Why does Cutler get so many excuses for his INT's? - The Orange Mane

The MVPlaya · 11-12-2009, 11:41 PM

I'm reading around on Bears forums, on TV, etc...WTF is up with the excuses? I don't think any other QB got that type of luxury of INTs not being his fault.

Some people say 3 ints were not his fault? Really? What kind of expectations do you put on a QB when you can't even hold him accountable?

Int 1 - His fault

Int 2 - This is the ONLY one where there is a legitimate argument.

Int 3 - His fault - he threw it - he didn't have to. Just like Orton's INT TD... it's not Orton's fault! The NT and REF blocked his route! Please.

Int 4 - No PI, the defender made a great play on the ball... there is NO PI when you're going for the ball like that. Int is Cutler's fault, he threw the damn ball.

Int 5 - Nuff said.

DenverBound · 11-12-2009, 11:48 PM

They're all brainwashed.

Williams · 11-12-2009, 11:53 PM

Bear fans want to believe they have a franchise QB, so they rationalize.

I'd just like to add... Cutler threw more picks tonight than Orton has thrown all season.

Crushaholic · 11-13-2009, 12:03 AM

But...But...Devin Hester FELL DOWN!

BroncoMan4ever · 11-13-2009, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Williams

Bear fans want to believe they have a franchise QB, so they rationalize.

I'd just like to add... Cutler threw more picks tonight than Orton has thrown all season.

yet many who post here will still b**** and moan about how much better we would have been with Cutler still here and Orton in Chicago.

also, you can't really fault Bears fans, almost all of us did the same thing for the guy when he played here, rationalizing because of the potential he possessed

Popps · 11-13-2009, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever

yet many who post here will still b**** and moan about how much better we would have been with Cutler still here and Orton in Chicago.

also, you can't really fault Bears fans, almost all of us did the same thing for the guy when he played here, rationalizing because of the potential he possessed

Well, they were wrong... they were told they were wrong, and now they're an endangered species around here.

Cutler's s#it play is excused because he has a strong arm... and because he was lucky enough to be drafted into a Mike Shanahan system, which allowed him to put up some yardage and look a lot better than he really is. (As you can tell by his results in another system.)

Had Cutler been drafted by the Lions... he'd be riding the bench and Culpepper would be starting over him.

But, people are entranced by that "rocket" arm, and even those that should know better... make silly excuses for him.

Good lord, the guy's mechanics are awful. I've been talking about that since his rookie season.

BroncoMan4ever · 11-13-2009, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Popps

Well, they were wrong... they were told they were wrong, and now they're an endangered species around here.

Cutler's s#it play is excused because he has a strong arm... and because he was lucky enough to be drafted into a Mike Shanahan system, which allowed him to put up some yardage and look a lot better than he really is. (As you can tell by his results in another system.)

Had Cutler been drafted by the Lions... he'd be riding the bench and Culpepper would be starting over him.

But, people are entranced by that "rocket" arm, and even those that should know better... make silly excuses for him.

Good lord, the guy's mechanics are awful. I've been talking about that since his rookie season.

worst thing about Cutler is he seems to be basically uncoachable. since he came in as a rookie, he is still making the same stupid mistakes. he never learns from his mistakes. he hasn't matured at all.

sirhcyennek81 · 11-13-2009, 12:28 AM

I used to think Cutler would have done well here if he stayed with McDaniels...but its easier now to look at the guy and see the very obvious flaws in his game. The dude just does not react well to pressure. Its awesome he had 307 yards passing...his team put up 6 points. Aside from the 5 picks, he had at least 3 more that could have been picked, and his mechanics are ridiculously horrid.

The excuse from Chicago is he needs better weapons, in Denver he had a probowl year...but he did the same things here. He still led the NFL in redzone picks, he folded in primetime or big time games and his mechanics were poor. Of course they were not as bad as they are in Chicago, but how many times can a fool throw off his backfoot?

So it boils down to this...Jay is a franchise QB who needs every facet of the team to be SB caliber or he doesnt win...and how the ****nuts is that a franchise QB?

Play2win · 11-13-2009, 12:34 AM

5 picks are you serious?!?

Jay Cutler's 5 picks = #5 pick in the draft next year (OURS!!!)

Atwater His Ass · 11-13-2009, 12:44 AM

The fact that you guys keep making these threads is hilarious.

Popps · 11-13-2009, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Atwater His Ass

The fact that you guys keep making these threads is hilarious.

I know, it's hysterical.

