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Old 11-13-2009, 08:36 AM   #1
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Default What Type of HC will Shannahan be upon his return to the NFL?

Since Shanny's firing from Denver, there hasn't been any indications from Mike that the only way he returns to the NFL is if he's given full control of GM and VP football operations.

I'd say that Shanahan is taking a year off to reflect on his 14 year tenure in Denver and go over what worked and what did not work. Nothing makes you reflect more in life when something you love doing is suddenly taken from you. So who's to say once Mike returns in 10 or 11 that he has a complete new perspective of coaching again.

Perhaps the next stop for Shanny he will want to concentrate mainly on Offense, agree to allow DC to do his job, and as well as trust the GM. All HC's must evolve with change. The trend now is not for HC's to have full control over GM/VP operations and final say. The trend now in the NFL with HC's is trust, buy in, and compromise all for the sake of winning. Egos will need to be left at the door.

Should Shanny go to a team that already has a 3-4 Defense identity established and a DC that knows how to execute the schemes in the 3-4, thats one less hassle Shanny needs to deal with. After all, Mikes not a master mind of defenses, the offense is his expertise.

Now Shanny may want/ask/receive final word and decision with player personnel on the offensive side of the ball, but I think Shanny relinquishes control on the Defensive side of the ball both in terms of scheme and for the most part the players drafted. When it comes to FA Shanny if he's smart will want to share/compromise with the GM how the FA are ultimately signed.

Simply put, HC's in todays NFL having full control of football GM/player responsibility and operations are in the past.
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Old 11-13-2009, 08:40 AM   #2
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I'm more interested in your take on Jay's magnificent performance last night, Rasta.. and how trading him out of Denver set our franchise back for years.
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Mike will stay retired for at least another season.
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He'll be a winner wherever he ends up he's won everywhere else he's been what would give you any indication he wouldn't now.........other than Slowick
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I'm more interested in your take on Jay's magnificent performance last night, Rasta.. and how trading him out of Denver set our franchise back for years.
Sure Hooke.....Jay played like crap no arguement here. As far as the future implications of McDaniels covertly trading Cutler out of Denver its to early to tell. Its going to take 5 years to finally judge the outcome.
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Why would a tiger change his stripes. Mike will come back, put together a great offense, and be totally clueless on defense. And there is no way he is gonna be an OC, where he belongs.
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Since Shanny's firing from Denver, there hasn't been any indications from Mike that the only way he returns to the NFL is if he's given full control of GM and VP football operations.

I'd say that Shanahan is taking a year off to reflect on his 14 year tenure in Denver and go over what worked and what did not work. Nothing makes you reflect more in life when something you love doing is suddenly taken from you. So who's to say once Mike returns in 10 or 11 that he has a complete new perspective of coaching again.

Perhaps the next stop for Shanny he will want to concentrate mainly on Offense, agree to allow DC to do his job, and as well as trust the GM. All HC's must evolve with change. The trend now is not for HC's to have full control over GM/VP operations and final say. The trend now in the NFL with HC's is trust, buy in, and compromise all for the sake of winning. Egos will need to be left at the door.

Should Shanny go to a team that already has a 3-4 Defense identity established and a DC that knows how to execute the schemes in the 3-4, thats one less hassle Shanny needs to deal with. After all, Mikes not a master mind of defenses, the offense is his expertise.

Now Shanny may want/ask/receive final word and decision with player personnel on the offensive side of the ball, but I think Shanny relinquishes control on the Defensive side of the ball both in terms of scheme and for the most part the players drafted. When it comes to FA Shanny if he's smart will want to share/compromise with the GM how the FA are ultimately signed.

Simply put, HC's in todays NFL having full control of football GM/player responsibility and operations are in the past.
I think Josh McDaniels and Pat Bowlen might disagree with you on your last sentence, but that's just me, go figure...
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Hey guys,

Also... in case anyone missed it, Rasta really enjoys Jay Cutler and Mike Shanahan, and detests our current team and players.

Just making sure you guys were 100% clear on that.
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A wise mentor years ago once told me once in jest that most people are eventually promoted to the level of their incompetency. I never forgot that. Something to think about when you wonder why people do what they do..

It would be wise for Mike to come back as a Head Coach. Forget about controlling the universe and just concentrate more on what he does best... the Offense.
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Gee Poppy Fields.....I see the down turn in the economy has really hit you pretty hard! Not only can't you afford your medication you can't afford clothing anymore as well.
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Also... in case anyone missed it, Rasta really enjoys Jay Cutler and Mike Shanahan, and detests our current team and players.

