL Posts: 5,521 Adopt-a-Bronco: Knowshon's Shoe	I'd rather just develop Brandstater than trade a 7th for Quinn now.