UberBroncoMan · 11-13-2009, 01:00 AM

It's just typical Chicago mass media brainwashing.

They want to rationalize that everything they gave up for Cutler (their future) was worth it.

The only for reason this move was to excite the fan base. ZOMG a franchise QB! We finally have one!... and the tears start flowing. You'd have to be an idiot GM to address QB now and forfeit so much in the future with so many other glaring needs. They needed a game manager during this time, not a gunslinger. Stupidity abounds in their front office.

Fans etc need to lie to themselves to feel better. Cutler ignoring Bowlen is looking like the stupidest thing he could have done for his career.

hambone13 · 11-13-2009, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by UberBroncoMan

It's just typical Chicago mass media brainwashing.

They want to rationalize that everything they gave up for Cutler (their future) was worth it.

The only for reason this move was to excite the fan base. ZOMG a franchise QB! We finally have one!... and the tears start flowing. You'd have to be an idiot GM to address QB now and forfeit so much in the future with so many other glaring needs. They needed a game manager during this time, not a gunslinger. Stupidity abounds in their front office.

Fans etc need to lie to themselves to feel better. Cutler ignoring Bowlen is looking like the stupidest thing he could have done for his career.

Jeez...like every team doesn't do similar things. Get over it. The real fans of Chicago know as well as any of us...he's not going to do well unsupported.

Hulamau · 11-13-2009, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever

worst thing about Cutler is he seems to be basically uncoachable. since he came in as a rookie, he is still making the same stupid mistakes. he never learns from his mistakes. he hasn't matured at all.

This is his downfall and I suspect Josh caught wind of that early after arriving here, making the trade for Cassel when it popped on his desk, plus getting a handful of fresh high picks look like pretty tempting icing on the cake.

As I said last spring, Cutler blew the one big chance of a lifetime to really turn it around and likely become that true stud QB everyone dreamed he could be. BUT ONLY, if he had the smarts and maturity to buckle down, drop his arrogant narcissist rap, and submit himself to being taught how to be a winner by McD ... He didn't!

No way he was going to play ball with McD and really listen to him as a 33yrd old coach. He is 'Gods Gift to Football' for cryin' out loud!

I suspect Cassel would have done pretty well in this offense with us after having all that time with Josh.

The funny think is Jay can go out and throw 5 TDs next week and it doesn't change a thing. He is what he is ... a tantalizing heartbreaker and coach killer.

UberBroncoMan · 11-13-2009, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by hambone13

Jeez...like every team doesn't do similar things. Get over it. The real fans of Chicago know as well as any of us...he's not going to do well unsupported.

You should know that supporting bad habbits and pathetic play only breeds failure. Would you tell your own kid how great he is 24/7 and then continue to watch him fail, only to make constant excuses for why it keeps happening over and over and over.

It's stupid. Face reality. If fans can't do that then they aren't fans, they're brainless idiots. Knowing that you have heat on you; facing the reality that you're a part of the problem and you need to fix what you've been doing can go a long way... provided you have the humility to bear it.

hambone13 · 11-13-2009, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by UberBroncoMan

You should know that supporting bad habbits and pathetic play only breeds failure. Would you tell your own kid how great he is 24/7 and then continue to watch him fail, only to make constant excuses for why it keeps happening over and over and over.

It's stupid. Face reality. If fans can't do that then they aren't fans, they're brainless idiots. Knowing that you have heat on you; facing the reality that you're a part of the problem and you need to fix what you've been doing can go a long way... provided you have the humility to bear it.

I think JC has shown improvement this year w/ his humility and team awareness. I'm not even remotely saying he's the new general of a squad but he's better than he was here in Denver. Chicago has a long way to go before they're in positioned to exploit his talents. Ron Turner is an offensive retard who knows how to manage games not work on getting a talented QB in sync w/ his offense. I won't go far as to say JC has been a stud but neither has the supporting cast.

All other points aside, I wish he wanted more to play here....McD would have been good for him.

UberBroncoMan · 11-13-2009, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by hambone13

I think JC has shown improvement this year w/ his humility and team awareness. I'm not even remotely saying he's the new general of a squad but he's better than he was here in Denver. Chicago has a long way to go before they're in positioned to exploit his talents. Ron Turner is an offensive retard who knows how to manage games not work on getting a talented QB in sync w/ his offense. I won't go far as to say JC has been a stud but neither has the supporting cast.

All other points aside, I wish he wanted more to play here....McD would have been good for him.