Just making sure you guys were 100% clear on that.
Whats wrong Mr. Brown Shirt still depending upon "Group Think" to justify your stupidity. You are truly the reigning frail insecure little man on the OM. You get the most mileage out of hate than anyone on the Mane.
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Why would a tiger change his stripes. Mike will come back, put together a great offense, and be totally clueless on defense. And there is no way he is gonna be an OC, where he belongs.
First of all, he has had good defenses during several seasons. I hope he is successful as all hell. I will always appreciate and respect what he did for the broncos. I can't imagine how any true fan could feel differently.
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Old 11-13-2009, 09:30 AM   #14
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A wise mentor years ago once told me once in jest that most people are eventually promoted to the level of their incompetency. I never forgot that. Something to think about when you wonder why people do what they do..

It would be wise for Mike to come back as a Head Coach. Forget about controlling the universe and just concentrate more on what he does best... the Offense.
It's called The Peter Principle.
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First of all, he has had good defenses during several seasons. I hope he is successful as all hell. I will always appreciate and respect what he did for the broncos. I can't imagine how any true fan could feel differently.
Rep! Many of these instant win now gratification fans fail to realize the significance of Shanahan winning two consecutive SB's while in Denver. Especially after the Broncos franchise and its fans had endured and suffered thru 4 SB loses previously. Many of these weren't even born or old enough to understand the significance of losing 4 SB's.....so go figure.

In fact Shanny having won 2 consecutive SB's has created the Ravenous--What Have You Done For Me Lately fan base we see today.

Yep Shanny created a monster by winning 2 SB's and he tried to keep the Ravenous Appetite of these fans fed.....and found out that it was impossible. Oh well McDaniel's is living in Shanny's shadow until he can deliver a couple of SB appearances and victories as well.
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Are you guys paying attention to Rasta yet?


He needs attention.


C'mon.
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Wait.......what? Last time I checked, he's only been a head coach in two places and he had a losing record in one of them.
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Mike's gonna be great where ever he goes. He'll put his system in place. While not smashmouth, it's more than effective and almost always guaranteed to be a top 10 unit, especially in rushing. He'll make an average line a very good one, and the QB's are usually the beneficiary because they'll have a great play action passing game to work off of.

As for the defense, the fact that GTown says Mike's garbage with this is a joke. Many years Mike's teams have featured top 10 ranked units and normally they've been great against the run. My only hope is he doesn't bring Slowik with him, at least not as DC.

As for the GM part of the equation... I have a feeling that as long as Shanahan is in the front office with somebody who will listen to him on what he needs to succeed, he'll be fine. He's been there, done that, if you will and I don't think he needs to the recognition of being a GM and a HC.

I think he'll go to Chicago.
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He needs attention.


C'mon.
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Wait.......what? Last time I checked, he's only been a head coach in two places and he had a losing record in one of them.
I didn't say Head coach persay
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Are you guys paying attention to Rasta yet?


He needs attention.


C'mon.
You are giving him attention and you are the biggest attention whore of them all. You do this all day every day. Your life must suck because you always seem all pissy from what random people say on the internet. What a sad old man.

As for Shanny, he will get offered jobs with more than normal power. I doubt he is just the head coach. Also, we had some good defenses here when we had good coordinators. He also went out and talked to some good defensive teams this offseason. If he finds the right DC, he will be very good. If he doesn't get a good coordinator, he will probably be the same as he was here the last few years. His success is all going to depend on who is running the D. I doubt anyone will ever question his ability to make a productive offense.
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Mike's gonna be great where ever he goes. He'll put his system in place. While not smashmouth, it's more than effective and almost always guaranteed to be a top 10 unit, especially in rushing. He'll make an average line a very good one, and the QB's are usually the beneficiary because they'll have a great play action passing game to work off of.

As for the defense, the fact that GTown says Mike's garbage with this is a joke. Many years Mike's teams have featured top 10 ranked units and normally they've been great against the run. My only hope is he doesn't bring Slowik with him, at least not as DC.

As for the GM part of the equation... I have a feeling that as long as Shanahan is in the front office with somebody who will listen to him on what he needs to succeed, he'll be fine. He's been there, done that, if you will and I don't think he needs to the recognition of being a GM and a HC.

I think he'll go to Chicago.
I hope he goes to Chicago as well. Shanny and Jay will need each other just like Elway and Shanny needed each other.

Shanahan new over the last 3 years he didn't get the job done in Denver and he even admitted to it at his press conference firing. No big deal. He's already moved on. I like the fact he and Bowlen are still friends and they both appreciate each other. What more can you ask for.
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If Shanahan can control his ego and mastermind the offense only and hire a quality defensive coach and a GM to handle the draft, he will be a success.... I hope it's with an NFC team.
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I think Shanahan will do well. Saying is he is going to be great is asinine. You don't know were he will end up and what Shanny will show up, the Mastermind or Egomind....

I think he peaked as a coach though.
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He needs attention.


C'mon.
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