Oh I'm sure if Cutler buckled down and really got immersed in the offense and let the coaches work with him we'd be in a far better situation offensively. He has a skills et that Orton will never have - mobility and a big arm. Two things that drive defenses crazy and open up an offense to its full potential.

Buuut... he had to get all b****y and cry his way out. I understood being pissed at McDaniels and I hated how McDaniels handled it. But you don't ever ****ing ignore the owner of a team. Cutler deserves to crash and burn for his immaturity. If he gave a damn about success he would have stayed here with a line that would have protected him, a receiving core that's top notch, and solid runners to go with a defense that would have been protecting leads now rather than waiting for the offense to make a miracle comeback every week vs good teams..

boltaneer · 11-13-2009, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by hambone13

I think JC has shown improvement this year w/ his humility and team awareness. I'm not even remotely saying he's the new general of a squad but he's better than he was here in Denver. Chicago has a long way to go before they're in positioned to exploit his talents. Ron Turner is an offensive retard who knows how to manage games not work on getting a talented QB in sync w/ his offense. I won't go far as to say JC has been a stud but neither has the supporting cast.

I'm usually one of the loudest when the Cutler bashing starts because I don't like the guy and I've thought he was way overrated from day one but these are good points.

Ron Turner hasn't been impressive as OC at all. Norv got all the football smarts in that family.

And outside of Olsen, Chicago's receivers are garbage. Hester has no business being a starting WR. He should be a full time returner and in a Reggie Bush type of role. Bennett is a below average WR and Knox has a lot of potential but he's still way too raw. Aromashodu? Rasheed Davis? What a sorry WRs corps.

There seems to be a lot of communication problems and Cutler and his receivers just never seem to be in sync. Blame it on him or blame it on the WRs. I think there's blame to be shared between the both of them and their OC's play calling as well.

Having said that, he still makes horrible decisions at the worst times. The guy just can't seem to learn that throwing the ball away is one of the best things a QB can do. People can blame the WRs for some of his interceptions this year (and they have a valid point) but he just makes too many boneheaded plays that hurts his team.

meangene · 11-13-2009, 03:37 AM

The problem with Cutler is he does nothing to improve his game. He makes the same mistakes year after year. He has the mentality that he is so talented that he can just go out there and sling the ball around. He needs to want to get better which means work - studying film, working with his teammates in the offseason, getting in better shape, etc. Basically, he is a lazy ass who always got by because of his talent and star treatment. There are so many excuses for his interceptions because all the experts who blasted the Broncos for trading him don't want to admit they were wrong. Until Jay changes his attitude, he will always be just what he is. A talented hit or miss quarterback who will never be a consistent winner.

BigBad · 11-13-2009, 03:57 AM

Us Charger fans were telling you these things last year.......

!

azbroncfan · 11-13-2009, 04:17 AM

We used to make excuses for him here.

bloodsunday · 11-13-2009, 05:07 AM

because all the NFL a-holes anointed him a franchise QB and have to save face

GoBroncos DownUnder · 11-13-2009, 05:13 AM

Cutlers picks are separated and categorized according to blame, ... but when Jake Delhomme throws 4 picks everyone screams how badly he sucks!
I don't really understand it either!?

Maybe a lot of commentators are trying to salvage their pride after predicting great things for the, NEW Jay Cutler lead, Chicago Bears!?

Broncomutt · 11-13-2009, 06:12 AM

Jay Cutler is 13-0 when the defense holds the opponent under 21 points.

SouthStndJunkie · 11-13-2009, 06:14 AM

Why is Cutler the main topic of 17 out of the 25 threads on the first page of the forum?

11-12-2009, 11:41 PM	#1
The MVPlaya Denver Broncos out with the old, IN WITH THE NEW Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 5,384	Why does Cutler get so many excuses for his INT's? I'm reading around on Bears forums, on TV, etc...WTF is up with the excuses? I don't think any other QB got that type of luxury of INTs not being his fault. Some people say 3 ints were not his fault? Really? What kind of expectations do you put on a QB when you can't even hold him accountable? Int 1 - His fault Int 2 - This is the ONLY one where there is a legitimate argument. Int 3 - His fault - he threw it - he didn't have to. Just like Orton's INT TD... it's not Orton's fault! The NT and REF blocked his route! Please. Int 4 - No PI, the defender made a great play on the ball... there is NO PI when you're going for the ball like that. Int is Cutler's fault, he threw the damn ball. Int 5 - Nuff said.

11-13-2009, 03:57 AM	#20
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11-12-2009, 11:48 PM	#2
DenverBound Seasoned Veteran New to the Forum Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 421 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	They're all brainwashed.

11-12-2009, 11:53 PM	#3
Williams Pro Bowler Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 665	Bear fans want to believe they have a franchise QB, so they rationalize. I'd just like to add... Cutler threw more picks tonight than Orton has thrown all season.

11-13-2009, 12:03 AM	#4
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,043	But...But...Devin Hester FELL DOWN!

11-13-2009, 12:28 AM	#8
sirhcyennek81 Yes...swooping is bad... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florence, Colorado Posts: 20,674 Adopt-a-Bronco: All of them.	I used to think Cutler would have done well here if he stayed with McDaniels...but its easier now to look at the guy and see the very obvious flaws in his game. The dude just does not react well to pressure. Its awesome he had 307 yards passing...his team put up 6 points. Aside from the 5 picks, he had at least 3 more that could have been picked, and his mechanics are ridiculously horrid. The excuse from Chicago is he needs better weapons, in Denver he had a probowl year...but he did the same things here. He still led the NFL in redzone picks, he folded in primetime or big time games and his mechanics were poor. Of course they were not as bad as they are in Chicago, but how many times can a fool throw off his backfoot? So it boils down to this...Jay is a franchise QB who needs every facet of the team to be SB caliber or he doesnt win...and how the ****nuts is that a franchise QB?

11-13-2009, 12:34 AM	#9
Play2win Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 9,610 Adopt-a-Bronco: The Duke	5 picks are you serious?!? Jay Cutler's 5 picks = #5 pick in the draft next year (OURS!!!)

11-13-2009, 12:44 AM	#10
Atwater His Ass Ring of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,362 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	The fact that you guys keep making these threads is hilarious.

11-13-2009, 01:00 AM	#12
UberBroncoMan Your Local Nostradamus ** you injuries, this ** Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,527 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ghost of Hillis	It's just typical Chicago mass media brainwashing. They want to rationalize that everything they gave up for Cutler (their future) was worth it. The only for reason this move was to excite the fan base. ZOMG a franchise QB! We finally have one!... and the tears start flowing. You'd have to be an idiot GM to address QB now and forfeit so much in the future with so many other glaring needs. They needed a game manager during this time, not a gunslinger. Stupidity abounds in their front office. Fans etc need to lie to themselves to feel better. Cutler ignoring Bowlen is looking like the stupidest thing he could have done for his career.

11-13-2009, 03:37 AM	#19
meangene Ring of Famer Offseason Mode Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,075	The problem with Cutler is he does nothing to improve his game. He makes the same mistakes year after year. He has the mentality that he is so talented that he can just go out there and sling the ball around. He needs to want to get better which means work - studying film, working with his teammates in the offseason, getting in better shape, etc. Basically, he is a lazy ass who always got by because of his talent and star treatment. There are so many excuses for his interceptions because all the experts who blasted the Broncos for trading him don't want to admit they were wrong. Until Jay changes his attitude, he will always be just what he is. A talented hit or miss quarterback who will never be a consistent winner.

11-13-2009, 04:17 AM	#21
azbroncfan Ring of Famer Angry guntoting,meateating AMERICAN Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Scottsdale Posts: 8,669 Adopt-a-Bronco: TEBOW	We used to make excuses for him here.

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bloodsunday Ring of Famer Nothing lasts forever. Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Dove Valley Posts: 5,839 Adopt-a-Bronco: Spencer Larsen	because all the NFL a-holes anointed him a franchise QB and have to save face

11-13-2009, 05:13 AM	#23
GoBroncos DownUnder Perennial Pro-bowler Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Ex-Australia - now in Da 'Boig! Posts: 884 Adopt-a-Bronco: AJ Smith!	Cutlers picks are separated and categorized according to blame, ... but when Jake Delhomme throws 4 picks everyone screams how badly he sucks! I don't really understand it either!? Maybe a lot of commentators are trying to salvage their pride after predicting great things for the, NEW Jay Cutler lead, Chicago Bears!?

11-13-2009, 06:12 AM	#24
Broncomutt Truth is.... Goliath never stood a chance. Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Waxhaw, NC Posts: 1,092	Jay Cutler is 13-0 when the defense holds the opponent under 21 points.

11-13-2009, 06:14 AM	#25
SouthStndJunkie Ring of Famer Shannon Says: Listen to The Junkman Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 15,258	Why is Cutler the main topic of 17 out of the 25 threads on the first page of the forum?